You can vape immediately, and should try it. It'll flavor bond in a couple of hours, and fully steep in 24-48 hours. High flavor mixes do not require long steep times. 
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You can vape immediately, and should try it. It'll flavor bond in a couple of hours, and fully steep in 24-48 hours. High flavor mixes do not require long steep times.
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Kayfun is the most popular RTA on the market. Only thing I used for about 6 months. They are very good. You'll be making your own coils and wicks, but it's more a mental block, NOT a difficult operation by any means. I'm sure you'll find all the help you need right here, just let us know.
P.S. I all I use these days are my Taifun GT's. Better and easier to work with than the kayfun, imho. I have ten of them!
Bill: Well on my clone, I've wrapped a few coils... Of course I also drool over your coil maker
I think most of my issue is that I shake-so holding on to something isn't fun lol In fact, I think most of the time the wire etc ends up on the floor lol If I spend $1 at my B&M fun place, they'll build anything I want for free hahahah so I have been weaning my last build until I finish prettying up my mod 
I am HOPING that tomorrow no one will bother me all day and I can DIY and finish making pretty mod! I SOOOOOOOOOOOOO want to build that fogger tonight, but I'm shaking WAYYY too much to deal with something that small lol I was looking for that Taifun name in your posts from a while back Bill-but blast it! I couldn't find it before I ordered the other. Are they pricey?readeuler: I just may be asking for that lil trick in a sec LOL
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I wait for your posts with bells on! LOL And ty for the other advice. This is the first "advanced" tank mechanism that I've picked up-so I want to do it RIGHT. I'd rather sit on it for a week and learn to operate it correctly than half-educated tries. Not my style. I bought these for flavor-it's important to me after getting into the DIY. I REALLY want to taste what I am making. It kind of is odd to me what *I* feel like I am tasting compared to others on my recipe(s). So I figured I needed to drop a few $$ and stop buying cheap tanks (which honestly, I love for portability) I live in my SUV sometimes-so having something that won't leak and I can just toss in my purse is pretty important to me......
Foggers are great,but like mentioned they are a bit tricky to get set up right at first.The best way i have found to keep them from leaking is to leave a thin tail on the ends of the wicks and put those thin tails about half way down the length of the channels.Honestly though,these are better suited for juices that you already know are good,rather than testing,since they are more difficult to change wicks and coils in.Kayfun's are nice too,they are easier to coil,since they are single coil,but the fogger is far better.Now,if you really want a tank that will give you all the flavor you could ever want,then next time you get the itch to buy a new tank,get yourself an orchid.They are right there with the flavor of an rda,but hold more juice,best part is they are $20 or less.I've been back to using the fogger since i got hooked on the fire & ice,but once i get over this thrill,i'll be running back to my orchid haha.
You're not getting over Big Red anytime soon Bill-don't fool yourself LOL
Ya, is aw the Orchid type tanks on FT, but I haven't found one here in town to "play" with-sooooooooooooooooooo............. I wasn't sure what price range the non-FT ones were. I've read somewhere that the FT ones are perfectly good and almost undetectable as far as difference with the non clone types. *shrug*
Most of my Taifun's I got from Fasttech at about $21 a piece. I have two originals (pricey), and one US clone about $50. Domo Vapor has originals now for $125, a great price (for an original). FT is the best bet, and they only take about two weeks to get here usually.
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Cheap tanks? All about the coil and wick, imho. Rebuilding a protank can provide an outstanding vape, rivaling more expensive and difficult gear. I hear you about wanting gear to match your juice. We all need to do that. There are so many devices out there now, it is possible to find any configuration to meet your needs, and by rebuilding coils and wicks yourself, you can easily get the vape you are after. For me, I need a big tank, prefer single coils, focus on flavor, less on vapor, and need to easily build coils and wicks....quickly. So, that guided my selection of the taifun Gt, and I haven't looked back. I have 15 drippers that I don't use. I have duals, quads, carto tanks and clearos of every imaginable configuration. When you find what works for you, everything changes, and gets easier. There is a best vape for each of us, and that vape is likely to be different for everyone. There is no best or right way, just a VapeQuest to find the best gear for your needs. That being said, it does help to rebuild, as you can't get to the better vapes without it, imho, though some AFC clearos are approaching a pretty good vape. I did find carto tanks, though, better than clearos, even when I rebuilt them, though that was a while ago, and there are better clearos out there now, some of which I have not tried. All I can say is that you'll know it when you see it....that perfect setup for you. Can be a long journey, though. I've been through at least 150 different toppers to find mine. To each their own.... Good luck!!!
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I agree with Tim. A drop or two of M type will take you back toward tobacco and away from sweetness. M is strong, and not that great a flavor on it's own, but very useful in tobacco mixes. I use it myself in Brandon's Choice.
Where can I find this recipe?
I looked in your blogs, searched this forum, google ?? TA
Cheap tanks? All about the coil and wick, imho. Rebuilding a protank can provide an outstanding vape, rivaling more expensive and difficult gear. I hear you about wanting gear to match your juice. We all need to do that. There are so many devices out there now, it is possible to find any configuration to meet your needs, and by rebuilding coils and wicks yourself, you can easily get the vape you are after. For me, I need a big tank, prefer single coils, focus on flavor, less on vapor, and need to easily build coils and wicks....quickly. So, that guided my selection of the taifun Gt, and I haven't looked back. I have 15 drippers that I don't use. I have duals, quads, carto tanks and clearos of every imaginable configuration. When you find what works for you, everything changes, and gets easier. There is a best vape for each of us, and that vape is likely to be different for everyone. There is no best or right way, just a VapeQuest to find the best gear for your needs. That being said, it does help to rebuild, as you can't get to the better vapes without it, imho, though some AFC clearos are approaching a pretty good vape. I did find carto tanks, though, better than clearos, even when I rebuilt them, though that was a while ago, and there are better clearos out there now, some of which I have not tried. All I can say is that you'll know it when you see it....that perfect setup for you. Can be a long journey, though. I've been through at least 150 different toppers to find mine. To each their own.... Good luck!!!
Well, cheap as in-inexpensive....Which is not always bad, I realize. *I* like my Kanger T3S's, however as you know, they aren't great for all juices. I've already fogged one tank up-almost to the point you can't see through it and another is on it's way in that direction! But like I said-this is more of a taste journey now, where (as I didn't say) getting the tanks was more trying to find the right amount of vapor and price. I also have those lil Aspire BVC's, I REALLY like the lil one-I can't imagine if the bigger ones would be better or not though, so I haven't bought em. I have a couple mini protanks... they aren't bad, but I can't seem to find a proper tip to fit in the blasted things, so they draw too much air. I don't use them much because of that.
As you are WELL aware, I've a bit of an issue (as do a lot of us lol) with going overboard on purchasing things because, well...because! That's how I ended up with these tanks. And if my kid stops using his, I'm snagging that one back lol I like those blasted T looking tanks. Or the EVOD ones etc. They taste nice to me too-but I think I'm missing out! I'll be asking for help, don't you worry LOL But it'll be a while. I just can't afford it right now
Cartos to me just taste burnt. I put mine aside not too long after I first got them, I pulled them out when I started DIY and put them away again. I just think they taste funny. They'll do in a pinch. In fact I carry one in my truck as a spare. But they aren't my first choice...
If you don't like the airy draw then you probably wouldn't like the orchids,they suck in a ton of air,but produce amazing flavor because of all that air.The kayfun has a fairly tight draw which i used to really like,it was about the same amount of air as my protanks.Good thing on that fogger is the airflow is adjustable,that makes it very nice to get it right where you like it.
As for getting over the big red taste,yeah your probably right,this one will definitely take a while haha,i just wish i could use it in my orchid,but that much cinnamon would probably melt the plastic tank,and i really don't want to vape plastic vapors haha.Although,i have been using my kayfun again for the last few days after not using it for over 3 months.I found that the orchid was to airy for me with tobacco,but the kayfun with the tighter draw gives that same feeling as taking a draw from a cigarette,so that goes along with the taste,definitely goes to show how different tanks work to bring out different experiences with different juices.
As for getting over the big red taste,yeah your probably right,this one will definitely take a while haha,i just wish i could use it in my orchid,but that much cinnamon would probably melt the plastic tank,and i really don't want to vape plastic vapors haha.Although,i have been using my kayfun again for the last few days after not using it for over 3 months.I found that the orchid was to airy for me with tobacco,but the kayfun with the tighter draw gives that same feeling as taking a draw from a cigarette,so that goes along with the taste,definitely goes to show how different tanks work to bring out different experiences with different juices.
Sounds like the plastic is breaking down. I suggest retiring them.
The Orchid chimney is actually longer than what is needed in it's stock PMMA tank setup. If you have a Kayfun and a nano kit you can use a nano ring, the metal tank section, and the regular size ring for a tank cracker juice setup with extra juice capacity. The Orchid base is compatible with kayfun parts.
It's all relative to how you like to vape. A .5 build is going to be a pretty hot vape on a kayfun even with the AFC wide open. On a Orchid it's right at home with the extra airflow. Actually, extra airflow dilutes flavor if the build doesn't produce vapor to support it. It's all about the balance. You want there to be enough airflow to keep the temps within your liking but additional airflow beyond that will only dilute flavor.
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Snake oil recipe in my notebook, from here or reddit, all tfa flavors, for Monica, adjust as needed
8% pear
5% Bav. Cream
1.5% coconut extra
Creamer version someone came up with is
5% pear
8% Bav. Cream
1% coconut extra
I like to use other fruits in place of pear also, and adjust % for my taste, I like the first recipe more, but that is just me.
My Danish/donut mix
3.5% waffle
3.5% frost. Donut
2% Brown sugar extra
1% butter
2% sweet cream
4% van. Cust.
Decreased frosted donut to 1% too, lost pastry aspects, more custardy blend, and the other is pretty sweet... I used ren' s recipe/parts of it
Has anyone tried the rainbow sherbert yet?
8% pear
5% Bav. Cream
1.5% coconut extra
Creamer version someone came up with is
5% pear
8% Bav. Cream
1% coconut extra
I like to use other fruits in place of pear also, and adjust % for my taste, I like the first recipe more, but that is just me.
My Danish/donut mix
3.5% waffle
3.5% frost. Donut
2% Brown sugar extra
1% butter
2% sweet cream
4% van. Cust.
Decreased frosted donut to 1% too, lost pastry aspects, more custardy blend, and the other is pretty sweet... I used ren' s recipe/parts of it
Has anyone tried the rainbow sherbert yet?
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Hey bill, can you please repost te link to the drop top bottles again. I saw it going trough the thread but forgot to bookmark it, please and thank you!
Yeah,i seen someone mention that a while back.I have a quartz nano kit,but not the regular one.I do have 1 of my orchids set up with glass,but it's such a pain to fill that i dont bother with it,it looks cool though with the glass kit and finned top cap haha.I had a full size kayfun quartz kit cut a bit shorter to fit on the orchid,and it fits great,but the metal rings used for those kits have an inset that is very close to the chimney,so close that you cant even squeeze an 18g needle between them,so you have to squirt a bit of juice in,and wait for it to run down in on it's own,then squirt,and wait haha,it took almost 10 minutes to get it full,so for tank crackers i have went back to my foggers.Speaking of orchids though,they just released a v4 with an extended chimney,and full size kayfun tank.I will be getting it here in a few days.They claim this one will hold 7-8ml,if i can get 5ml in it i'll be happy.
I have.I tried it fresh right after mixing,and it was very good.I could taste several fruits as well as some creaminess.After that,i let it sit for a week because i forgot about it,so i went back to it yesterday and got a pretty funky off taste from it,although i can't say 100% the off taste was from it,i believe it was,but it was a coil i have been using for a while,so this weekend i will give it a try with a new coil to see if it is any different
Whew! I finally had caught up with this thread then found I couldn't post till I had posted 5 times in the new member area.
I have gotten SO much info from this thread it's really helping me to understand the juice a little better. Thanks to all for that!
I want to try to contribute but will probably only have questions
I did make one on my own but it needs some work and I haven't been able to get back to it but here it is.
Black Cherry Cream
Black Cherry 3%
Blueberry 5%
Vanilla Cupcake 2%
Sweet Cream 2%
I think it needs more creams it was a teeny bit harsh out the gate but I could taste the blueberry and black cherry even with the black cherry a little strong. It had a little less black cherry after a few days. Hubby is trying it out now to see what he thinks.
I have gotten SO much info from this thread it's really helping me to understand the juice a little better. Thanks to all for that!
I want to try to contribute but will probably only have questions
I did make one on my own but it needs some work and I haven't been able to get back to it but here it is.
Black Cherry Cream
Black Cherry 3%
Blueberry 5%
Vanilla Cupcake 2%
Sweet Cream 2%
I think it needs more creams it was a teeny bit harsh out the gate but I could taste the blueberry and black cherry even with the black cherry a little strong. It had a little less black cherry after a few days. Hubby is trying it out now to see what he thinks.
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