The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[readeuler]

I just can't believe how this thread has evolved in as little as 6-7 months.

I'm trying to see what kind of fruity mixin's I can do, so I search the thread for blackberry. I get a few hits for recipes, since blackberry isn't terribly popular (but will go fantastic with strawberry and peanut butter for some PB&J, I bet). But then I get back to March, and all I see is the Recommending Starting Percentages list posted, over and over.

It's almost like a few months ago, an unstoppable juice juggernaut was unleashed into this thread...

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Alrighty kids! I'm at an impasse of great proportions! I require someone that can mix a fruit's help

Either I've vape tongue for only fruit mixes, or everything I make is tasting the same LOL

Has anyone come up with a "filling" yet? I have determined that I'll use that Danish-Stone I created and add fruit filling of some sort. Right now, unless I had a full drop of Cinnamon Spice, I cannot taste the fruit. Period! I'm not opposed to cinnamon as a flavor, in fact, I've quite fallen in love with the cinnamon flavors--BUT! that's not the idea I've my head in for this

I've mixed plenty of great fruits, posted many recipes here. Generally, the fruit and whatever mix is somewhere near the 50/50 ratio, plus or minus 10. A 5% fruit is not going to register against a 25-30 background, imho. And, considering that the filling is probably 80% of the flavoring, more or less, in a Danish, it's going to be interesting to see what happens here.

I think your base is amazing, but I can see a 50+% flavoring requirement to get it right. Just a guess. A couple of weekends ago, I tried half a dozen different danishes, and for me, I almost don't taste any breading, maybe in the 5% range, plus or minus. I think you're probably going to have to use your base fully mixed up (flavoring only), and then add that to the fruit filling at maybe 5% +/- of the overall mix. In other words, your base IS A FLAVORING. Figuring out the right percentages shouldn't be to much work. I would start with fruits in the 10-15% range, add the base, plus sweeteners and any other flavorings that you might want in the mix. I hope this makes sense. If it doesn't, let me know, and I'll try again with a recipe "idea."

 

[renilyn]

I just can't believe how this thread has evolved in as little as 6-7 months.

I'm trying to see what kind of fruity mixin's I can do, so I search the thread for blackberry. I get a few hits for recipes, since blackberry isn't terribly popular (but will go fantastic with strawberry and peanut butter for some PB&J, I bet). But then I get back to March, and all I see is the Recommending Starting Percentages list posted, over and over.

It's almost like a few months ago, an unstoppable juice juggernaut was unleashed into this thread...

Uh huh... and his name may start with Bill

 

[clnire]

And he might be a Magic Vapor Wizard with little Hobbits as friends.

 

[renilyn]

I've mixed plenty of great fruits, posted many recipes here. Generally, the fruit and whatever mix is somewhere near the 50/50 ratio, plus or minus 10. A 5% fruit is not going to register against a 25-30 background, imho. And, considering that the filling is probably 80% of the flavoring, more or less, in a Danish, it's going to be interesting to see what happens here.

I think your base is amazing, but I can see a 50+% flavoring requirement to get it right. Just a guess. A couple of weekends ago, I tried half a dozen different danishes, and for me, I almost don't taste any breading, maybe in the 5% range, plus or minus. I think you're probably going to have to use your base fully mixed up (flavoring only), and then add that to the fruit filling at maybe 5% +/- of the overall mix. In other words, your base IS A FLAVORING. Figuring out the right percentages shouldn't be to much work. I would start with fruits in the 10-15% range, add the base, plus sweeteners and any other flavorings that you might want in the mix. I hope this makes sense. If it doesn't, let me know, and I'll try again with a recipe "idea."

Thank you


Makes perfect sense actually Bill. With the two I did today, I was 48% overall when blending the two "together" as opposed to using my mix as a flavor. So close to your 50%! Seems I've got the idea. But MAN were they completely undetectable-NOT a fruit one when doing it that way. So, I had the same idea to go back and use the Danish-Stone as a flavoring, however, to date-I've not made a single fruit based flavor that's tasted ok after mixing. Smells TERRIFIC, even doesn't taste bad (1 drop flavoring, one drop water on the tongue ), but after a week, they're either non existent or the creams and such take over. I'm sitting on that Fantastico from last night, hoping to get a base I can use to add to on Sunday morning. If not, I'm quite out of ideas for the filling.

I'll go 10-15% later tonight or in the morning with my last "idea". I'll let you know if it works or not. Will you be around tomorrow or are you back traveling again? I know you said you were feeling better-but I wasn't sure if you were up to par or not

 

[vapbamafaye]

I have a question I have been lurking for a while and I am in a other group that says only 20% flavor or it starts to mute out taste if you use more so my question is if I am using my tfa flavors to make a high vg cause the pg bothers me like bills cinnamon danish do I need to increase the flavors precentages? Some of the ones I am making are really blan and have been steeping for at least a week sorry if this shouldn't have been posted here.

 

[renilyn]

I have a question I have been lurking for a while and I am in a other group that says only 20% flavor or it starts to mute out taste if you use more so my question is if I am using my tfa flavors to make a high vg cause the pg bothers me like bills cinnamon danish do I need to increase the flavors precentages? Some of the ones I am making are really blan and have been steeping for at least a week sorry if this shouldn't have been posted here.

Personally, I disagree with that argument. I've mixed a few above 25%, they're fine and you don't need any sort of long steep what-so-ever 48 hours-TOPS!

It may be beneficial for you to post the recipe that you're after so that we can see if it's the mix that's bland or something else that can be done to make it much more flavorful for you! Happy to oblige!

P.S. There are NO wrong questions on this thread! Ask away. If it's something that needs to be directed elsewhere because it's not something we can help you with-we all seem to be fine with finding you someone that can. So no worries! Ask away!

 

[readeuler]

I have a question I have been lurking for a while and I am in a other group that says only 20% flavor or it starts to mute out taste if you use more so my question is if I am using my tfa flavors to make a high vg cause the pg bothers me like bills cinnamon danish do I need to increase the flavors precentages? Some of the ones I am making are really blan and have been steeping for at least a week sorry if this shouldn't have been posted here.

Un-lurk all you'd like, indeed! I think the "don't go over 20%" mentality makes more sense for single-flavor mixes. I've heard that single-flavors have a "sweet spot". So maybe Strawberry tastes boring at 5%, great at 15%, but when we bump it up to 25% for that strawberry goodness, it goes back to tasting like nothing; we've got taste overload, and interpret it as boring again.

I don't know why our 20+% mixes don't behave like this, but they certainly don't! I'm vaping a 30% strawberry/cream/custard mix, and it's delicious. Also, it needed pretty much no steep time. It's changed a bit since mixing a few days ago, but became my ADV right after a 2 hour breathing.

Did you try Bill's mix and find it muted, or some of the mixes you've made in the past?

 

[vapbamafaye]

Personally, I disagree with that argument. I've mixed a few above 25%, they're fine and you don't need any sort of long steep what-so-ever 48 hours-TOPS!

It may be beneficial for you to post the recipe that you're after so that we can see if it's the mix that's bland or something else that can be done to make it much more flavorful for you! Happy to oblige!

P.S. There are NO wrong questions on this thread! Ask away. If it's something that needs to be directed elsewhere because it's not something we can help you with-we all seem to be fine with finding you someone that can. So no worries! Ask away!

One of the recipes are

Sugar cookie 6
Cinnamon danish 6
Cinnamon roll 5
Em 1

The other is
Blueberry 8
Vanilla cupcake 12

Both were at 50/50 but need more vg pg dosent agree withme and was told vg does not carry flavor well and they were at 6 nic. I tried them both in a tank and a rda.

 

[renilyn]

One of the recipes are

Sugar cookie 6
Cinnamon danish 6
Cinnamon roll 5
Em 1

The other is
Blueberry 8
Vanilla cupcake 12

Both were at 50/50 but need more vg pg dosent agree withme and was told vg does not carry flavor well and they were at 6 nic. I tried them both in a tank and a rda.

I'm not sitting at my computer for a second, but straight off I say there are no creams to make it work "right"... Anyone else agree?

 

[disco180]

One of the recipes are

Sugar cookie 6
Cinnamon danish 6
Cinnamon roll 5
Em 1

The other is
Blueberry 8
Vanilla cupcake 12

Both were at 50/50 but need more vg pg dosent agree withme and was told vg does not carry flavor well and they were at 6 nic. I tried them both in a tank and a rda.

The real question for you would be...When did you stop smoking? because you know it takes us a while to get our taste buds back. Your recipes with all that cinnamon there is no way that you shouldn't taste anything unless you have vapers tongue . Last but not least you have to check the quality of your bases (VG/PG/NIC) they are not all created equal.

To check your bases mix some un-flavored juice and see if it has a clear taste or does it have a strong taste because it can mute the flavors if its not almost tasteless. (nic is never truly tasteless except for vapers tek)

 

[vapbamafaye]

The real question for you would be...When did you stop smoking? because you know it takes us a while to get our taste buds back. Your recipes with all that cinnamon there is no way that you shouldn't taste anything unless you have vapers tongue . Last but not least you have to check the quality of your bases (VG/PG/NIC) they are not all created equal.

I stopped smoking march 24 th this year and the pg vg and nic came from wizard labs and flavors are all tfa except sugar cookie which is capella I think mot of my flavors are tfa only a few are capells

 

[disco180]

I would suggest trying recipes that alot of people say taste good to them...still might not taste good to you. The last point of the story is that you have to mix until you can taste it the way you want it...alot goes into learning DIY you have to adjust for taste its not an easy process you have to tweak, tweak and tweak until you find your all day vape, I know I went awhile making bad juice until I learned by first making single flavor juices to taste before jumping into mixing multiple flavors.

Stick with it you will get the hang of it, and don't listen to people telling you high vg bakery mixes take weeks to develop because of high VG....now tobacco is another story it does take weeks and months

 

[b.m.]

You quit right about the same time as me,i was right around march 20 or within a couple days of it.I can tell you,i still find alot of flavors that seem to be bland and off tasting from what they should be.I've used the nic and pg from wizard,in fact i am still using some of the nic i got from them.For me,i have found that the lite flavors like alot of the fruits i really can barely taste even if i go 60pg/40vg,but bolder flavors like cinnamon,tobacco,cappucino,etc. seem to fight their way through ok.The highest vg ratio i have used is 30pg/70vg and at 70% vg it doesn't seem to mute the flavor at all.

 

[vapbamafaye]

You quit right about the same time as me,i was right around march 20 or within a couple days of it.I can tell you,i still find alot of flavors that seem to be bland and off tasting from what they should be.I've used the nic and pg from wizard,in fact i am still using some of the nic i got from them.For me,i have found that the lite flavors like alot of the fruits i really can barely taste even if i go 60pg/40vg,but bolder flavors like cinnamon,tobacco,cappucino,etc. seem to fight their way through ok.The highest vg ratio i have used is 30pg/70vg and at 70% vg it doesn't seem to mute the flavor at all.

Still not sure what to since i have done the single flavors and now trying some other peoples recipes from here and other groups and not sure what to do but thanks for the help

 

[disco180]

Still not sure what to since i have done the single flavors and now trying some other peoples recipes from here and other groups and not sure what to do but thanks for the help

Have you ever tasted a juice that you liked? What gear are you using? protanks? drippers?

 

[vapbamafaye]

Have you ever tasted a juice that you liked?

Well I can say probably not many cause I didn't try a lt of the big name brands but our local bm hada strawberry shortcake, creme de menthe and blue moo from mbv I really did like. I like a lot of creamy desert type vapes not a big fruit by itself or tabacco person

 

[disco180]

TFA favors are the hardest to mix because they are concentrated raw flavors and always need help from supporting flavors to taste the way you want them to taste and the percentage ranges are all over the place. The mount baker flavors from your B&M are flavorwest (FW) and they are the easiest to mix because they all taste like what you expect for the most part at 15%. Try MBV concentrates for mixing its an easier learning curve (I know I know this is the TFA/TPA thread) lol

 

[renilyn]

What we need to find out, I agree, is what are you expecting flavor wise. Between us, we can probably create something that you like, is fairly simple to mix for you first few rounds until you decide if you want to up a % here or there. I also agree that MBV makes stuff that is "true to taste" from FW flavors-but what fun is THAT?!?!?! If you like the idea of a Cinnamon based bakery vape-try this:

10% Cinnamon Danish
6% Bavarian Cream, and
10% Cotton Candy

This is AMAZING (Thank you Bill!!!!!!) immediately after mixing and even better after the flavors bond in 24-48 hours. Those are all TFA flavors by the way. You can also add 3% LA Cream Cheese Icing for a bit of a nice sweet taste if you care to. Either way, it's a delectable vape out of the gate!!!!

 

[renilyn]

Boy!!!!!!! You ever want someone to shut a thread down-just let me know! Sheesh LOL