The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[dopamine1]

Some reviews of TFA flavors.

*These ones were mixed in premade 18mg 50/50 unflavored and I think there might be a problem with it, the 0mg base I mixed myself seems to taste MUCH cleaner. So with some of them I'm not sure if the flavor or the base liquid is the problem.

*Berry Crunch 15% - At first the cereal flavor was strong and I liked this one a lot, but after a few days steeping it turned into a weaker berry flavor. 3/5
*Swedish Gummy 7.5% - Pretty good imitation of the gummies, not quite perfect but pretty close. 4/5
*Cherry Cola - Has a weird floral taste to it, noticed the same thing in the ginger ale flavor. Not a fan of this one. 2/5
*Ripe Strawberry 10% - This would be great but it tastes a bit TOO ripe... like a strawberry with a bit of a garbage can scent mixed in. Hoping steeping will remove it. 3/5
*Orange Cream 10% - Pretty good, not strong enough to stand on it's own though. Needs more orange and more cream. 4/5
*Blueberry Extra 10% - Very good flavor, but also very light. 4/5
Acai 5% - Really good, a bit underwhelming, but good. 4/5
Blackberry 5% - Wow. Best one so far. Pretty strong and sweet at 5% but I love it. Good enough to be used alone. 5/5
Chai Tea 10% - Very realistic taste. Not too floral or perfumy for me. 4/5
Cinnamon Red Hot 5% - Powerful flavor. Sticks to your hands, atty, everything it touches. But it is very accurate. Tastes exactly like hot cinnamon candy. Burns at first, then makes your mouth numb. Seems a bit too strong at 5%, I'm going to try 2.5 next time. 4/5
Citrus Punch 10% - Awesome. It tastes exactly like mountain dew. I don't like the drink that much but I love this flavor. 5/5
Ginger Ale 10% - Don't like this at all, doesn't taste like the drink and has a really weird floral taste to it. 2/5
Gummy Candy 7% - Pretty good but it has a bit of a plastic taste to it. Fairly realistic. 4/5
Key Lime 5% - Very good but seems too weak at 5%. 4/5
Pomegranate 7.5% - Same as key lime, good but weak. 4/5
Spearmint 1% - Good flavor. Glad I didn't try 5% like I was planning because this one is potent. 1% even seems like a bit too much to me. 4/5
*Grape juice 10% - I don't know what to think of this one, definitely had a grape drink flavor to it, but there was all kinds of other nastiness going on at the same time, mostly a strong plastic flavor. Going to try it again in a glass bottle and with my own base instead of the pre-mixed stuff I used. 2/5

 

[Mone415]

Some reviews of TFA flavors.

*These ones were mixed in premade 18mg 50/50 unflavored and I think there might be a problem with it, the 0mg base I mixed myself seems to taste MUCH cleaner. So with some of them I'm not sure if the flavor or the base liquid is the problem.

*Berry Crunch 15% - At first the cereal flavor was strong and I liked this one a lot, but after a few days steeping it turned into a weaker berry flavor. 3/5
*Swedish Gummy 7.5% - Pretty good imitation of the gummies, not quite perfect but pretty close. 4/5
*Cherry Cola - Has a weird floral taste to it, noticed the same thing in the ginger ale flavor. Not a fan of this one. 2/5
*Ripe Strawberry 10% - This would be great but it tastes a bit TOO ripe... like a strawberry with a bit of a garbage can scent mixed in. Hoping steeping will remove it. 3/5
*Orange Cream 10% - Pretty good, not strong enough to stand on it's own though. Needs more orange and more cream. 4/5
*Blueberry Extra 10% - Very good flavor, but also very light. 4/5
Acai 5% - Really good, a bit underwhelming, but good. 4/5
Blackberry 5% - Wow. Best one so far. Pretty strong and sweet at 5% but I love it. Good enough to be used alone. 5/5
Chai Tea 10% - Very realistic taste. Not too floral or perfumy for me. 4/5
Cinnamon Red Hot 5% - Powerful flavor. Sticks to your hands, atty, everything it touches. But it is very accurate. Tastes exactly like hot cinnamon candy. Burns at first, then makes your mouth numb. Seems a bit too strong at 5%, I'm going to try 2.5 next time. 4/5
Citrus Punch 10% - Awesome. It tastes exactly like mountain dew. I don't like the drink that much but I love this flavor. 5/5
Ginger Ale 10% - Don't like this at all, doesn't taste like the drink and has a really weird floral taste to it. 2/5
Gummy Candy 7% - Pretty good but it has a bit of a plastic taste to it. Fairly realistic. 4/5
Key Lime 5% - Very good but seems too weak at 5%. 4/5
Pomegranate 7.5% - Same as key lime, good but weak. 4/5
Spearmint 1% - Good flavor. Glad I didn't try 5% like I was planning because this one is potent. 1% even seems like a bit too much to me. 4/5
*Grape Juice 10% - I don't know what to think of this one, definitely had a grape drink flavor to it, but there was all kinds of other nastiness going on at the same time, mostly a strong plastic flavor. Going to try it again in a glass bottle and with my own base instead of the pre-mixed stuff I used. 2/5

Don't know if you've even tried unicorn blood by fuzion but I strongly believe the main flavor is citrus punch. This flavors really good.

 

[vangrl27]

I just ordered a bunch of FA flavours and the vendor threw in a TFA Apricot 10ml bottle for free.

I've never used TFA stuff so I was looking for info on what percentage I should use. My google search brought me to TFA/TPA's website showing "Apricot Fragrance Oil", and no where else on their site do I see another Apricot.

I'm pretty sure that I shouldn't be using this for e-juice, would you agree? or maybe it's from the TFA division but it's been discontinued and that's why I'm not seeing it.

thanks in advance



EDIT - was just informed that it's only in their wholesale line, hence me not seeing it.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I just ordered a bunch of FA flavours and the vendor threw in a TFA Apricot 10ml bottle for free.

I've never used TFA stuff so I was looking for info on what percentage I should use. My google search brought me to TFA/TPA's website showing "Apricot Fragrance Oil", and no where else on their site do I see another Apricot.

I'm pretty sure that I shouldn't be using this for e-juice, would you agree? or maybe it's from the TFA division but it's been discontinued and that's why I'm not seeing it.

thanks in advance



EDIT - was just informed that it's only in their wholesale line, hence me not seeing it.

No fragrance oils in our eliquid!

Best place for starting percentages is right on this thread. I always jump to this thread's percentages, and there are dozens of updates throughout, but I go here usually:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...entice-flavoring-thread-137.html#post10979607

Also, you can search this specific thread for particular flavors. Lotsa of good ideas. The most important thing to remember is to combine flavors to get the best juice. However, the most dominant flavors need to start with the starting percentages from the list above. Thereafter, slowly add the supporting flavors in smaller quantities. Single flavors on their own are often less than spectacular. Fortunately, there are hundreds of recipes on this thread, and many of them are quite delicious. Good luck!

 

[Borescoped]

Hey Bill!

One down side to that list though, is that the newer flavors aren't getting added anymore. For example, I got TFA Orange (Mandarin), didn't see it on there. So, tried it at 5% and I was kinda.... meh.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Hey Bill!

One down side to that list though, is that the newer flavors aren't getting added anymore. For example, I got TFA Orange (Mandarin), didn't see it on there. So, tried it at 5% and I was kinda.... meh.

Hey Buddy!

I use this form to find the sweet spot for any single flavor juice:

View attachment Flavoring Chart.pdf

I go to a lot of trouble to find the sweet spot of the predominant flavor. As such, I will set up three or four different drippers (same model), wicked and coiled the same way. I'll drop three drops and vape at a reasonable wattage to test the flavors and work my way up from 5% to 20% generally, noting differences along the way. Some juices require less than 5%, so if I start at 5%, I'll then just start over at 1% and work my way back up until I find the sweet spot. I do this for all predominant flavors. I have no single juice mixes that I use...EVER. To me, it seems like all flavors need to be enhanced with several flavors to get it to where I like, but that's just me. I do count PG and VG as mix "flavors." As such, my most basic juice is 6 flavors, my most complex juice is 10. Most of my juices are 8, 9 or 10 flavors.

I have only been doing this for two years now, and I couldn't make anything good for the first 6 months. As you say, everything tasted meh...... I ran across a simple cinnamon Danish recipe with 5 flavors (including PG/VG), and it has been my all day vape for the last 18 months. Flavor as follows:

10% TFA Cinnamon Danish
10% Cotton Candy
3% Bavarian Cream

From this little recipe, all my other recipes (now more than 30 ADV's), and more than 100 "good" recipes (with more than 500 "failures"), I have a better idea about flavoring. I also know that I'm only scratching the surface of what may be possible. Rare is the week that I don't work on a new recipe. Some weeks I work on half a dozen new recipes. I also comb other sites and check others' recipes trying to find interesting juices to work on. I get TFA wholesale, which is about a 70% savings, and this has allowed me to buy many new flavors, and larger quantities where I'm not freaked about using flavorings injudiciously anymore. Coupla shots:



As you can see, I have about 150 flavors now that I use routinely. I have a lot of glassware. I make all my juices in bases with my PG. Always at 30%. To make a final juice I will add 70% VG (including nicotine in a VG base). As such, I can make any nicotine strength and at any ratio (with a minimum of 30% PG). Also, by making bases, the juice is always steeped. The flavor bonds are already formed in the bases, so my juices are always ready to go once fully mixed. I keep my bases in 500 ml reagent bottles usually with 100 - 200 ml (representing 30% of the final mixture). This means I can literally mix up 300 to 600 ml anytime I want. Since I supply a good number of people with juice (family and friends), this method has worked well for me.

Regarding the starting percentages, some of the newer percentages are not included, which is why I developed the flavoring chart. If you get the predominant flavors right, and adjust flavorings to taste with other flavors, as I do, I have found this method works best for me. At any given time, I keep at least 20 bases in my reagent jars. I have found they work great for mixing and storage and hold plenty of base flavoring up to 500 ml or about 17 ounces. That's plenty for my needs and for supplying the neighborhood, so to speak.

As you mentioned, the charts are not being updated any longer, yet the increase in new flavorings is quite amazing. I have at least 10 new flavors that I haven't started on, though I have penciled out the probable recipes. I just need more time!! I am contributing to this thread in the hopes that others will also contribute and we can all learn a lot more about making great juice.

I still do taste testings at local vape shops. From these testings I get ideas about new flavors. I will try to match some of these mixtures, and then adjust to suit my preferences. Several vendors have asked me to develop "copied" flavors, and I have found that I can do this within a day or two relatively easy these days. I always flavor to suit my preferences, so my copies are really my own take on others' flavorings, for the most part.

The last point is that juices don't need a lot of steeping time. If the mix is not really good right off the bat (instantly), it's never going to be a great juice. This is not to say that it won't improve, but you can't go from poor to great. You can go from very good to great. This took a long time for me to realize, but this realization actually helped me to understand the process better, and makes developing flavors much, much quicker. If it's really good right off the tap, so to speak, it may become great in a day or two. Usually, it needs to be really great off the tap, and then becomes more complex over time, where multiple flavors can be detected wit the vape at the right temperature. So, my point is that if it's not really, really good at first mix, dump it and try again. This is the only way to make great juice that I have found. Just my two cents...

 

[b.m.]

I've been making a cinnamon danish similar to your's,i have been doing 10% cinnamon danish,3% bavarian cream,and 1% ez sweetz sweetener.Comes out really good,i may have to try yours though.Question though,i have read alot about cotton candy/em muting the flavor at higher percentages,do you get any of that with your mix on this one,like any noticable fade over time?I make up a big enough bottle to last a few weeks,so i dont want it to fade a week into it.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I've been making a cinnamon danish similar to your's,i have been doing 10% cinnamon danish,3% bavarian cream,and 1% ez sweetz sweetener.Comes out really good,i may have to try yours though.Question though,i have read alot about cotton candy/em muting the flavor at higher percentages,do you get any of that with your mix on this one,like any noticable fade over time?I make up a big enough bottle to last a few weeks,so i dont want it to fade a week into it.

No I haven't noticed any changes in flavor over time. I like my juices sweet, so flavor to preference. When I first make Cinnamon Danish, I actually used double all of the percentages, i.e., 20% CD, 20% CC, 6% Bavarian Cream, and then found over time that I could reduce it. This was because I couldn't taste much of anything when I vaped the first year full time. I could probably reduce the flavors again, but I like it as it is, so why change? Like you, I too make up large bottles, but only after I'm sure of a particular flavor. In the case of CD, I make up generally a 180 ml base (30% PG), which is what I keep the flavoring in, then add VG/VG Nic for full mixtures in 240 ml bottles. So, a 180 ml base will make about 600 ml of finished juice.

 

[Mone415]

Hey Buddy!

I use this form to find the sweet spot for any single flavor juice:

View attachment 367702

I go to a lot of trouble to find the sweet spot of the predominant flavor. As such, I will set up three or four different drippers (same model), wicked and coiled the same way. I'll drop three drops and vape at a reasonable wattage to test the flavors and work my way up from 5% to 20% generally, noting differences along the way. Some juices require less than 5%, so if I start at 5%, I'll then just start over at 1% and work my way back up until I find the sweet spot. I do this for all predominant flavors. I have no single juice mixes that I use...EVER. To me, it seems like all flavors need to be enhanced with several flavors to get it to where I like, but that's just me. I do count PG and VG as mix "flavors." As such, my most basic juice is 6 flavors, my most complex juice is 10. Most of my juices are 8, 9 or 10 flavors.

I have only been doing this for two years now, and I couldn't make anything good for the first 6 months. As you say, everything tasted meh...... I ran across a simple cinnamon Danish recipe with 5 flavors (including PG/VG), and it has been my all day vape for the last 18 months. Flavor as follows:

10% TFA Cinnamon Danish
10% Cotton Candy
3% Bavarian Cream

From this little recipe, all my other recipes (now more than 30 ADV's), and more than 100 "good" recipes (with more than 500 "failures"), I have a better idea about flavoring. I also know that I'm only scratching the surface of what may be possible. Rare is the week that I don't work on a new recipe. Some weeks I work on half a dozen new recipes. I also comb other sites and check others' recipes trying to find interesting juices to work on. I get TFA wholesale, which is about a 70% savings, and this has allowed me to buy many new flavors, and larger quantities where I'm not freaked about using flavorings injudiciously anymore. Coupla shots:

View attachment 367703View attachment 367704View attachment 367705

As you can see, I have about 150 flavors now that I use routinely. I have a lot of glassware. I make all my juices in bases with my PG. Always at 30%. To make a final juice I will add 70% VG (including nicotine in a VG base). As such, I can make any nicotine strength and at any ratio (with a minimum of 30% PG). Also, by making bases, the juice is always steeped. The flavor bonds are already formed in the bases, so my juices are always ready to go once fully mixed. I keep my bases in 500 ml reagent bottles usually with 100 - 200 ml (representing 30% of the final mixture). This means I can literally mix up 300 to 600 ml anytime I want. Since I supply a good number of people with juice (family and friends), this method has worked well for me.

Regarding the starting percentages, some of the newer percentages are not included, which is why I developed the flavoring chart. If you get the predominant flavors right, and adjust flavorings to taste with other flavors, as I do, I have found this method works best for me. At any given time, I keep at least 20 bases in my reagent jars. I have found they work great for mixing and storage and hold plenty of base flavoring up to 500 ml or about 17 ounces. That's plenty for my needs and for supplying the neighborhood, so to speak.

As you mentioned, the charts are not being updated any longer, yet the increase in new flavorings is quite amazing. I have at least 10 new flavors that I haven't started on, though I have penciled out the probable recipes. I just need more time!! I am contributing to this thread in the hopes that others will also contribute and we can all learn a lot more about making great juice.

I still do taste testings at local vape shops. From these testings I get ideas about new flavors. I will try to match some of these mixtures, and then adjust to suit my preferences. Several vendors have asked me to develop "copied" flavors, and I have found that I can do this within a day or two relatively easy these days. I always flavor to suit my preferences, so my copies are really my own take on others' flavorings, for the most part.

The last point is that juices don't need a lot of steeping time. If the mix is not really good right off the bat (instantly), it's never going to be a great juice. This is not to say that it won't improve, but you can't go from poor to great. You can go from very good to great. This took a long time for me to realize, but this realization actually helped me to understand the process better, and makes developing flavors much, much quicker. If it's really good right off the tap, so to speak, it may become great in a day or two. Usually, it needs to be really great off the tap, and then becomes more complex over time, where multiple flavors can be detected wit the vape at the right temperature. So, my point is that if it's not really, really good at first mix, dump it and try again. This is the only way to make great juice that I have found. Just my two cents...

I don't get how the flavors are steeped if you're only adding extra pg that most flavors are already carried in. Wouldn't the mix or base still have to meld with VG for another steep time as VG most of the time takes uh while for flavors to come thru?

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I don't get how the flavors are steeped if you're only adding extra pg that most flavors are already carried in. Wouldn't the mix or base still have to meld with VG for another steep time as VG most of the time takes uh while for flavors to come thru?

The flavor bonds and PG are all bonded together in the bases. Adding the VG at any ratio later vapes great, right off the bat, though may improve slightly in a day or two. With complex mixes, the flavor bonds among all the flavors does bond completely in the PG. So the base and all the bonded complex flavors mix with the VG, which acts more like a carrier as the flavors are all already bonded. I have found this to be true with all my mixes.

 

[Heabob]

One down side to that list though, is that the newer flavors aren't getting added anymore. For example, I got TFA Orange (Mandarin), didn't see it on there. So, tried it at 5% and I was kinda.... meh.

With most TFA flavors I start at 10% when used as the main flavoring, with some exceptions.
Chocolates, Tiramisu, Coffees, and Tobaccos, being some of the exceptions.
And probably some others I forgot too.

 

[Mone415]

The flavor bonds and PG are all bonded together in the bases. Adding the VG at any ratio later vapes great, right off the bat, though may improve slightly in a day or two. With complex mixes, the flavor bonds among all the flavors does bond completely in the PG. So the base and all the bonded complex flavors mix with the VG, which acts more like a carrier as the flavors are all already bonded. I have found this to be true with all my mixes.

Hmm interesting. So this so this is obviously done after samples of flavors have been figured out and recipes are aready created. Interesting technique. Gonna haftuh try this out. Do u ever heat steep ur pg flavor bases? Or jus let them naturally cure?

EDIT: Also I'm not very fond of pg so I assume same technique would work with VG the same way?

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Hmm interesting. So this so this is obviously done after samples of flavors have been figured out and recipes are aready created. Interesting technique. Gonna haftuh try this out. Do u ever heat steep ur pg flavor bases? Or jus let them naturally cure?

EDIT: Also I'm not very fond of pg so I assume same technique would work with VG the same way?

Yes, for completed recipes only. I stumbled upon this method when local vendors would ask me for certain juices, but with strengths and in quantities without advance notice, and with the requirement that they be steeped upon delivery. Since the added VG (in my case) was both a carrier and a diluting agent, but not a flavoring, the bases in PG (again, in my case) had to be pre-blended to form the flavor bonds as long term or heated steeping would do. Once I added the VG, I noticed that the juices were virtually identical to juices that had been made and allowed to steep for several days. I would be quite surprised if anyone could tell the difference, and I've had no complaints. Also, for my own personal use, I can make a juice for any strength, at any time, depending on my mood, needs, etc. for a particular day. For example, on those most stressful days, sometimes I'll up the nic by 6 mg/ml. Also, since I make juice for family and friends, I can't reasonably keep a supply of 30 juices around in sufficient quantities at nic strengths between 0 and 24, not to mention bottling costs, storage, etc. My Bases look like this:



My personal "stash" at 6 mg/ml looks like this:



And my daily supply looks like this:



I would assume that the same would be true for VG as well. Since the flavoring is not coming from the carrier/diluting agent, I can't see why it would make a difference. I would recommend trying it with a small sample and see if it works for you. With this method, all my bases exist as 30% PG flavors. So, I know that any juice will add 70% VG including whatever VG nic may be required for any particular volume. So, very easy to remember how to mix any juice. Also, if I wish to make a 50/50 PG/VG mixture, I can do that too just by adding another 20% PG and only 50% VG.

I also add about 1/10 of 1% of citric acid to my bases as a preservative and anti-bacterial agent. That way, even if a flavor was mixed with water somewhere along the way, the flavor bases will last almost indefinitely. At those small percentages, there is no change to the flavor. Anyway, I found this to be a good solution to some of the issues I found facing "immediate orders." Works for me. My two cents...

 

[Mone415]

Yes, for completed recipes only. I stumbled upon this method when local vendors would ask me for certain juices, but with strengths and in quantities without advance notice, and with the requirement that they be steeped upon delivery. Since the added VG (in my case) was both a carrier and a diluting agent, but not a flavoring, the bases in PG (again, in my case) had to be pre-blended to form the flavor bonds as long term or heated steeping would do. Once I added the VG, I noticed that the juices were virtually identical to juices that had been made and allowed to steep for several days. I would be quite surprised if anyone could tell the difference, and I've had no complaints. Also, for my own personal use, I can make a juice for any strength, at any time, depending on my mood, needs, etc. for a particular day. For example, on those most stressful days, sometimes I'll up the nic by 6 mg/ml. Also, since I make juice for family and friends, I can't reasonably keep a supply of 30 juices around in sufficient quantities at nic strengths between 0 and 24, not to mention bottling costs, storage, etc. My Bases look like this:

View attachment 367787

My personal "stash" at 6 mg/ml looks like this:

View attachment 367788

And my daily supply looks like this:

View attachment 367789

I would assume that the same would be true for VG as well. Since the flavoring is not coming from the carrier/diluting agent, I can't see why it would make a difference. I would recommend trying it with a small sample and see if it works for you. With this method, all my bases exist as 30% PG flavors. So, I know that any juice will add 70% VG including whatever VG nic may be required for any particular volume. So, very easy to remember how to mix any juice. Also, if I wish to make a 50/50 PG/VG mixture, I can do that too just by adding another 20% PG and only 50% VG.

I also add about 1/10 of 1% of citric acid to my bases as a preservative and anti-bacterial agent. That way, even if a flavor was mixed with water somewhere along the way, the flavor bases will last almost indefinitely. At those small percentages, there is no change to the flavor. Anyway, I found this to be a good solution to some of the issues I found facing "immediate orders." Works for me. My two cents...

OK. So ur base flavor mixes contain no nic and u just add it in as orders are made? I'm just asking cuz I C color change in the bases and I Thot that only occurred during oxidation of nic and chemical reaction to diff flavors. I jus wanna get this right is all. Cuz I'm Def gonna try it out.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

OK. So ur base flavor mixes contain no nic and u just add it in as orders are made? I'm just asking cuz I C color change in the bases and I Thot that only occurred during oxidation of nic and chemical reaction to diff flavors. I jus wanna get this right is all. Cuz I'm Def gonna try it out.

So
No, it's not just the Nic. Color changes in the base without Nic. My bases are TFA flavors (PG) and PG to a 30% mix. So, if, for example I have a recipe that uses 20% flavoring, I'll add 10% of PG to get me to the 30% PG level. I only add VG and VG nic when I mix the juice.

 

[Mone415]

So
No, it's not just the Nic. Color changes in the base without Nic. My bases are TFA flavors (PG) and PG to a 30% mix. So, if, for example I have a recipe that uses 20% flavoring, I'll add 10% of PG to get me to the 30% PG level. I only add VG and VG nic when I mix the juice.

Aaahhh. Gotha I've never seen the colors change without nic in my experiences. But I don't use TFA much. And the TFA I have used had nic lol. Koo that was cause for my main confusion. Thanx man. Ima give it uh shot. If I stumble along the way or have any questions I'll PM u if thas koo witchu. Thanx again for the info. Love DIY THE learn somethin new every Damn day.

 

[dopamine1]

Oh man TFA lychee is so nasty. Ruins everything I put it in, even at 1%.

 

[DebiK]

Yeppers. I make a dragonfruit and love it too. Try this Dragon's Blood:

Dragonfruit 10%
Strawberry 5%
Cotton Candy 5%
Vanilla Cupcake 2.5%
Bavarian Cream 4%
Sweet Cream 2%
Vanilla Swirl 1.5%

This recipe already adds up to 30%.

So in this case your stored base would be just these flavoring with no added PG, correct?

And to make, say, 10 ml @ 6mg (30/70), it would be 3 mls of this base, .6ml of nic in a VG base and 6.4 ml of VG?

Lastly, (for now). What if you have a complex recipe where you have, 12 flavors, and the percentages add up to over 30? Or does that never happen?

 

[Mone415]

Oh man TFA lychee is so nasty. Ruins everything I put it in, even at 1%.

Wow taste is really subjective. Can't say I love the stuff but mixed with pomegranate and dragonfruit. It Was uh nice background flavor.

4-8% pomegranate
7% distilled water (if ur not dripping)
3% Dragon fruit
2% lychee
When I dripped this sub ohm pomegranate was very strong at 8 %. But in uh nautilus it was very nice. Try it out lemme know what u think.

 

[Harleybarbie]

So
No, it's not just the Nic. Color changes in the base without Nic. My bases are TFA flavors (PG) and PG to a 30% mix. So, if, for example I have a recipe that uses 20% flavoring, I'll add 10% of PG to get me to the 30% PG level. I only add VG and VG nic when I mix the juice.

All of your pics are amazing! I notice my TFA flavors change colors too, some when I receive them before anything is added... I like the way you work
Thank you for your posts, I'm going back to read them again and stare at the juice safe!