Those sound TERRIFIC!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to hear what you find you like and what you can't live without LOL I think that's the fun part for me.... watching folks who didn't even know they liked something, create and then it'ts their ADV
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Those sound TERRIFIC!!!!!!!!! I can't wait to hear what you find you like and what you can't live without LOL I think that's the fun part for me.... watching folks who didn't even know they liked something, create and then it'ts their ADV
I don't even WANT to know how much I have invested in my diy venture and I'm not done yet.But thanks to all of y'all I am vaping quite a few really good flavors.
UH HUH!
Hey, I didn't say DIY stuff, I said vape stuffs ... shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Don't tell lol (it's probably worse-ugh)
And if it is the single thing I have learned in DIY Matt... you're NEVER done! There's always ONE flavor you don't have. My one flavor from two days ago turned into a 15 flavor order. So ya... NEVER done
UH HUH!
Hey, I didn't say DIY stuff, I said vape stuffs ... shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Don't tell lol (it's probably worse-ugh)
And if it is the single thing I have learned in DIY Matt... you're NEVER done! There's always ONE flavor you don't have. My one flavor from two days ago turned into a 15 flavor order. So ya... NEVER done
That is so very true. There are so many wonderful vanillas and now Bill posted that yummy Vanilla recipe and of course I don't have 2 of them so back to TFA I go and of course while I am there I see a few more that I gotta have.
Welcome crazy! I am pretty new at DIY myself, but the "family" here is wonderful and everyone is so ready and willing to help. Everyone shares their experience and ideas and you WILL learn to make some great juice. Just be patient. Start small and simple - Bill's 100 drop test samples are an awesome tool to be able to experiment and not waste a lot of raw materials. Read the recipes and most important - HAVE FUN! You will have failures, but then you will have grand success! Also keep in mind taste is subjective so feel free to tweak recipes to your liking.
But first you must learn your flavors and that takes time too.
Had a long, hard day of travel with traffic/accident delays (hours), motel problems, and my old dog who has problems too. It's been a rough day, sorry for the babble.
That is so very true. There are so many wonderful vanillas and now Bill posted that yummy Vanilla recipe and of course I don't have 2 of them so back to TFA I go and of course while I am there I see a few more that I gotta have.
Which vanilla recipe?
Great advice! Always feel free to toss a question out!
No worries on babble-we all understand!
Thanks!
The recipes are so scattered through this thread I'll never find them all or remember which ones are where. Lol
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Top right of page, you will see the big "Likes" rectangle. Just under there is the search thread thing (maybe you know this already?). Think of one key word in the recipe and put it in there. POOF, you'll find it right away. I've noticed that if you ask it to search for too many terms at once, you don't ever seem to come up with what you're after
That's actually how I came to this thread. I think I searched for something about my SMOK Spinner-and here I am in a DIY thread. Addicted to DIY and TFA in a half second flat!
Top right of page, you will see the big "Likes" rectangle. Just under there is the search thread thing (maybe you know this already?). Think of one key word in the recipe and put it in there. POOF, you'll find it right away. I've noticed that if you ask it to search for too many terms at once, you don't ever seem to come up with what you're after
That's actually how I came to this thread. I think I searched for something about my SMOK Spinner-and here I am in a DIY thread. Addicted to DIY and TFA in a half second flat!
Thanks, yeah I know about the search function but I'm not even sure what I want to search for. I just want to see all the recipes together to browse through. Lol
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I have a MS Word file I copy recipes from here to. It keeps growing. Probably not all the recipes; I am sure I have missed quite a few. I started just saving recipes I really wanted to try. Now that my knowledge is expanding and I know I like different flavors at different times, I am trying to save everything.
Not the best method because over time keeping them sorted in some sort of order gets hard...
What about funnel cake, fruit with whip cream topping, what a vape that would be. YUMMY
Bills recipe--Speaking of Vanilla, ya'll, try this mix:
Vanilla Swirl - 4%
Vanilla Bourbon - 2%
French Vanilla - 4%
Bavarian Cream - 3% OR
French Vanilla Cream - 3% OR Both!!
Vanillin - 3%
Cotton Candy - 2%
Sweetener - 2%
This thread was moving really slow until the middle of August, around page 237, or so. Most of this thread has been posted in just the last two and one-half months, and the excellent participation (about the third most active thread on ECF I am told), since that time. My son Brandon died on August 12, 2014, and I found that posting here was a cathartic for me. I have hundreds of recipes, and have posted probably my top 50 best recipes on here. I've seen others post their best, as well. The community has grown up since that time. Prior to this time, there are pages where weeks would go by on a single page. Here was my first post since I "jumped in with both feet":
I'm not saying that the posts prior to this time aren't good, because they are, but if you just want to go back the last couple of months and see how this has all blown up, try starting at this time frame. There have been more than 100 solid recipes posted since that time, together with many insider secrets, tips, and helpful points regarding DIY. Sure, it may take a couple of hours, but this hasn't really taken place over years to get us to where we are today. Good luck!
This thread was moving really slow until the middle of August, around page 237, or so. Most of this thread has been posted in just the last two and one-half months, and the excellent participation (about the third most active thread on ECF I am told), since that time. My son Brandon died on August 12, 2014, and I found that posting here was a cathartic for me. I have hundreds of recipes, and have posted probably my top 50 best recipes on here. I've seen others post their best, as well. The community has grown up since that time. Prior to this time, there are pages where weeks would go by on a single page. Here was my first post since I "jumped in with both feet":
I'm not saying that the posts prior to this time aren't good, because they are, but if you just want to go back the last couple of months and see how this has all blown up, try starting at this time frame. There have been more than 100 solid recipes posted since that time, together with many insider secrets, tips, and helpful points regarding DIY. Sure, it may take a couple of hours, but this hasn't really taken place over years to get us to where we are today. Good luck!
Sorry to hear about your son, man. I'm glad this thread helped you deal with the situation.
I will eventually read the whole thread but it's gonna take a while. I appreciate everyone here that has given tips, recipes and information. I will definitely post my own recipes if I ever make any good ones. Lol.
Thanks everyone!
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This is so true! In the last couple of months, some really great tools have emerged to help any new DIY'er to make great juice. At first, we all think that making a juice with a single flavor will be enough, and we find that these are bases, and not full, rounded flavors found in nature and the real world. Even if all you wanted to vape was sweet cream, you would have to add cream and sweetener to make it, or two flavors in this example. Great recipes are usually combinations of three or more flavors, put together to enhance overall flavoring. About all you can really taste is four flavors in a mix, that you can instantly identify upon vaping, or at least that's all I can taste. Usually, that is something like two dominant flavors and two secondary flavorings. In some cases, you can detect subtle flavoring with more complex recipes, and we've all experienced that.
Taste is subjective, so all recipes have to be taste tested and adapted to work with our flavoring sensibilities. That's easy with the 100 drop test with one drop equaling one percent. It's easy to adjust to, just make notes between flavorings reflecting what you think it needs more of and what you think it may have to much of. Adjust recipe and remix, instantly. You can even use the new mix on top of the old mix, and a few vapes later and you're on the gold, so to speak. I've rarely had to go over 800 drops total to make any flavoring.
TFA flavorings are outstanding because they are bases that are designed to be combined to get vapeable mixes, with multiple flavors. As Reni says, it's not that different from cooking, though percentages and mixes take a wee bit of experimentation to get down.
Vanillas and Creams are your friend. Not only do they enhance the primary flavorings, but they provide depth to the vape as well. If kept say south of 6%, you hardly taste them at all, provided you used enough of the primary mixes. Generally you're going to be using about 20 - 30% flavoring with about half as primary flavorings and half as secondary and supporting flavors. After you do this for a while, it's literally shocking how often my first mix is the best mix, even though I will do variations with the 100 drop test to see what's happening with the mix.
Regarding steeping, high flavoring mixes of 20-30% do not require long steep times. If it doesn't taste really good upon mixing, it's not ever going to be great, imho. Low flavoring mixes do take considerably longer to emerge. About 2 - 4 hours to flavor bond, perhaps another day or two of steeping is all a mix should take to be great. If it takes longer than that, you're not using enough flavoring. Always test you juice when you mix it, don't wait. This will then allow you to compare the final juice to the out of the can mix. If you do this, you can learn about how long a juice takes to be fully ready.
When starting, buy the creams, vanillas and fruits initially. Go heavy on these, primarily the vanillas and creams. You'll be using all of them in most every mix. You also need Cotton Candy and Sweetener, both from TFA, as they'll be going in almost every mix too.
You need a juice calculator. I like the EJuiceMeUp calculator from breaktru.com.
You can get a bulk account set up easy with TFA, providing you 4 oz bottles for the same price as 1 oz bottles (close enough).
Buy VG and PG in bulk, you'll be using a lot of VG. Try Bulk Apothecary. Nicotine from MyFreedomSmokes in 100 mg/ml one liter bottles is your best bet too, price wise.
Getting setup is expensive. You'll need more glass than you can imagine. You will need glass droppers, at least a dozen, or more (Amazon). You will need beakers. I mainly use the 100 ml beakers. Larger batches I use Reagent bottles. You need reagent bottles because they are air tight and almost every other bottle, even with caps, are not air-tight. You should be fine with 250- ml reagent bottles (Amazon). You will also need syringes. I use 1, 3, 10, 30, 60 and 100 ml syringes. Buy these buy the box, as they are much cheaper and not much more expensive that buying them individually. You will also need funnels and glass boston round amber/clear dropper bottles or cap bottles. I use a lot of plastic bottles for samples (China about a dime a piece).
Participate! Ask questions. There are no dumb questions. The people answering the questions learn more than the person asking them. It helps us hone our craft to help you. Participate! Please. Ask about what you want to vape. Someone will have a recipe, or be able to guide you in a recipe.
When making juices TEST, TEST, TEST. This is the key. Don't make a batch, and then wait for steeping. Make a batch (100 drops) using your calculator, taste test, adjust, and remix.....REPEAT. High flavor mixes can be vaped immediately and you don't have to wait for them to steep to make the adjustment, and why I use high flavor mixes (20-30%).
Decide on a standard ratio like 30% PG, 70% VG. Make all your juices the same. Make them with the same nicotine. This will allow you to compare flavorings and help you standardize taste testings. Use nicotine and VG/PG in all your 100 drop mixes, as they do affect flavoring and taste.
There are at least another 50 tips, which are included in these pages, but I'll just stop here for now. Take action. Commit. You won't save money until AFTER you get your DIY gear paid for. Thereafter, my most expensive juice is under 3 cents per ml, but you have to gear up first. Good luck!
One question...
How do I do the 100 drop test?
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How do I do the 100 drop test?
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Just saw Red Velvet Funnel Cake on TV!!!!!!!! With cream cheese icing! I'm cursed with looking at fair food LOL
Yay for a Glock fan! (Ok, back to juice
)Basically, the 100 drop test is a 1 drop per 1% of ingredient, test batch. If you have a moment to read, please see this journey that Bill wrote to see the 100 drop test in motion: Bill and the Chocolate Covered Cherry Journey
Think of it this way. If you have a recipe that has 4% Bavarian Cream, then you would use 4 drops. 6 drops for 6% and so on. This is the same for your PG/VG mix. Any of your ingredients. Let us know if you need further help
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