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I put the lite strawberry cheesecake that I use in a kfl in the Achilles and the flavor was really intense. If I was using just the Achilles then I could easily drop my flavor percentages.
I also have both (thanx Andria) and I would consider the taste quality very similar. Maybe a slight nod to the Achilles and I definitely have abandon the I-go as a daily carry in favor of the Achilles but we are talking specifically about tasting rigs here. I don't want too take apart and clean an Achilles each time to swap out each flavor. I think the igo is the perfect taster rig.
I can't help but wonder now whether I was doing something wrong with the igo L? To me the taste comparison was no where near the same.
I can definitely agree on the magma or the derringer,actually i would go a head above and say the derringer all the way.Fantastic flavor,i use 2 as my all day setups.
Good to hear the Hobo is a good one,i just got one today and haven't put a build in it yet,and as far as Rayon,yeah it don't get better than that haha.
Not the peach or lemon
Lemon Custard
Lemon 8%
Cotton Candy (not circus) 4%
Van Custard 6%
Bav Cream 6%
Peach Custard
Juicy Peach 10%
Cotton Candy (not circus) 7%
Van Custard 6%
Bav Cream 6%
I get a strange flavor from rayon so I stay with KGD. Subjective blah, blah. I'd love to get a Magma. That & an Achilles, & another couple of Kayfuns are on my list for next month...along with more bottles to break down more of my nic for freezing. Ok, maybe not ALL of that...
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I wanted to also say.. for all those who haven't done it yet.. Read Bill's Blogs.. I started mixing almost 2 yrs ago and in the last year reading his stuff jumped me light years ahead.. and also.. remember .. FAILER means learning.. I can now throe "something" together by someone asking.. what about this and this.. now .. you have to tweek.. just by what Bill has provided with base "concepts" .. always add this or that for this .. My nephew came over this past week.. I am a sucker for my only nephew and he asked me if I could make him something he likes .. tired of paying high prices for 30ML of premium Juice.. I vaped it .. and I could tell what most of the ingredients where .. he had two.. so we sat down and did the 100 drop test ...
Pear Nut
Pear 10%
Coconut Extra 3%
Whipped Cream 6%
Cotton Candy (not circus) 2
Bavarian Cream 4%
Cinna Pear
Pear 10%
Cinnamon Danish 5%
French Vanilla 3%
Cotton Candy (not circus) 4
Made them .. he took them home .. I told him..leave the cap off a few hours ..shake.. wait 2 days and vape.. he loved them ... They are not clones but very similar to what he was paying big money for... the greatest news .. was when he called .. Uncle ... these juices you made me are better than the ones I was buying!!! Fell free to try .. please remember that taste is subject to your own taste buds.. so read, research, waste some juice , experiment and have fun doing it
Some of my original stuff I made before reading Bill's stuff I thought was really good .. tweeking things by adding this and a little of that.. made them outstanding !!!
Pear Nut
Pear 10%
Coconut Extra 3%
Whipped Cream 6%
Cotton Candy (not circus) 2
Bavarian Cream 4%
Cinna Pear
Pear 10%
Cinnamon Danish 5%
French Vanilla 3%
Cotton Candy (not circus) 4
Made them .. he took them home .. I told him..leave the cap off a few hours ..shake.. wait 2 days and vape.. he loved them ... They are not clones but very similar to what he was paying big money for... the greatest news .. was when he called .. Uncle ... these juices you made me are better than the ones I was buying!!! Fell free to try .. please remember that taste is subject to your own taste buds.. so read, research, waste some juice , experiment and have fun doing it
Some of my original stuff I made before reading Bill's stuff I thought was really good .. tweeking things by adding this and a little of that.. made them outstanding !!!
I bought an Igo-S last year, for a very tiny dripper to use for tasting, but it's SO small, I never could get much flavor out of it. Nowadays if I want to taste something new, I generally use the Magma -- which still satisfies me as far as its vape, I just dislike the frequent leakage -- I use it now either strictly for tobacco-flavored vapes (which always stay at home, they're very far from any kind of ADV), or for tasting.
Andria
I test using the exact same gear that I vape with every day. I don't rewick between tests either. 100DT's gives about 3 mls, which I can vape for 5 minutes and get the clear flavor of the new mix entirely. If I like it, I stop. If I don't, I remix. First of all, you have to mix to the device you are going to use it in. As many are saying, these juices taste differently in different devices. Why you would formulate in a different device than you will be using all day makes no sense, and is just a waste of money. Rewicking takes time to burn in the new wick. Just put the new juice in a clean tank, vape a minute or two, and see if you're done. Don't make mixing harder than it needs to be. Also, thank you so much TrophyFish. You made my day! Good luck to all! 
That's where I'm kinda stuck. I don't use drippers normally. I use Kayfun's. I can taste by just wetting the wick & putting a couple of ml in the tank, tho. Then if I need to taste another one just use a different tank.I test using the exact same gear that I vape with every day. I don't rewick between tests either. 100DT's gives about 3 mls, which I can vape for 5 minutes and get the clear flavor of the new mix entirely. If I like it, I stop. If I don't, I remix. First of all, you have to mix to the device you are going to use it in. As many are saying, these juices taste differently in different devices. Why you would formulate in a different device than you will be using all day makes no sense, and is just a waste of money. Rewicking takes time to burn in the new wick. Just put the new juice in a clean tank, vape a minute or two, and see if you're done. Don't make mixing harder than it needs to be. Also, thank you so much TrophyFish. You made my day! Good luck to all!
I test using the exact same gear that I vape with every day. I don't rewick between tests either. 100DT's gives about 3 mls, which I can vape for 5 minutes and get the clear flavor of the new mix entirely. If I like it, I stop. If I don't, I remix. First of all, you have to mix to the device you are going to use it in. As many are saying, these juices taste differently in different devices. Why you would formulate in a different device than you will be using all day makes no sense, and is just a waste of money. Rewicking takes time to burn in the new wick. Just put the new juice in a clean tank, vape a minute or two, and see if you're done. Don't make mixing harder than it needs to be. Also, thank you so much TrophyFish. You made my day! Good luck to all!
I tried typing a response to this three times and deleted it each time because they sounded really harsh. I guess there is not a good way to be a little critical and not sound a little harsh through the screen. Please understand I type this with respect to you and to your method and I always read and enjoy your post. With that being said:
Not every one mixes by your method Sir. In fact, not even most of the people that contribute to this thread use your method. Nothing against it, it is just that most people have there own way and it is most often not the same way as yours. Please consider this when you tell people they HAVE TO mix in a particular way, that they "make no sense" or "waste money" because it may very well be correct for the way they do it. Because something doesn't work with the way you do it doesn't mean it is wrong. I don't use your method because it would not work well for my needs but that doesn't make your method wrong or a waste. Like wise, I am not doing it wrong if my way works for me.
Peace,
John
Yeah, the Derringer and Hobo are the two that I use all day, every day. With the Hobo, do a dual coil (horizontal and centered to the slots in the juice well ring). I'd suggest 3mm ID, spaced, at about 0.3 (I've gone lower, but be careful to stay away from the insulator as much as possible). Then just pull your rayon through, trim your tails down really thin and let 'er rip! Open the lower airflow holes (the ones in front of the coils) all the way. Adjust the upper ones as you see fit. Oh! And lemme know how you like it. That is my all time favorite atty... even after the Derringer, but mostly because it gives great flavor and vapor production but has a pretty good capacity.
I test using the exact same gear that I vape with every day. I don't rewick between tests either. 100DT's gives about 3 mls, which I can vape for 5 minutes and get the clear flavor of the new mix entirely. If I like it, I stop. If I don't, I remix. First of all, you have to mix to the device you are going to use it in. As many are saying, these juices taste differently in different devices. Why you would formulate in a different device than you will be using all day makes no sense, and is just a waste of money. Rewicking takes time to burn in the new wick. Just put the new juice in a clean tank, vape a minute or two, and see if you're done. Don't make mixing harder than it needs to be. Also, thank you so much TrophyFish. You made my day! Good luck to all!
I can see your point. I never put much thought into it because I usually run drippers all day long, and that's what I test with. I don't bother with rewicking either. Don't really have to with rayon because if you vape it almost dry and then drip your new flavor, then the old flavor is completely gone within a pull or two. I gotta say, though, doing that with my tank would be a PITA. Luckily for me the mixes I make for my drippers tend to work fine in the one tank that I run.
Yep... and I have to say, one of the things I like BEST about my new-found obsession (Achilles!) is that there is almost no "break-in period" AT ALL -- maybe 3-4 hits at 8w, then I can go to 8.5w, where I stay most of the time nowadays. That's really the main issue that has weaned me off the Kayfuns, the lack of break-in period in the Achilles. Plus the top-filling, of course!
The flavor from the Magma to the Achilles is so similar as to be no different -- if I like it in a Magma, I'm going to like it, if not love it, in my Achilles. So far the only juice I've vaped that doesn't taste that great in a rebuildable of some kind, is that blueberry muffin, which isn't really a *TRUE* "diy" -- 50% of it is that pre-made I get from sweet-vapes.com, and it still tastes best in a carto. I only "fiddle" with it because a) WTA, and b) more sweetener, and I also add a tad of Blueberry Extra, just because I love really *saturated* flavor.
Andria
As always, John, I share my opinions on here where I think I can be helpful. Occasionally, I may say something in an in-artful way, as my be the case here, and it comes across as harsh or doesn't sit right with someone. Clearly that is the case with you on this post. I mean no offense, and make suggestions based on my experience to help the new member. The issue I was addressing is that sometimes the new vaper thinks they need to buy a device to be used just for testing juices. I bought many. After vaping for many years, I found, for me, that I needed to use the same device to test with, as I vape with everyday, because juice tastes differently in different devices. Now, I don't think anyone would argue the point, but, perhaps you see that differently, as well, and that's fine with me!
Then, there is the issue of rewicking. Does one have to rewick between testing and tests? I think not, but, there's nothing wrong if one does do it this way, it's just not necessary, as I've explained.....for me. So, if I don't need to use a different device, and since I'm mixing for the device I'm going to be using to vape with, in hindsight, it became clear that I didn't need different test devices for mixing and vaping. For me, it was, and is, a waste of time and money. That is my point, my opinion, if you will, based on my experience. If you believe that I think everyone needs to vape and test this way, then you're simply wrong, and you don't know me at all. I almost always insist that everything I do must be changed and tailored to match everyone's individual taste sensitivities. This is in no way different, and while I might have needed to be clearer in my expression, I never intended what you have assumed from my post, and so I want to correct that for you and for the record. Personally, I don't really care how anyone vapes, only that they find a way to vape, quit smoking, save some money, hopefully, and never return to smoking.
That's what I'm all about, John. Helping the new mixologist. From the beginning, everything I've written flies in the face of the way many people mix and vape. I'm speaking mostly of the long steep crowd. I've explained many times why that never worked for me, though, I've also acknowledged that it is a valid way to mix juices. I nearly quit mixing until I luckily found the way I discuss here, and I will continue to share my experiences to help the new members, and without a great deal of concern on whether it flies in the face of the long steeping method. The way I do it works for me, and from what I know to be true, many others as well. Clearly, though, it's not for everyone, and I've received more than my fair share of criticism for going against the grain on this issue.
Of course, there are different ways to do all of this. We all know it, and we've all discussed this issue many times. I try not to address it too often as it upsets some, like you, perhaps, and I try to avoid that. I do appreciate any constructive criticism that comes my way. In this case, I could have been more careful in my writing, because I never intended to infer that there is only one way to do any of this. However, there are many voices that talk about the long steep method of mixing, and very few that do it with high flavor mixes and shake and vape. I'm an ATM kinda mixer and believe strongly in the method. It's faster and more efficient, for sure (just my opinion John), and most commercial juice makers use it.
I did vape some year old stuff yesterday and it was pretty good. Better than shake and vape? I couldn't tell a difference honestly. But I appreciate your taking the time to express your feelings on this matter. I will redouble my efforts to remain clear in expression, always acknowledging that YMMV, so that you don't have to worry about whatever drivel I may be telling the new members. By the way, the way I do it does save me both time and money....but that's just me, I guess. Good luck to you!
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The HFM method is the only reason I stuck with DIY and the 100DT has made a huge difference for me. I appreciate all of the help that you've given and the recipes that you've shared. Thanks Bill!
I used kayfun's when they first came out and switched to the Taifun. Very similar type of vape, btw. The most important difference is the filling. Taifun is a bottom filler, and so lends itself to refilling the tank quickly and easily. I have about 25 different tanks for the Taifun, so testing with a different tank is simple. These tanks are about $1 or less from China.
I do believe that you can do the same with the Kayfun, though, I'm not current on the their replacement tanks. Even kayfun's though can be refilled and emptied on the go, by turning the device when filling from the top, or that was how it was way back when. Perhaps it is still possible to do this now, I'm not sure. Good luck in your vaping and mixing!
Thanks Hittman! I do appreciate the support!
From time to time, a long steeper creeps on here and gets quite upset with HFM, 100DT's, etc., and, for some reason, cannot see that this is just another valid way of mixing. It's strengths are in time. It's incredibly easy to get to an ADV in 30 minutes or less, and generally with less than 8 total mixes. Done it a hundred times personally.
However, for the long steep crowd, making an ADV is more a work of art, and requires perhaps months of careful research and experimentation. Eventually, but not always, a masterpiece emerges, and there is a tremendous sense of pride in its making. I get all that. The fact that I can copy and improve on the juice in 30 minutes just doesn't sit well with some. To me, it's just a different strokes issue...all valid, and whatever moves your boat is fine. The problem comes in when I elect NOT to adopt their methods, then I'm a bad boy. Rather than acknowledge the many ways to do DIY, they attack the HFM method, and sometimes me personally. This happens about ten times a year since I have been sharing on this thread, so I'm used to it. Anyone that knows me, knows that I believe there is no one way to do any of this, and all of us must adjust and tailor our efforts to suit our own taste preferences.
It is a simple fact, though, that HFM will produce a good vapeable juice faster than the long steep method. From my point of view, the long steep method cannot produce a juice that cannot be replicated with the HFM, the lone exception being tobacco juices. I believe they could be made quickly as well, but since I don't vape them, I've not worked on it much. I did make Brandon's Choice, which I've been told is good and an ADV for tobacco flavor vapers. Tastes awful to me!
Thanks again, for the support, and I wish you well in your VapeQuest!
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Easiest to build single-coil, as the deck is SUPER-tiny. I did enlarge the air hole on each, and I build anywhere from 1.0-1.5 ohm. It's nice having multiple built - I can taste lots fairly quickly.
I have a couple Atomics, but my new love is the Velocity.
Welcome to TFA-land. I *LOVE* mixing my own juices. And as always, special thanks to Bill and ITTechy for all the work they did accumulating recipes and loading a dropbox with tons of information.
Easiest to build single-coil, as the deck is SUPER-tiny. I did enlarge the air hole on each, and I build anywhere from 1.0-1.5 ohm. It's nice having multiple built - I can taste lots fairly quickly.
I have a couple Atomics, but my new love is the Velocity.
Welcome to TFA-land. I *LOVE* mixing my own juices. And as always, special thanks to Bill and ITTechy for all the work they did accumulating recipes and loading a dropbox with tons of information.
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