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I've had mine a long time in my canning supplies. I can hundreds of jars of fruit, veggies and meat most years. (I have a big garden every year)
They sell canning supplies everywhere- walmart, grocery stores, dollar stores (Fred's, Family Dollar, etc.) BUT, canning season is almost over, so it gets harder to find stuff.
Off Topic: Here's some cinnamon pears I did a few weeks ago...
Oh... We've got to talk Debi lolI've had mine a long time in my canning supplies. I can hundreds of jars of fruit, veggies and meat most years. (I have a big garden every year)
They sell canning supplies everywhere- walmart, grocery stores, dollar stores (Fred's, Family Dollar, etc.) BUT, canning season is almost over, so it gets harder to find stuff.
Off Topic: Here's some cinnamon pears I did a few weeks ago... View attachment 375958
Speaking of steep time... As previously mentioned I made your Pink Starburst and felt the sweet tart was a little over powering on the fresh mix. This was my first time using Sweet tart and a cream together in a mix. The next day the juice was completely different with the Sweet tart not bright or over powering but only slightly noticeable. To me the mix is like a semi tart strawberry cream type now. I played around with what I was making before and your sweet tart variation and so far I'm here... I don't usually use strictly TFA in a mix but this IS all TFA
Strawberry 8%
Watermelon 4%
Vanilla Swirl 4%
Sweet Cream 4%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 2% (love the richness it brings but can be left out for a lighter feel and more resemble Bill's original mix)
Sweet and Tart 2%
Marshmallow 1%
EM 1%
Sour .33%
1 drop Smooth per 10ml
Let me know what ya think.
I've a tasty Cinnamon Pear. And frankly I love the creme flavors more than anything-but THIS one is my most favorite of the non-cremes I think.
Pear 15%
Cinnamon 4-6% (a friend who made this made it both ways, and both percentages were equally tasty)
Sweetener 2%
That's what she used. I added a small amount of stevia that I mix up from powder (Its Whole Foods brand powder mixed with DW and VG). But that's because I have a massive sweet tooth
Its VERY watered down, but yes. Its STV (say the "experts"-its no different than vaping sucralose)
If you say so....when I put it in my coffee it has an after taste, I only use it because aspartame causes cancer
If you say so....when I put it in my coffee it has an after taste, I only use it because aspartame causes cancer
Wow, it leaves a taste? I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread for my tea when I found it lol I couldn't stand the gross feeling in my mouth that Splenda gave me. I hate when we run out of the stuff. That's why I bought the powder. Its straight Stevia, no fillers, no nada. I've used it in a few juices too. There is a definite taste diff between the two....
I've a tasty Cinnamon Pear. And frankly I love the creme flavors more than anything-but THIS one is my most favorite of the non-cremes I think.
Pear 15%
Cinnamon 4-6% (a friend who made this made it both ways, and both percentages were equally tasty)
Sweetener 2%
That's what she used. I added a small amount of stevia that I mix up from powder (Its Whole Foods brand powder mixed with DW and VG). But that's because I have a massive sweet tooth
I know this is a TFA thread but if you haven't had the Inawera Pear you must try it. Unbelievably delicious!
How does Cinnamon compare to Cinnamon Spice?
Wow! Taking this kinda personal, Tepid? Remember, I never addressed my views, my opinions to you, for the record...as you say.
Ok Tepid. Let's just say you're right, ftm. Your juice tastes bad day one and you have to steep it, then it tastes good....wonderful. Fine. I used to believe this too. I was just as bamboozled by misinformation as everyone else, and it set my juice making back six months. It was not good advise for me....and I think a lot of people give up on DIY before they ever get started because of this non-sense. I am here to de-mystify the process, so new juice makers can get on with making good juice, not continue this veil of secrecy. I once drank the kool-aid too.
By the way, feel free to quote me, but please don't twist my words. You keep doing this and it's annoying. Quote me, then attack. That's fair, right?
By the way, we're not trying to ferment anything or achieve a chemical change in our flavoring you know. This is NOT chemistry 101. We're mixing flavorings. Who would buy a smoothie that took two months to drink? We are NOT trying to make wine, beer or alcohol here, either, which very much is a chemical change, a flavor change, and the creation of alcohol change....a very different process, indeed. We're simply mixing flavors. This is the cake batter, so to speak, far easier than baking a cake.
Yes flavor bonding is not instantaneous. It takes hours, not weeks, hours. Most people don't use air tight bottles, and caps are not air tight. Over time, flavor will dissipate and so will nicotine. That's how bad changes to good, the offending flavors dissipate, versus the alternative, i.e., just make it good from day one. I now use air tight reagent bottles, so my juice does not change substantially over time, nor do I want it to. If yours is changing, then perhaps try some air tight containers. These are pretty good:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FRFLS6/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Not only do I not want a chemical reaction with oxygen, I want my juice to flavor bond, and then freeze, and I don't want it to ferment in the presence of yeast, as you are suggesting when you compare it to wine and beer. I don't need it to steep over weeks, nor does it need it. Juice does improve slightly with age. Age and steeping are not the same. If the flavoring has to chemically change in the presence of oxygen (how you're defining steeping, as I understand it), to taste good, I believe that's a bad batch.
I will grant you that aged juice does taste better to me than new juice day one. But new juice day one has not fully formed flavor bonds. Does this take weeks? Not for me. Is juice better a month later. I would have to say sometimes it is a little better. Not every time and not by much, but yes. Aging does this to some juices. I know a few of the national well-known juice makers. Everyone knows their juice. Several of them have explained the requirement for bonding, not steeping over a long time, and over time, I was able to confirm the hypothesis that long steep times to make good juice is unnecessary as we're not trying to achieve a chemical change, only a flavor bond, requiring hours. I appreciated that advise, and my juice has improved as a result of it. In some cases, I had to reformulate recipes to make them taste right on day one. It was a big epiphany for me about 18 months ago.
I know your experience is different. All I can say is God Bless, my friend. I wish you well. You lurk here and try and find things you disagree with, and then pounce. Good for you. I come here, share with others and try and help them, give away what most juice makers carefully guard as trade secrets. Honestly, I expected more flack. If it truly took 8 weeks to make a juice, how could any layman/hobbyist do it? Mix....wait 8 weeks....taste test...miss. New mix....8 weeks...taste test....miss. I describe an 800 drop process which would take 16 months to make a single juice on your two month steeping time time schedule. My juice is great in 30 minutes....yet, "I'm wrong." Yours takes two months, and "You're right?" Really? Seriously?
Why don't you post your best recipes here, so we can all learn from your experience. If you truly have something worth sharing and valuable, and I'm sure you do, I would appreciate hearing about it. We can just agree to disagree...be civil and polite. I won't bring it up again, you can think I'm wrong, and that's fine...I'm a big boy, and life will just go on. You in? I'm serious. We'll be friends who disagree about an item that doesn't really matter, and we'll both respect one another and try and help others. You in? Your call....I'll be wrong, ok?
Edit: By the way, Tepid, please don't take my belief about a particular method to be a personal attack on you, because it wasn't, my friend.....
You are all class, Bill. Thank you for all of your help and guidance.
Dave
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If you say so....when I put it in my coffee it has an after taste, I only use it because aspartame causes cancer
I've found the higher % purity the lesser the aftertaste.
I've not had cinnamon spice ECV! I'll see if my friend has any and if not, I'll grab some on the next go around!!!
I'm ALWAYS looking for a challenge, and cannot wait to expand my knowledge!!
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Actually no, I don't.
I have no problem with being friends and disagreeing, I am not taking anything personal,, I said I didn't want to start a flame war.
But I am going to tell people they are wrong when it really is clear that they are.
And I can admit where I am wrong when I do get things wrong, but on this, I know for fact that I am not.
The claim I take issue with most is, juice that needs to Age is bad from day one is about as arrogant as you can get.
And your wrong.
That's not an attack, it's a statement of reasoned knowledge.
But it's clear we both believe the same things about our own advice.
But, telling people aged juice is not acknowledging a bad batch from day one, doesn't do any kind of service.
Especially, when people are trying and they think they aren't getting it right and they throw it out
but really it just needed a bit of time to age and mellow, is a disservice.
Again, not an attack, a well formed opinion based on fact.
But again, I know you believe the same way with your own opinion, I'm just going to say it's wrong.
It's pretty well proven though.
Taste is HIGHLY subjective and really there is nothing wrong with that.
Nothing personal, just a flavor preference among many differing opinions.
My Amber Boston Rounds work just fine. However, those look nice.
HolyCreNilla - PVUSA
Nicotine Strength - 18.00 mg
PG Level - 20.00%
VG Level - 80.00%
Flavor Level - 9.00%
Amount to Make - 10.000 ml
NIC 100VG (WizardLabs) - 18.00%
PG (RTS Vapes) - 11.00%
VG (RTS Vapes) - 62.00%
Holy Vanilla (DIY Flavor Shack) - 5.00%
Bavarian Cream (TFA) - 3.00%
EM (Cotton Candy) (TFA) - 1.00%
This is good from day one, but.....
this needs to age in a plastic bottle for a good couple of weeks or so.
It will really develop the Vanilla smoothness and the Creaminess will become very defined.
Not to mention the EM will develop into just the right sweetness.
This will be great till it's gone after that.
And, You and others may not like it at all.
I know I do, and really that is all that matters in the grand scheme of things.
Trying to make this on day one taste like it will on week 2,,,,,,,, for me <<<<<
Might be vapable for a week, but in Week 2, it tastes like crap. Been there done that.
There are things that we can not change or get around. It's impossible.
Aging of some juices is a must. Not all, but many.
There are quite a few flavors that don't need to be aged at all.
Some do need to air out to get rid of the alcohol and other chem smells/flavors.
It all depends. This is a science and an art, it's not written in stone.
This is a pretty good explanation of what happens.... and you did mention this, which is correct, and a contradiction.
When you say that juice that needs to age was bad juice on day one and
CAN be made properly from day one is just not true.
To Steep Or Not To Steep An eJuice - The CerebralRift
VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety - YouTube
Some flavors need to develop
Some flavors (EM for example, not really a flavor, but a sweetner/enhancer of sorts) will explode after a week or 2
if too much is used. talk about crap.
Again, i am not trying to fight, but I am not going to capitulate on bad advice or arrogance either.
And, to put it far more succinctly, every post out here based on DIY should be prefaced with "what is good to me, may not be good to you"
But that doesn't make it bad just cause it needs time to develop.
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