If you google the forumula 3-Hydroxy-2-methyl-4-pyrone it bring ups the wiki version of Maltol as Kurt listed the link above.
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I know, that's the wiki I read before I started this. It's STILL the ingredient in TFA "SWEETNER", maybe a better way to pose the question is what are the differences, as it's an ingredient NOT listed in the product description. Sorry, I'm not a chemist.
FROM THE WIKI:
Maltol is a naturally occurring organic compound that is used primarily as a flavor enhancer. It is found in the bark of larch tree, in pine needles, and in roasted malt (from which it gets its name). It is a white crystalline powder that is soluble in hot water, chloroform, and other polar solvents. Because it has the odor of cotton candy and caramel, maltol is used to impart a sweet aroma to fragrances. Maltol's sweetness adds to the odor of freshly baked bread, and is used as a flavor enhancer (INS Number 636) in breads and cakes. It is not registered as a food additive in the EU and thus has no E-number.[1] Instead, maltol is registered as a flavor component in the EU.[2]
Maltol, like related 3-hydroxy-4-pyrones such as kojic acid, binds to hardmetal centers such as Fe3+, Ga3+, Al3+, and VO2+.[3] Related to this property, maltol has been reported to greatly increase aluminum uptake in the body[4] and to increase the oral bioavailability of gallium[5] and iron.[6]
I am not a chemist either, so based on the descriptions of what Kurt listed, if I were to use some sort of sweetener, I would go with EM since it is totally different from the Maltol you just listed.
jmho.
I use EM in (twitch) 17 of the 25 (twitch, twitch) flavors that (twitch, twitch, twitch) I make and I have (TWITCH, TWITCH,TWITCH!!) no issues at all. (twitch)
I am not a chemist either, so based on the descriptions of what Kurt listed, if I were to use some sort of sweetener, I would go with EM since it is totally different from the Maltol you just listed.
jmho.
After reading the wiki's for both, a third time, I believe they are a lot more alike, then different, which would account for the mistaken published view by experienced mixers, that TFA "sweetner" has EM in it. It certainly has more then just sucralose in it.
TFA SWEETNER SDS:
Propylene glycol: 42-47%
3-Hydroxy-2-methyl-4-pyrone: <5%
Water: 46-56%
Sucralose: <5%
Interesting....the chemical name for EM is 2-Ethyl-3-hydroxy-4-pyranone. So this one is used for taste(EM) and the other(3-Hydroxy-2-methyl-4-pyrone, which is in the sweetner) is used for aroma. At least that is what I am getting out of reading both of the definitions on wiki.
TWA Sweetener has probably mixed the Sucralose, and Maltol to obtain a sweeter taste.
It's well know that when using sugar substitutes to cook with, that using two different kinds together will bring out more sweetness.
Kinda like using the strawberry flavorings from two different company's in a recipe, will bring out a better strawberry flavor.
Same goes for most flavors, and I bet that's what's behind the reasoning with the TWA Sweetener.... going for maximum sweetness.
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It's well know that when using sugar substitutes to cook with, that using two different kinds together will bring out more sweetness.
Kinda like using the strawberry flavorings from two different company's in a recipe, will bring out a better strawberry flavor.
Same goes for most flavors, and I bet that's what's behind the reasoning with the TWA Sweetener.... going for maximum sweetness.
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What I liked most about the recipe was what the toffee did to the peanut butter. I let it steep for almost two weeks before I tried it. To me, it just gave the peanut butter flavor a nudge toward that brittle flavor I so enjoy.
Haven't tried the toffee on it's own yet.
I made my 6th 500 ml bottle a couple of days ago.this one?
few weeks ago...
I made this one the other day I found on this forum somewhere and it is pretty tasty but hopefully will get even better with age:
I have since made a couple small changes to it.
I use cotton candy instead of "Sweet Flavor" and add up to 2% Acetyl Pyrazine.
Been using that in there for quite a while now, probably by the 3rd bottle.Correct, the English Toffee.
Bet the added AP really goes well in this.
This DIY thing is becoming a bit of an obsession. I have 10+ 20ml tester bottles steeping and 30+ recipes and single flavors in my 'to test' category of my recipe calculator.... And a few big bottles of ADV bought and steeped recipes which will obviously continue to grow. I also have multiple carts of flavorings loaded up that would cost 100's of dollars but have enough flavors on hand to make many liters of juice lol.
The only other person in the house that vapes won't try anything but the TFA western tobacco + cap menthol she likes. Luckily I remembered one of my buddies back in my home town vapes so I left him the 2 x 15ml bottles of RY2k and Deadly Sin I had with me when I was up there last and he really liked the Deadly Sin so I will be taking him some of the clone of it I made and some bottles of other stuff I end up mixing in bigger batches I think.
The only other person in the house that vapes won't try anything but the TFA western tobacco + cap menthol she likes. Luckily I remembered one of my buddies back in my home town vapes so I left him the 2 x 15ml bottles of RY2k and Deadly Sin I had with me when I was up there last and he really liked the Deadly Sin so I will be taking him some of the clone of it I made and some bottles of other stuff I end up mixing in bigger batches I think.
It definitely does,and pretty fast too haha.For about a year,i ordered 3-5 new flavors almost every week.I wanted to be able to look at any recipe and know i had all the flavors for it,but it never failed,the next one to pop up,i was missing 1 flavor,so the following week,that one would get added to the cart for the week haha.
Diy started as a cost saving thing for me,because the shop that is close to me was charging $12 for a 15ml,and $21 for a 30ml of their house brand juice,and i was going through about 40ml a week,so it got expensive fast,and the juice was not good.After i started diy and found some really good recipes,the cost saving thing went out the window,i started a full on quest to try every flavor haha.
To me, EM is a flavor weakener. It seems like when I use it, my primary flavor weakens over time. Am I the only one that experiences that?
What % were you using it at?It will definitely mute other flavors when using at higher %,some people use it like that to smooth out other flavors.
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