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Don't feel a bit bad about this recipe. I don't know anyone that can make a good cheesecake, though I've seen many recipes and tried for two years to make it myself, and I'm a decent juice maker.
I can tell you that the addition of vanilla will improve your recipe. I would perhaps lower the Bavarian cream and add vanilla, or just add vanilla at 4-6%, and I think it very well may improve your mix. Cheesecake also is as much about the thick texture, as the flavor, and you can't duplicate that thickness with vaping, imho.
Went as high as 15% and still a very light taste, I'll play with it more tomorrow, got busy and couldn't get back to it.
I know what Horchata is, but I've not vaped it, and don't see that going on my vape list any time soon. Even if it is great, I've never heard of a horchata Danish, at least in the U.S., so I don't see it as a valuable Danish flavoring. That's my take on it, and I'm sure that can be proven wrong by someone's sense of taste (subjective, etc.). Remember the OP was saying that he had failed and gave four different Danish recipes, and, maybe, just maybe, the horchata is contributing to that? I don't know, again never vaped it, but it's not without reason in this situation.
Ooo, my bad (on response to you). This is the type of thing that happens when I'm cooking and posting! Oopsie!
I'm thinking the reason it was added by the OP is for the milky/cinnamon flavor. I could be entirely off base. But that is the only reason *I* would even consider it. It may impart a smoothness that can't be had another way. However, I do believe (though, like you, I've never vaped the stuff, or used it as a flavoring) that it is probably watering down the recipe. I don't see any other ingredients that would give the result described.
Whew! Glad I went and re-read that
Thanks for pointing out my blond moment hehe 
Never been told my juice was dry, so never thought to add distilled water, but it does make perfect sense as most of our carrier's are humectants anyway, which is why we can get dehydrated when we vape. When I start getting a little dry mouth, though, I'll usually just grab a bottle of water. Does help.
I definitely agree,i love that stuff,the drink anyway,i could drink gallons of it haha.When i first started diy'ing horchata was one of the first flavors i ordered,because like i said i love the stuff,but i was highly dissapointed with it.I started out with the Capella flavor,and no matter what percentage i tried,it never tasted right,so fast forward several months,and i got the tfa horchata,i thought i bought the smooth,but instead got the one called horchata base,this one is nowhere near what i wanted,all you taste is cinnamon in that one,with no other flavor at all.I'm going to try the smooth version next,and then put some of Bill's tips to use,and add some creams and see if i can get it at least close to the drink flavor.
Ooo, my bad (on response to you). This is the type of thing that happens when I'm cooking and posting! Oopsie!
I'm thinking the reason it was added by the OP is for the milky/cinnamon flavor. I could be entirely off base. But that is the only reason *I* would even consider it. It may impart a smoothness that can't be had another way. However, I do believe (though, like you, I've never vaped the stuff, or used it as a flavoring) that it is probably watering down the recipe. I don't see any other ingredients that would give the result described.
Whew! Glad I went and re-read that
Forgive me Reni! Don't mean to be harsh. I have never seen horchata in a recipe for any flavored juices that I like, so it just struck me as strange. I've made a few hundred juices, but have collected a couple thousand recipes, and no horchata yet, that I can recall. So, I just wanted to point out that may be, I don't know for sure, but maybe it's part of the problem. Again, I really don't know about that flavoring in a Danish recipe. Maybe it's the secret missing ingredient to our Danish dough flavor? So, I threw that out there as a possibility as the OP wanted suggestions about what might be wrong/missing. I want you to know how much I enjoy your posts, your support for other members, your amazing enthusiasm, and your gift of generosity. All the best, my friend!
Ooo, my bad (on response to you). This is the type of thing that happens when I'm cooking and posting! Oopsie!
I'm thinking the reason it was added by the OP is for the milky/cinnamon flavor. I could be entirely off base. But that is the only reason *I* would even consider it. It may impart a smoothness that can't be had another way. However, I do believe (though, like you, I've never vaped the stuff, or used it as a flavoring) that it is probably watering down the recipe. I don't see any other ingredients that would give the result described.
Whew! Glad I went and re-read that
yes i was using it as a cinnamon/milky flavor. it has the cinnamon flavor but its light so thats why i decided to throw it in the recipe. just trying new things
Well that's totally true, but, that being said, there are also some fairly reliable rules of thumb, as well.
That's true.I was just generally speaking about flavor and taste.
Yes please keep trying new things, I'll work with it tomorrow also
Forgive me Reni! Don't mean to be harsh. I have never seen horchata in a recipe for any flavored juices that I like, so it just struck me as strange. I've made a few hundred juices, but have collected a couple thousand recipes, and no horchata yet, that I can recall. So, I just wanted to point out that may be, I don't know for sure, but maybe it's part of the problem. Again, I really don't know about that flavoring in a Danish recipe. Maybe it's the secret missing ingredient to our Danish dough flavor? So, I threw that out there as a possibility as the OP wanted suggestions about what might be wrong/missing. I want you to know how much I enjoy your posts, your support for other members, your amazing enthusiasm, and your gift of generosity. All the best, my friend!
Nothing to forgive Kiddo
I just mis-read. All is well! I'm actually VERY surprised that you haven't run across it. I keep wanting to order it to be honest. I love the drink to pieces and it would be AMAZING as a vape. Right now, it's just not a priority. I'll ask my new friend, if she doesn't pop in on this herself, how she creates it for her hubby. Perhaps we can learn something! I'm kind of excited about this Bill-it's something you've not tried and we can learn all together - FUN!
Awww, I enjoy the same things about you as well!!! Not to mention your knowledge, your abilities and most of all, your steady kindness and patience with sharing it all!!
Never been told my juice was dry, so never thought to add distilled water, but it does make perfect sense as most of our carrier's are humectants anyway, which is why we can get dehydrated when we vape. When I start getting a little dry mouth, though, I'll usually just grab a bottle of water. Does help.
LOL I do the same-but I have noticed the same about some juices. I don't mind adding saline or DW to his mixes and he doesn't either. So i suppose I should hit the store for some more DW (I have like 9 oz left out of a gallon) and I'll put some aside just for his mixes.
Because of the meds I take (they make me have cotton mouth something fierce!!!!!!!! Read --> NO SALIVA FOR RENI!) I am CONSTANTLY drinking something or other. (Next post will have a pic of my cup-you'll then understand why I never go thirsty or have a dry mouth lol) So I couldn't tell if something was "dry" or not. Even though, as you pointed out, it "does" make sense that one could have a dry vape.
I'll also be adding a bit of smooth in there to see if it makes a difference. Then decide which made the better improvement and go from there!
There she is! THE cup! My friends hubby calls it my pickle jar lol Oh and because I carry it with me everywhere, everyday... It's also been called my "wubby" LOL!
new flavors that came in today. looking forward to playing with them
my quest for a good danish hasnt made great proggress. i will share my recipes now. maybe someone can see what is wrong. i was taking a different approach but fell short.
raspberry danish 1
raspberry sweet 12%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
raspberry danish 2
raspberry sweet 12%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
i then was thinking the raspberry wasnt enough so i went with a different filling flavor
strawberry danish
strawberry 10%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
blueberry danish
blueberry wild 15%
cheesecake 4%
bavarian cream 1.5%
vanilla cupcake 1.5%
horchata smooth 1%
cream cheese icing 1%
lemon 0.5%
all of these tasted decent when made. i think the issue may be not enough flavorings. my percentages are to low and if brought up could maybe bring them were i need them. im kinda stumped. i dont have the cinnamon danish flavoring. i wanted to go about it a different way. i will try again after some more thinking and planning were i wanna go with it
Rice milk won't bind with other ingredients like regular milk does--it won't turn your doughs a funny color and your cookies will be just as crunchy and delicious as they always were. In fact, if you are making a sweet recipe, such as lemon cookies or sweet bread, vanilla flavored rice milk can add a special touch of flavor that will put your recipe over the top. You'd be amazed at the difference that just a hint of that vanilla essence makes on most recipes.
So don't shy away from rice milk as a substitute for regular milk in baking recipes. You don't need to be afraid that rice milk will alter your cakes and cookies and breads. Used cup for cup, rice milk is a fantastic substitute for milk in baking.
Looking at all the recipes you used cheesecake I agree with Bill, maybe try removing the cheesecake and upping the creams, vanilla, Horacha and maybe the cream cheese icing, you have plenty of room, removing the cheesecake puts you only at 18% so I would remove the vanilla cupcake and add vanilla swirl and up the others I named by 1% and see what happens just my thoughts
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Just an observation, but I have had really good success with vanillas and creams and sweetener in my juices. Often times when I hear about members having problems with their mixes, they don't use these supporting flavorings that enhance, brighten, thicken, and enrich their primary flavors. I thought I would go back to my post about how new juice makers can make great juice today and look at some of my rules of thumb. I thought it might be helpful to list primary flavoring(s), creams and vanillas, and sweeteners as a percentage of total mix. So, here's what that looks like:
Custards
Vanillas and Creams - 12%
Sweeteners - 7%
Primaries - 7-13%
Danish
Vanillas and Creams - 6-8%
Sweeteners - 4-8%
Primaries - 7-13%
Secondaries - 3-7%
Creams
Vanillas and Creams - 10%
Sweeteners - 5%
Primaries - 7-13%
Pies
Vanillas and Creams - 5-8%
Sweeteners - 4-6%
Primaries - 7-13%
Secondaries - 4-8%
Tarts
Vanillas and Creams - 8%
Sweeteners - 2-4%
Primaries - 7-15%
Ok, so overall, my favorite juice mixes have a range of uses of these common ingredients, as follows:
Overall Ranges
Vanillas and Creams - 5-12%
Sweeteners - 2-8%
Primaries - 7-15%
Secondaries - 3-8%
Every juice must be custom tweaked to match your taste sensibilities, but there are some rules of thumb that do work for me. My average juice will have vanillas and creams of about 8%, sweeteners of about 4%, Primary flavorings of about 10%, and secondary flavorings of about 5%, or an average overall flavoring of 27%:
Average Flavorings
Vanillas and Creams - 8%
Sweeteners - 4%
Primary Flavorings - 10%
Secondary Flavorings - 5%
Total Overall flavoring in the mix = 27%.
So, these are my rules of thumb, in hindsight, after making about two hundred different juices and over 50 ADV's. This is my happy place. Do you know yours?
Taste IS subjective. What works for me, may not work for you, so you have to develop your own flavorings that suit you. If you do this, you will develop profiles, probably similar to what I have shown here, with differences tailored for your tastes. After a while, the repetitive nature of juice making will cause you to instinctively know how to make juices that are going to match your tastes, as these lists show my tendencies. In so doing, you will find that you can easily design flavorings on paper, that surprisingly well work out upon first mix. It's because you have spent your time in the Vape Lab, finding what works for you. In the end, it's not magical vapor, but rather your experience that will give you the answers you need to make great juice for you, and your friends and loved ones.
Custards
Vanillas and Creams - 12%
Sweeteners - 7%
Primaries - 7-13%
Danish
Vanillas and Creams - 6-8%
Sweeteners - 4-8%
Primaries - 7-13%
Secondaries - 3-7%
Creams
Vanillas and Creams - 10%
Sweeteners - 5%
Primaries - 7-13%
Pies
Vanillas and Creams - 5-8%
Sweeteners - 4-6%
Primaries - 7-13%
Secondaries - 4-8%
Tarts
Vanillas and Creams - 8%
Sweeteners - 2-4%
Primaries - 7-15%
Ok, so overall, my favorite juice mixes have a range of uses of these common ingredients, as follows:
Overall Ranges
Vanillas and Creams - 5-12%
Sweeteners - 2-8%
Primaries - 7-15%
Secondaries - 3-8%
Every juice must be custom tweaked to match your taste sensibilities, but there are some rules of thumb that do work for me. My average juice will have vanillas and creams of about 8%, sweeteners of about 4%, Primary flavorings of about 10%, and secondary flavorings of about 5%, or an average overall flavoring of 27%:
Average Flavorings
Vanillas and Creams - 8%
Sweeteners - 4%
Primary Flavorings - 10%
Secondary Flavorings - 5%
Total Overall flavoring in the mix = 27%.
So, these are my rules of thumb, in hindsight, after making about two hundred different juices and over 50 ADV's. This is my happy place. Do you know yours?
Taste IS subjective. What works for me, may not work for you, so you have to develop your own flavorings that suit you. If you do this, you will develop profiles, probably similar to what I have shown here, with differences tailored for your tastes. After a while, the repetitive nature of juice making will cause you to instinctively know how to make juices that are going to match your tastes, as these lists show my tendencies. In so doing, you will find that you can easily design flavorings on paper, that surprisingly well work out upon first mix. It's because you have spent your time in the Vape Lab, finding what works for you. In the end, it's not magical vapor, but rather your experience that will give you the answers you need to make great juice for you, and your friends and loved ones.
Best post I've read all day! Thanx again Bill for some more knowledge and experience!
Im gonna up everything tonight and take away the cheesecake and vanilla cupcake. Im gonna add sweet cream and vanilla swirl. Thanks for the ideas
Made this yesterday and its really good. Think I might adjust it so it has a little raspberry flavor. Maybe 1% more
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Can you perhaps post these in %'s please? It makes it bunches easier to translate into all sorts of calculators as well as helps those of us who use the 100 drop test (also known as "100DT") to work a recipe out
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