The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[Harleybarbie]

I mixed a Strawberry and Creme TPA with Kiwi TPA and it was a bit harsh, left it for a month... Still harsh... Added lemon and lime concentrate... Still harsh...
Hmmmm

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

O.k next question Bill . I have read so much stuff and I do try to keep in mind about what you said about lot of bad info out there however , I keep reading people saying not to use sweetener because you will lose flavor over time so do you find this to be true? Or perhaps they are talking about EM and not sucralose .

Not only have I not found this to be true, but I have found that my juice gets sweeter over time, developing a richer, thicker, syrup quality. I can see where it might happen. Heat your juices to "rapid steep" them. You're going to lose something. Chemistry 101. Heat causes chemical reactions, and what? you think it will only cause rapid steeping, and not a loss of flavor or nicotine strength. There are so many variables, who knows what people are doing, and I could get really technical and talk about mass reduction, because we're not in a closed system, etc., but it's juice, and we're not rocket surgeons, are we?

I use reagent bottles that are air-tight. I'm don't expose juice to light or heat. Why (and how) would the flavor change over time and become less flavorful? No, this has not been my experience. Must be some unknown variable, if it's happening at all.

 

[mattiem]

Not much, it's a flavor that's just good on it's own and a real switch from everything else.
Don't want everything to taste the same.
I have thought about throwing in the soft background taste of a fruit, like raspberry or cranberry, but haven't tried it yet.

My favorite fruit is pear. I have mixed it as the dominant fruit flavor in a couple of my fruit mixes. I have also mixed it with Bavarian Cream (very good). I now need to try it in my Bavarian Cream/Hazelnut mix. I am thinking it will go from very good to great. Thank you for the idea.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

My favorite fruit is pear. I have mixed it as the dominant fruit flavor in a couple of my fruit mixes. I have also mixed it with Bavarian Cream (very good). I now need to try it in my Bavarian Cream/Hazelnut mix. I am thinking it will go from very good to great. Thank you for the idea.

Pear is great! I have a mix with peaches and pears (and without creams and vanillas):

Peaches and Pears:

Pear - 5%
Juicy Peach - 5%
Cotton Candy - 5%
Brown Sugar - 5%

Ran across this flavor at a B&M and ran home to make this. Not an ADV, but a refreshing interlude during the day, and something to do with my Pear, lol! Could easily and the cream/vanilla thing to it to make a Danish or custard, a cream, or even a pie. Pretty good, I think.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Thought I would throw out this recipe.

Butter Pecan Toffee:

Toffee - 5%
Pecan - 4%
Butterscotch - 3%
Butter - 3%
Sweetener - 4%
Sweet Cream - 1%

Sweeten and flavor to taste. Maybe not an ADV, but a nice change to desserts. Ciao!

 

[Borescoped]

I still say your old peach and pear is dang good Bill.

Peach 10%
Pear 10%

I do that, but at 8% each as my ADV.


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[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I still say your old peach and pear is dang good Bill.

Peach 10%
Pear 10%

I do that, but at 8% each as my ADV.


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Thank you, my friend. Yeah, it's a good combination of fruits for sure. This is why we have to flavor to taste. Even our own recipes change often from time to time as we explore different nuances even with the same ingredient mix, sometimes just because of mood change, lol. Different takes on the same stuff, the spice of life....

 

[tdtyler]

Pear is great! I have a mix with peaches and pears (and without creams and vanillas):

Peaches and Pears:

Pear - 5%
Juicy Peach - 5%
Cotton Candy - 5%
Brown Sugar - 5%

Ran across this flavor at a B&M and ran home to make this. Not an ADV, but a refreshing interlude during the day, and something to do with my Pear, lol! Could easily and the cream/vanilla thing to it to make a Danish or custard, a cream, or even a pie. Pretty good, I think.

What percentage would you use if all you had was Brown Sugar Extra? I'm thinking .5 to 1%?

My daughter in law loves Pear. I'm going to make this for her.

Thanks, Bill!

 

[tdtyler]

Thought I would throw out this recipe.

Butter Pecan Toffee:

Toffee - 5%
Pecan - 4%
Butterscotch - 3%
Butter - 3%
Sweetener - 4%
Sweet Cream - 1%

Sweeten and flavor to taste. Maybe not an ADV, but a nice change to desserts. Ciao!

Ack!!!!

I don't have Toffee, Pecan is in my cart, no Butter Scotch or Butter.... Back to the store!

Love it. Thanks, Bill.

Tim

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

What percentage would you use if all you had was Brown Sugar Extra? I'm thinking .5 to 1%?

My daughter in law loves Pear. I'm going to make this for her.

Thanks, Bill!

I would probably start at 2%.

 

[mattiem]

Thought I would throw out this recipe.

Butter Pecan Toffee:

Toffee - 5%
Pecan - 4%
Butterscotch - 3%
Butter - 3%
Sweetener - 4%
Sweet Cream - 1%

Sweeten and flavor to taste. Maybe not an ADV, but a nice change to desserts. Ciao!

This sounds very good. Thank you Bill. I have everything but the Toffee. I ordered English Toffee. Is there a taste difference between English Toffee and just Toffee?

 

[Slots]

My point about making juice is that good juice is good immediately
It may improve and become great over time, but bad juice, initially, never becomes great in my experience.

Because the initial flavoring must be good at inception, imho, I always encourage members to test their juice immediately out of the beaker.
I don't want to take a month to make a new vapeable juice.
When it's good right off the bat, you may have a great juice, but only time will tell.
Bad juices never become great, no matter how much time we waste waiting for it to stop tasting bad.
That being said, I know of no juice that won't benefit from time (steeping and aging), perhaps a week, to improve, and reach maturity:

Gotta love Rip...he gets a little carried away, but it sells I guess.
He's totally laid back and quiet in real life ... I guess the camera brings out his alter-ego
Anyway, I totally agree with you.

I'm not into "dripping" much, so when I whip up some juice, it just goes to the back of the line, and is automatically a month old before I get to it.
Then if it's bad, it goes right down the drain, recipe receives comments, and it's on to the next bottle in line.
Right ..chemist's we're not, but I thought it was interesting

On the sucralose, I use it in the kitchen all the time.
It get baked, microwaved, and boiled, so heating it doesn't alter it, and I use it in my juices too.
Also make sugar-free ice cream with it .. that's also where (along with muffins etc) I use up some of the flavors that weren't up to par

Great sounding recipes, thanks ..going to try the Pear

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

This sounds very good. Thank you Bill. I have everything but the Toffee. I ordered English Toffee. Is there a taste difference between English Toffee and just Toffee?

Nope, not in this context.

 

[mattiem]

Nope, not in this context.

Fantastic. Thank you. I got my shipping notice from WL for my order of 18 new to me flavorings. They should be here by Friday. I'm gonna have a lot of fun this weekend

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

My Taifun Eye came today:



24 watts, .7 ohms, 23mm. Lovin' it!

And yes, Ginger, my Corgi had chicken nuggets for lunch...

 

[Borescoped]

My Taifun Eye came today:

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24 watts, .7 ohms, 23mm. Lovin' it!

That's great Bill, but can you tell me what's in the American McDonalds bag? I haven't had right and proper Mickey D's in 5 years LOL.

I'm just messing with ya. New PV looks great!


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[Bill's Magic Vapor]

That's great Bill, but can you tell me what's in the American McDonalds bag? I haven't had right and proper Mickey D's in 5 years LOL.

I'm just messing with ya. New PV looks great!


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Two birds with one stone. I was on the MickeyD blog and blogged about my double quarter pounder with cheese....a delicious lunch in an otherwise busy day!

 

[Borescoped]

Two birds with one stone. I was on the MickeyD blog and blogged about my double quarter pounder with cheese....a delicious lunch in an otherwise busy day!

Only one thing better than a DQP w/ cheese, and that's a DQP w/ cheese and EXTRA cheese.


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[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Only one thing better than a DQP w/ cheese, and that's a DQP w/ cheese and EXTRA cheese.


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How are the bottom feeders, my friend?

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Gotta love Rip...he gets a little carried away, but it sells I guess.
He's totally laid back and quiet in real life ... I guess the camera brings out his alter-ego
Anyway, I totally agree with you.

I'm not into "dripping" much, so when I whip up some juice, it just goes to the back of the line, and is automatically a month old before I get to it.
Then if it's bad, it goes right down the drain, recipe receives comments, and it's on to the next bottle in line.
Right ..chemist's we're not, but I thought it was interesting

On the sucralose, I use it in the kitchen all the time.
It get baked, microwaved, and boiled, so heating it doesn't alter it, and I use it in my juices too.
Also make sugar-free ice cream with it .. that's also where (along with muffins etc) I use up some of the flavors that weren't up to par

Great sounding recipes, thanks ..going to try the Pear

Great, great information. Thank you for sharing this! I'm not really into the theory of Juice, but, more the reality of our experiences. I've adopted this after hearing so many different, and erroneous pieces of information on juice making, etc. Having you provide your actual experiences is just invaluable to me and others. Many thanks!