The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[Capt.shay]

Really?? $10/120ml?? Iza gotz to go there! I've been getting mine from ECX at $13.99/120ml/100mg/100%VG.

ETA: 2 questions..
1. What's "EU Sourced"? and...
2. "Throat Hit Nicotine" - I'm assuming it means what it says?? in a VG base??

European sourced as apposed to other more thirdwordly places (not sure it matters but I believe that is what they are referring to)

Throat hit is suppose to be greater than their supper clean premium line. Considered about medium compared to most other brand nic. You probably want to go with the PG base because it is a lot easier to handle. Either are available and acceptable.

I just pulled the trigger on some for the freezer just in case section. Check out more in this thread Nicotine Comparisons

 

[AndriaD]

Really?? $10/120ml?? Iza gotz to go there! I've been getting mine from ECX at $13.99/120ml/100mg/100%VG.

ETA: 2 questions..
1. What's "EU Sourced"? and...
2. "Throat Hit Nicotine" - I'm assuming it means what it says?? in a VG base??

Not sure what "EU" sourced actually means, but *think* it comes from the UK -- I *think*.

Couldn't say one way or the other about VG base, as I never get that; always PG base for me. But it really doesn't seem to be anymore TH than WizLabs' nic; I buy it because it's so cheap, and doesn't seem to have anything "wrong" with it -- the only evidence I can see for the "controlled oxidation" is the slightly pinkish color. I don't taste or smell anything in particular from it, beyond the usual very faint scent when I'm pouring the 100mg into 30ml glass bottles.

I do know that VT's pkging is outstanding; it comes in a sealed plastic bag, and the cap has very stout packing tape around it; never seen a leak at all.

Andria

 

[Kenna]

Not sure what "EU" sourced actually means, but *think* it comes from the UK -- I *think*.

Couldn't say one way or the other about VG base, as I never get that; always PG base for me. But it really doesn't seem to be anymore TH than WizLabs' nic; I buy it because it's so cheap, and doesn't seem to have anything "wrong" with it -- the only evidence I can see for the "controlled oxidation" is the slightly pinkish color. I don't taste or smell anything in particular from it, beyond the usual very faint scent when I'm pouring the 100mg into 30ml glass bottles.

I do know that VT's pkging is outstanding; it comes in a sealed plastic bag, and the cap has very stout packing tape around it; never seen a leak at all.

Andria

Ive bought from MFS, & ECX & they both have the heavy lid seal & vac packed in a heavy plastic bag. MFS liters come in a big plastc bottle, ECX comes in more compact jug that takes up less freezer space. I've only opened one liter to break down & it was one 100mg/ml from MFS. I put it into 120ml amber, wide mouth, boston rounds. I used those little foam pads that some juice companies use to wrap glass bottles in when they ship to you to wrap around my bottles & sealed that with packing tape. I'd been saving them since right after I started vaping & found out about diy juice. I knew I'd be going there to save $$. Those pads fit around my bottles perfectly. They do leave the very top & the bottom exposed, but I put 7 bottles back into the box I got them in, & brought 1½ bottles home to use. The others are in the closed box in the freezer with the rest of my nic that hasn't been touched. I'm not worried about the miniscule amount of light they might be occasionally exposed to since it's not sunlight, but only from the freezer light, & the ceiling light in an otherwise dark garage. I think leaving it sitting in the open where there.s constant light from windows, or house lighting would break it down. Even the bottles I brought home are just in drawer in a dark closet. Good enough for me.

 

[AndriaD]

Ive bought from MFS, & ECX & they both have the heavy lid seal & vac packed in a heavy plastic bag. MFS liters come in a big plastc bottle, ECX comes in more compact jug that takes up less freezer space. I've only opened one liter to break down & it was one 100mg/ml from MFS. I put it into 120ml amber, wide mouth, boston rounds. I used those little foam pads that some juice companies use to wrap glass bottles in when they ship to you to wrap around my bottles & sealed that with packing tape. I'd been saving them since right after I started vaping & found out about diy juice. I knew I'd be going there to save $$. Those pads fit around my bottles perfectly. They do leave the very top & the bottom exposed, but I put 7 bottles back into the box I got them in, & brought 1½ bottles home to use. The others are in the closed box in the freezer with the rest of my nic that hasn't been touched. I'm not worried about the miniscule amount of light they might be occasionally exposed to since it's not sunlight, but only from the freezer light, & the ceiling light in an otherwise dark garage. I think leaving it sitting in the open where there.s constant light from windows, or house lighting would break it down. Even the bottles I brought home are just in drawer in a dark closet. Good enough for me.

I ordered nic once from ECX, and was very unhappy with the pkging they were using at the time -- sometime last summer (2014) I think. It was only in one bag, which was a ziplock rather than a sealed bag, and the bottle, whose cap was not taped, had leaked a considerable amount into that ziplock; probably at least 5ml, maybe closer to 10ml -- if it had breached the single ziplock bag, it would have been a big mess, and even a rather hazardous mess, considering how easily nicotine penetrates the skin. Though I don't normally wear gloves when pouring the nic into 30ml glass bottles, for that order I had to wear gloves just to open the ziplock and clean up the bottle. I don't know if they improved their pkging, because I never ordered nic from them again, after that.

I contrast that with VapersTek sending theirs in a bottle with a firmly taped cap, inside a sealed bag, and WizLabs sending theirs in *3* sealed bags. That's really the only reason I mentioned the pkging.

Andria

 

[Capt.shay]

The stronger the nic solution the darker brownish it is.

I have not found this to be true with the Nic. I have handled. The 100mg/ml nic that I have been getting, from several sources, is clear to a slight pink. If your nic is brownish it could well be that it has oxidated. It may get lighter when you dilute it because you are diluting it with a clear liquid. Oxidation isn't necessarily bad but it is not the natural state of 100mg/ml that I have handled.

MFS liters come in a big plastc bottle, ECX comes in more compact jug that takes up less freezer space.

I have seen it recommended here many times to not do long term storage in plastic. It is recommended that you store it in glass in the freezer.

 

[Kenna]

I ordered nic once from ECX, and was very unhappy with the pkging they were using at the time -- sometime last summer (2014) I think. It was only in one bag, which was a ziplock rather than a sealed bag, and the bottle, whose cap was not taped, had leaked a considerable amount into that ziplock; probably at least 5ml, maybe closer to 10ml -- if it had breached the single ziplock bag, it would have been a big mess, and even a rather hazardous mess, considering how easily nicotine penetrates the skin. Though I don't normally wear gloves when pouring the nic into 30ml glass bottles, for that order I had to wear gloves just to open the ziplock and clean up the bottle. I don't know if they improved their pkging, because I never ordered nic from them again, after that.

I contrast that with VapersTek sending theirs in a bottle with a firmly taped cap, inside a sealed bag, and WizLabs sending theirs in *3* sealed bags. That's really the only reason I mentioned the pkging.

Andria

That was not good at all! I can.t even imagine the disaster if it had breached that ziplock. Did you contact them?

 

[hittman]

I've bought from MFS and RTS. Both packaged and shipped well. I had some a long time ago from GP that was pretty yellow but the others have been mostly clear.

 

[AndriaD]

That was not good at all! I can.t even imagine the disaster if it had breached that ziplock. Did you contact them?

No... it was a small enough amount that I didn't feel particularly "cheated" in terms of quantity; just resolved to never order nicotine from them again. Still order flavors from them sometimes -- they're the only place I know of, to get FA's Flash, or anything from Lorann (though I've still never found Lorann's Cream Cheese Icing in-stock when I actually had the money to buy it!). But I admit I'm not wild about ordering from them, thx to the sheer insanity of the USPS in their area -- I once had a pkg from them that bounced THREE TIMES between Bellingham and Seattle before finally managing to escape WA state, and one other time it just sat in Bellingham for nearly a week. I'd much prefer to order flavors from BCV, since they're so close to me; I've seen some USPS-hijinks in the Durham area, but usually I can get orders from them inside 3 days.

Andria

 

[Yiana]

No....t was a small enough amount that I didn't feel particularly "cheated" in terms of quantity; just resolved to never order nicotine from them again. Still order flavors from them sometimes -- they're the only place I know of, to get FA's Flash, or anything from Lorann (though I've still never found Lorann's Cream Cheese Icing in-stock when I actually had the money to buy it!). But I admit I'm not wild about ordering from them, thx to the sheer insanity of the USPS in their area -- I once had a pkg from them that bounced THREE TIMES between Bellingham and Seattle before finally managing to escape WA state, and one other time it just sat in Bellingham for nearly a week. I'd much prefer to order flavors from BCV, since they're so close to me; I've seen some USPS-hijinks in the Durham area, but usually I can get orders from them inside 3 days.

Andria

I love BCV. I live in Tennessee, and I just get first class mail when I order from them. Usually 2 days, but last week it took 3 days. Probably because of holiday shipping. However, my order from MFS wound up in Texas for a couple days. Go figure.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I go with either BCV or Ecigexpress 90% of the time and use the cheapest shipping on both. I get shipments from both in just a few days.

 

[Simply Red]

Read all the posts about the nic ^^^up there and thanks for the info! I'll be checking out VT the next time I order. I've had 1 customer tell me they taste a lite "peppery" taste in the eliquid I sent. That's 1 too many.

 

[AndriaD]

I love BCV. I live in Tennessee, and I just get first class mail when I order from them. Usually 2 days, but last week it took 3 days. Probably because of holiday shipping. However, my order from MFS wound up in Texas for a couple days. Go figure.

I go with either BCV or Ecigexpress 90% of the time and use the cheapest shipping on both. I get shipments from both in just a few days.

I'd say it's about 50/50 for me, for decent shipping time from ECX -- some orders were fine, 3-5 days, some took forever because of the Bellingham hijinks.

*Usually* I get orders from BCV in 3 days.... but once or twice, Durham was a black hole. The main thing I don't get is why they go from Durham to Raleigh then back to Durham? When it could just come straight down I-85 to ATL from Durham.

Andria

 

[Kenna]

No... it was a small enough amount that I didn't feel particularly "cheated" in terms of quantity; just resolved to never order nicotine from them again. Still order flavors from them sometimes -- they're the only place I know of, to get FA's Flash, or anything from Lorann (though I've still never found Lorann's Cream Cheese Icing in-stock when I actually had the money to buy it!). But I admit I'm not wild about ordering from them, thx to the sheer insanity of the USPS in their area -- I once had a pkg from them that bounced THREE TIMES between Bellingham and Seattle before finally managing to escape WA state, and one other time it just sat in Bellingham for nearly a week. I'd much prefer to order flavors from BCV, since they're so close to me; I've seen some USPS-hijinks in the Durham area, but usually I can get orders from them inside 3 days.

Andria

BVC is faster for me, too. Anything from Florida or anywhere on the west coast takes 7-10 days.

 

[haleysdadda]

Why doesn't anyone speak of VZ either way love or hate? DIYing for a week or so and Heartland Vapes & Vaping Zone are the only ones I've purchased from. Are these good choices quality wise?

 

[Simply Red]

Why doesn't anyone speak of VZ either way love or hate? DIYing for a week or so and Heartland Vapes & Vaping Zone are the only ones I've purchased from. Are these good choices quality wise?

Imho, quality, yes. Pricing, not so much. There are places out there with just as good a quality, or better, with better pricing.

 

[haleysdadda]

Imho, quality, yes. Pricing, not so much. There are places out there with just as good a quality, or better, with better pricing.

Are they a secret? Where do you go?

 

[hittman]

I've never ordered from either one of them so can't speak on quality or price. I have ordered from MFS, BCV, TPA, and Wizard Labs.

 

[Simply Red]

Are they a secret? Where do you go?

PG and VG I get off Amazon. Nic, I'm trying VT next time. As far as flavors go, I'll use ECX, BCV, CHV and TFA

 

[b.m.]

Are they a secret? Where do you go?

I've ordered several times from Heartland,mostly my nic.,but i have also bought some flavors while ordering the nic.They are not bad on their prices,but to get a bit better price,check Bull city vapor.They carry just about all the brands of flavors at great prices.If you find a Tfa flavor you like and want to buy the big bottle,go direct through Tfa though.Sign up for an account with them,and then upgrade it to a bulk account,it's free to do,just have to submit,and they will approve it.I don't buy my small bottles from them,but the big ones are cheapest that way.

 

[sketchness]

Why doesn't anyone speak of VZ either way love or hate? DIYing for a week or so and Heartland Vapes & Vaping Zone are the only ones I've purchased from. Are these good choices quality wise?

Nicotine from both of these places is are sort of for the strong throat hit crowd. VZ is pretty steep for nic that is harsh to me. Heartland has a really good price on nic by the liter and is a stronger flavor, but considering the price a good deal. They also have some pretty cheap prices on the 4 oz here and there. The inconsistent pricing is a little maddening on flavors. heartland is a great place to buy a bunch of glass bottles as they have a flat rate ship method that makes it pretty cheap if you buy a bunch.

When I fisrt started I bought some VZ super concentrated flavors. They were expensive and to me they tasted terrible. Not any sort of knock on VZ as they just rebottle. but man those were awful.

I really really like Bull City and shipping from them is always pretty darn quick