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This one's kind of a simple cream but it's a very common frozen treat here in Hawaii (called melona - Korean popsicle... honeydew and cream is the most popular flavor).

honeydew 10%
dulce de leche 5%
vanilla bean ice cream 5%
EM (10% in pg) 2%
sweetener (1 drop per 5ml completed liquid)

This was my first try at it and the flavor is very nice. :)

I'm getting a total mix of 30pg/70vg -not including the tfa sweetener) and while the taste is nice the vapor production isn't as dense/thick as my premade 50/50 juices I have ordered from Yaeliq and I wonder if there's a trick I am missing? I would have thought that at 70%vg my vapor production would have been a lot better... need to figure this out.I would like a much heavier mouth feel.

HOLY SMOKES! My mom used to try to make melona popsicles when I was a kid! My step-dad was raised on Maui and it was the ONE thing he couldn't stand to be without. Though she was always trying to make the cantaloupe and cream kind when we couldn't find honeydew melon. Man!!! That brought back some memories!

I wish I had the honeydew! I KNEW I should have grabbed that last order. I wanted to combine that with cantaloupe to make a fruit salad type thing, but danish ingredients took priority. Now I HAVE to have it!
 

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Ok Monica, let us see if I can tackle at least some of this LOL

100DT = 100 drop test: Basically this is a 1 drop per 1% flavor test that a lot of us have taken up doing (thank's to Bill ;) ). Simply put, if you have 70% VG, you add 70 drops of VG into your container and so on until you have 100%. If this does not make sense, please let me know, I'll walk you through it in a bit more detail. This makes roughly 2.5ish ML (depending on your dropper size of course) and allows you the ability to IMMEDIATELY taste your juice in a small amount. You can then adjust your percentages to your liking if needed and you aren't wasting a "bunch" of your lab goods-since it's such a small amount total!

I would highly NOT recommend you using a crockpot or any other kind of heating device when steeping your juices. You'll notice by reading the posts here that with very few exeptions, most of us don't steep more than a day or two-IF that. When creating the way we do (flavor in the 20%-30% range) steeping isn't generally needed. Nor wanted.

As Bill has said a billion times-bad juice cannot be steeped into GREAT juice (ya ya, it's a seriously bad paraphrasing of what Bill says lol).

Back to the 100DT. Mix your juice with the 100 drop test, try it. If it is bad at that point-steeping it with or without heat is NOT going to help. PERIOD.

There is someone around here that may say that's completely wrong. But, I can tell you from personal experience-when you have something that tastes awful (I created one the other day that tastes like, well, honestly, vomit) I decided to do a lil experiment. I made up two 2.5ml containers. One went into a mini crock pot I have that holds things at about 200 degrees and one went in a dark drawer that I use for steeping. Both for 3 days.

Final verdict? THEY STILL BOTH ARE HORRID! In fact, I'll be honest in saying that the heat steeped one was borderline batter acid, I SWEAR! I think the heat made it a proiduct I should be selling to Die Hard! The non-heated one... still disgusting as well.

I hope Bill will chime in and do the whole heat vs no heat chemical bonding thing for you here. I just don't have the time right now to ;)

My personal method is-Create, vape a bit, if creams and such need to "come together" (and you can tell this from your initial vape-It'll taste good, but if you let it sit 24-48, it'll be GREAT) then I have a lil plastic box that the bottles will stay upright in and I place the bottle(s) in there, into a cool dark closet or drawer and wait til GREAT!

Nicotine WILL degrade when exposed to heat/uv light/oxygen. Please take a moment to read:

Storing Your Nicotine Solution - Nude Nicotine

This explains how to store your nicotine base, but keep in mind these things when steeping your juice. You cannot expect the nicotine to be the same (and yes, this WILL change the flavor of your juice), if you heat the bejezus out of it hehe

Ok, I'll quit now! Let me know if you need anything else!
Ok, Reni, I'll chime in, but I'm always reluctant, because steepers have such fixed opinions about their heating/timing processes.

I do not use heat, or substantial agitation (only a 30 second good shake) with my juices. Over time, the different flavorings will bond together to form blends of the flavorings, sometimes with predictable results, sometimes with unexpected results. When I was a new juice maker, I found it very hard to make good juice because of the time required for steeping. Making new juices, or even really good juices was so slow because I had to wait for steeping to occur. Some juices took a few days to steep, others weeks to steep.

In order to speed up the steeping process, many juice makers elected to use heat to "speed steep" their juices. Does this work? Yes and No. Sure, heat will increase chemical activity in solution, no question, but at a price. The price is in entropy. By introducing heat into steeping, you are adding "energy" that would not exist if you just allowed time to steep your juices. Because of an increase in entropy, the final juice made with heat will ALWAYS be different than the juices made without heat. This is just basic thermodynamic physical law. Adding heat to a mix is no different than adding a different ingredient, because it is a different ingredient. You can make the argument that one is trading a slightly different mix to vastly shortened steep time, and, who can argue with this? The point is that the juice IS DIFFERENT after using heat, with a shorter steep time, than juice without heat and a longer steep time, and it may or may not make the juice better.

Where I have differences with some steepers is the contention that great juice REQUIRES a long steep time. I have not found that to be the case, provided we use high flavoring percentage mixes. All of my juices have flavor percentages between 20 and 30% of overall mix. In my case, this is my PG component, and the balance (70%) is my VG component. This varies by user, and does also affect flavor, throat hit and vapor production. Vaping temperature also affects the juice flavoring (watts).

I prefer making good juice with short steeping time frames. It's the only way it works for me, otherwise it would take weeks to make a decent juice. I will settle for really good juice at time of mix, and the expectation that it might "steep" and flavor bond (a condition of low entropy) and become great juice. Often this is the case. To do this is really simple, use enough flavoring where steep time to "bring out" flavorings is not required, as they are already there at the time of the mix. Whenever I run into folks that insist that their juices require weeks to steep to become Nirvana, I often find out that they use low flavor percentage mixes. This actually makes perfect sense. The flavor percentage is low at the time of mixing, and it takes time for these flavors to emerge, with or without heat. SOLUTION: HIGH FLAVOR PERCENTAGE MIXES.

For me, it either tastes good at mix, or I change it. I don't have time to wait days and weeks for the flavors to emerge. When I dumped that thinking, my juice improved immediately, as I can immediately remix flavorings until they are good....I don't have to wait. Also, I want to introduce as few variables into the juices as possible. Why? Because I don't want the flavoring (which is good at mix) to change substantially over time, or by adding thermodynamic variables, entropy, catalytic action, or what have you. I just want the juice to flavor bond (couple of hours usually), and then taste great, and stay great. In my experience, as Reni said, less than good juice....NEVER becomes great juice. And why should it need to? Why not keep trying to make a mix that DOES TASTE GOOD initially? The obvious advantage is NO WAITING. It's good out of the can, you know it's good, it may become great, but it's NOT BAD! Good is good, bad is bad.....NEXT! Easy peasy! :2c: :D :toast:

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Fingers crossed for vape mail today...I REALLY need butter....have so much, but once again missing that 1. Specific. Key. Flavor. As usual:( a blackberry flavor delivery would be appreciated too, not as desired as butter is but....hate waiting on things when I have momentum and ambition. It was so nice getting back to maths and mixing, takes my mind off of things.

Going with #2 dough for me/my tastes, not sure if this will be something good for anyone else honestly, it's actually sweeter than anything I usually vape right now, and it still needs work but after spending time this am, this will be it the very basic base, and I am oh so eager to add to it, help it along, see what it becomes. I hope to post impressions of next stage mixes this weekend...fingers crossed for ALL of us awaiting needed flavors....I've been reviewing Bill's Danish notes, his peach recipe and his general % guidelines for Danish mixes to help me along as I wait.
 
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Ok, Reni, I'll chime in, but I'm always reluctant, because steepers have such fixed opinions about their heating/timing processes.

I do not use heat, or substantial agitation (only a 30 second good shake) with my juices. Over time, the different flavorings will bond together to form blends of the flavorings, sometimes with predictable results, sometimes with unexpected results. When I was a new juice maker, I found it very hard to make good juice because of the time required for steeping. Making new juices, or even really good juices was so slow because I had to wait for steeping to occur. Some juices took a few days to steep, others weeks to steep.

In order to speed up the steeping process, many juice makers elected to use heat to "speed steep" their juices. Does this work? Yes and No. Sure, heat will increase chemical activity in solution, no question, but at a price. The price is in entropy. By introducing heat into steeping, you are adding "energy" that would not exist if you just allowed time to steep your juices. Because of an increase in entropy, the final juice made with heat will ALWAYS be different than the juices made without heat. This is just basic thermodynamic physical law. Adding heat to a mix is no different than adding a different ingredient, because it is a different ingredient. You can make the argument that one is trading a slightly different mix to vastly shortened steep time, and, who can argue with this? The point is that the juice IS DIFFERENT after using heat, with a shorter steep time, than juice without heat and a longer steep time, and it may or may not make the juice better.

Where I have differences with some steepers is the contention that great juice REQUIRES a long steep time. I have not found that to be the case, provided we use high flavoring percentage mixes. All of my juices have flavor percentages between 20 and 30% of overall mix. In my case, this is my PG component, and the balance (70%) is my VG component. This varies by user, and does also affect flavor, throat hit and vapor production. Vaping temperature also affects the juice flavoring (watts).

I prefer making good juice with short steeping time frames. It's the only way it works for me, otherwise it would take weeks to make a decent juice. I will settle for really good juice at time of mix, and the expectation that it might "steep" and flavor bond (a condition of low entropy) and become great juice. Often this is the case. To do this is really simple, use enough flavoring where steep time to "bring out" flavorings is not required, as they are already there at the time of the mix. Whenever I run into folks that insist that their juices require weeks to steep to become Nirvana, I often find out that they use low flavor percentage mixes. This actually makes perfect sense. The flavor percentage is low at the time of mixing, and it takes time for these flavors to emerge, with or without heat. SOLUTION: HIGH FLAVOR PERCENTAGE MIXES.

For me, it either tastes good at mix, or I change it. I don't have time to wait days and weeks for the flavors to emerge. When I dumped that thinking, my juice improved immediately, as I can immediately remix flavorings until they are good....I don't have to wait. Also, I want to introduce as few variables into the juices as possible. Why? Because I don't want the flavoring (which is good at mix) to change substantially over time, or by adding thermodynamic variables, entropy, catalytic action, or what have you. I just want the juice to flavor bond (couple of hours usually), and then taste great, and stay great. In my experience, as Reni said, less than good juice....NEVER becomes great juice. And why should it need to? Why not keep trying to make a mix that DOES TASTE GOOD initially? The obvious advantage is NO WAITING. It's good out of the can, you know it's good, it may become great, but it's NOT BAD! Good is good, bad is bad.....NEXT! Easy peasy! :2c: :D :toast:

:2cool:

Mind if I blog this post so the info is readily available for further reference Bill?
 

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HOLY SMOKES! My mom used to try to make melona popsicles when I was a kid! My step-dad was raised on Maui and it was the ONE thing he couldn't stand to be without. Though she was always trying to make the cantaloupe and cream kind when we couldn't find honeydew melon. Man!!! That brought back some memories!

I wish I had the honeydew! I KNEW I should have grabbed that last order. I wanted to combine that with cantaloupe to make a fruit salad type thing, but danish ingredients took priority. Now I HAVE to have it!
I hope you like it :) I need to make a bigger bottle of this. I just made a tester of 10ml. I vaped half of it before it got appropriated by a friend of mine, yesterday :p

edit: I mix for RBAs and this flavor is quite strong...just the way like it. :)
 
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hate waiting on things when I have momentum and ambition.

fingers crossed for ALL of us awaiting needed flavors

I know just how you feel.My cream cheese icing flavor was showing estimated delivery of tuesday,not next tuesday,but 3 days ago.It says it left California sunday night,and it has never been scanned again after that.I usually get packages from California in no more than 2-3 days,so i'm thinking this either got lost or damaged,but i'm tired of waiting already haha.


Oh,and Cliffy15,that one you posted sounds like it should be good.I will give it a try here in the next few days.I got the honeydew a while back and tried it as a standalone at 10% and about blew my tastebuds out it was so strong haha,but i'm thinking mixed with the creams like you have it,that it should mellow it out and make a nice tasting flavor.
 
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Ok it's been quite a week here..but mixed up Danish dough bases this am, spending time sampling,
1) 3.5% waffle/3.5% van. cupcake, reminds me of mom's Angel food cake, not exactly what I personally what I'd use for Danish, not bad though
2) 3.5% waffle/3.5% frosted donut....this might be the one ....for me. Quite sweet. Once get butter, will add along with brown sugar to see what comes up
3) 3.5% waffle/3.5% pie crust...pastry dough type something, not sweet

Again, this is just beginning, trying to get my dough worked out, fruits I plan to try are blueberry wild, lemon, and regular raspberry which I like the smell of more than sweet raspberry personally. I still got far to go, but have started, and still need to spend more time with each, leaning more to #2 though so far....it's just got something that stands out more for me, more potential I suppose for what I'm aiming for personally. I can already tell that my mix is going to be better than a raspberry Danish juice I had awhile ago, and I just started too..Lol, for my tastes of course!

Milkstone, there are a few versions is a cream base that some premix to use as it's own flavoring in recipes...some vape it alone (as the prime flavor used) in their mix, others also add fruits to it.('re read post and you got a good grip on it :) )....a blend of flavors used mixed to make its own flavor, previous info didn't make sense much

Ok, Reni, I'll chime in, but I'm always reluctant, because steepers have such fixed opinions about their heating/timing processes.

I do not use heat, or substantial agitation (only a 30 second good shake) with my juices. Over time, the different flavorings will bond together to form blends of the flavorings, sometimes with predictable results, sometimes with unexpected results. When I was a new juice maker, I found it very hard to make good juice because of the time required for steeping. Making new juices, or even really good juices was so slow because I had to wait for steeping to occur. Some juices took a few days to steep, others weeks to steep.

In order to speed up the steeping process, many juice makers elected to use heat to "speed steep" their juices. Does this work? Yes and No. Sure, heat will increase chemical activity in solution, no question, but at a price. The price is in entropy. By introducing heat into steeping, you are adding "energy" that would not exist if you just allowed time to steep your juices. Because of an increase in entropy, the final juice made with heat will ALWAYS be different than the juices made without heat. This is just basic thermodynamic physical law. Adding heat to a mix is no different than adding a different ingredient, because it is a different ingredient. You can make the argument that one is trading a slightly different mix to vastly shortened steep time, and, who can argue with this? The point is that the juice IS DIFFERENT after using heat, with a shorter steep time, than juice without heat and a longer steep time, and it may or may not make the juice better.

Where I have differences with some steepers is the contention that great juice REQUIRES a long steep time. I have not found that to be the case, provided we use high flavoring percentage mixes. All of my juices have flavor percentages between 20 and 30% of overall mix. In my case, this is my PG component, and the balance (70%) is my VG component. This varies by user, and does also affect flavor, throat hit and vapor production. Vaping temperature also affects the juice flavoring (watts).

I prefer making good juice with short steeping time frames. It's the only way it works for me, otherwise it would take weeks to make a decent juice. I will settle for really good juice at time of mix, and the expectation that it might "steep" and flavor bond (a condition of low entropy) and become great juice. Often this is the case. To do this is really simple, use enough flavoring where steep time to "bring out" flavorings is not required, as they are already there at the time of the mix. Whenever I run into folks that insist that their juices require weeks to steep to become Nirvana, I often find out that they use low flavor percentage mixes. This actually makes perfect sense. The flavor percentage is low at the time of mixing, and it takes time for these flavors to emerge, with or without heat. SOLUTION: HIGH FLAVOR PERCENTAGE MIXES.

For me, it either tastes good at mix, or I change it. I don't have time to wait days and weeks for the flavors to emerge. When I dumped that thinking, my juice improved immediately, as I can immediately remix flavorings until they are good....I don't have to wait. Also, I want to introduce as few variables into the juices as possible. Why? Because I don't want the flavoring (which is good at mix) to change substantially over time, or by adding thermodynamic variables, entropy, catalytic action, or what have you. I just want the juice to flavor bond (couple of hours usually), and then taste great, and stay great. In my experience, as Reni said, less than good juice....NEVER becomes great juice. And why should it need to? Why not keep trying to make a mix that DOES TASTE GOOD initially? The obvious advantage is NO WAITING. It's good out of the can, you know it's good, it may become great, but it's NOT BAD! Good is good, bad is bad.....NEXT! Easy peasy! :2c: :D :toast:

:2cool:

Reni and Bill, hope you don't mind but I blogged both posts... Great job!

Tim
 

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Ok it's been quite a week here..but mixed up Danish dough bases this am, spending time sampling,
1) 3.5% waffle/3.5% van. cupcake, reminds me of mom's Angel food cake, not exactly what I personally what I'd use for Danish, not bad though
2) 3.5% waffle/3.5% frosted donut....this might be the one ....for me. Quite sweet. Once get butter, will add along with brown sugar to see what comes up
3) 3.5% waffle/3.5% pie crust...pastry dough type something, not sweet

Again, this is just beginning, trying to get my dough worked out, fruits I plan to try are blueberry wild, lemon, and regular raspberry which I like the smell of more than sweet raspberry personally. I still got far to go, but have started, and still need to spend more time with each, leaning more to #2 though so far....it's just got something that stands out more for me, more potential I suppose for what I'm aiming for personally. I can already tell that my mix is going to be better than a raspberry Danish juice I had awhile ago, and I just started too..Lol, for my tastes of course!

Milkstone, there are a few versions is a cream base that some premix to use as it's own flavoring in recipes...some vape it alone (as the prime flavor used) in their mix, others also add fruits to it.('re read post and you got a good grip on it :) )....a blend of flavors used mixed to make its own flavor, previous info didn't make sense much

I *REALLY* like where this is going... I think you said you already picked #2. That's the best looking one to me, too. Good for you! AND... Thanks for the help.

Tim
 

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Ok it's been quite a week here..but mixed up Danish dough bases this am, spending time sampling,
1) 3.5% waffle/3.5% van. cupcake, reminds me of mom's Angel food cake, not exactly what I personally what I'd use for Danish, not bad though
2) 3.5% waffle/3.5% frosted donut....this might be the one ....for me. Quite sweet. Once get butter, will add along with brown sugar to see what comes up
3) 3.5% waffle/3.5% pie crust...pastry dough type something, not sweet

Again, this is just beginning, trying to get my dough worked out, fruits I plan to try are blueberry wild, lemon, and regular raspberry which I like the smell of more than sweet raspberry personally. I still got far to go, but have started, and still need to spend more time with each, leaning more to #2 though so far....it's just got something that stands out more for me, more potential I suppose for what I'm aiming for personally. I can already tell that my mix is going to be better than a raspberry Danish juice I had awhile ago, and I just started too..Lol, for my tastes of course!

Milkstone, there are a few versions is a cream base that some premix to use as it's own flavoring in recipes...some vape it alone (as the prime flavor used) in their mix, others also add fruits to it.('re read post and you got a good grip on it :) )....a blend of flavors used mixed to make its own flavor, previous info didn't make sense much

I agree with Tim. This looks promising and sounds delicious! :thumbs:
 

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I have been lurking in this thread for a while. While I am not a huge fan of TFA flavors, this is the friendliest and most sharing thread I've ever been on. I have to say that the worst, and I mean worst flavor I've ever tasted of put in a recipe is TFA cheesecake. I ordered cheesecake from Capellas and Lorann but haven't used them yet, however, the smell is so much better than the TFA. I have about 7 or 8 ml of TFA cheesecake left in a bottle that I'd be glad to send to someone who likes it. Other than that it's going down the drain!

I drip as well, using various drippers, I'm using an Igo-L right now, .8 ohm, at about 12 to 13 watts on a Cana mod and I like my flavors strong!

I'm going to share a recipe that I have been working on with you guys, I still need to make a change or two to it, but the collaboration here is amazing and would love to have a little help and would love to share with you all. Once again I don't want to take over the TFA thread with other flavors but most of my recipe is those other flavors.

Eggnog Custard 2

Bavarian Cream (FW) - 5%
Eggnog (LA) - 6%
Smooth (TFA) - 2%
Sweetener (TFA - 5%
Vanilla Custard (CA) - 16%

I think I will leave out the Smooth on the next recipe and try CA's eggnog since I ordered it and have it here. If you like eggnog try this recipe and let me know your thoughts. Thanks

Not a fan of eggnog myself, though I do use it in Vanilla Custard. I have tried the Cap Egg Nog. Quite horrid to me. Like you, I cannot seem to get the cheesecake to work either. Not the worst thing I ever tasted, I reserve that for Cap EN, but not good either, imho! :toast: :2c: :D
 

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Best day ever.

4oz of: Apple, Blackberry, Cotton Candy, Peppermint, Strawberry, Sweetener, and Sweet Cream.

1oz: French Vanilla Cream and Vanilla Custard.

8-16 ml of many more flavors to come; enough to make the custards, danishes, etc.

I can't wait to make some kind of fruit and cream, it might have to be strawberries... :vapor:
 

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So nothing but junk mail today....so mixed up some other stuff to try soon instead.
1) Bill's key lime pie for my mom the lime fiend, smells divine...I really really like tfa' s key lime, it's fantastic, this is coming from someone who doesn't even like limes, or lime vapes until came across this flavor, it's just really amazing, crisp, clean, bright, fresh, not too sour. I have nothing but high praise for this..amazing smell, I love working with this one. I have lime cold pressed by fa, but honestly haven't bothered even trying it out, tfa' s is perfect for me in mixes for her
2) 7% banana nut bread/3% fr. Vanilla, trial mix
3) Bill's mango custard(used cap sweet mango, what I had) and a papaya version too, first versions for me no sweetener
4) raspberry cupcake-6% raspberry, 3% van. cupcake, 3% whipped cream, 2% bav. cream-trial mix(had to try out the regular raspberry)
 
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So nothing but junk mail today....so mixed up some other stuff to try soon instead.
1) Bill's key lime pie for my mom the lime fiend, smells divine...I really really like tfa' s key lime, it's fantastic, this is coming from someone who doesn't even like limes, or lime vapes until came across this flavor, it's just really amazing, crisp, clean, bright, fresh, not too sour. I have nothing but high praise for this..amazing smell, I love working with this one. I have lime cold pressed by fa, but honestly haven't bothered even trying it out, tfa' s is perfect for me in mixes for her
2) 7% banana nut bread/3% fr. Vanilla, trial mix
3) Bill's mango custard(used cap sweet mango, what I had) and a papaya version too, first versions for me no sweetener
4) raspberry cupcake-6% raspberry, 3% van. cupcake, 3% whipped cream, 2% bav. cream-trial mix(had to try out the regular raspberry)

Way to go MOM!!

Amazing posts lately!!

Love your work! :toast:
 

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I hope you like it :) I need to make a bigger bottle of this. I just made a tester of 10ml. I vaped half of it before it got appropriated by a friend of mine, yesterday :p

edit: I mix for RBAs and this flavor is quite strong...just the way like it. :)

I don't DO weak flavoring lol Then I can use it in a clearo/glasso/RDA and be happy no matter what ;) Only thing do diff for my clearo/glasso's is up the nic to about 8-9ish. I have a bottle of 70VG/30PG 12mg/ml nic already made up that I just let the flavors PG down. I'd say 9 times out of 10 it comes out to 8.44mg/ml of nic. So it works out for me. :vapor:
 

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I know just how you feel.My cream cheese icing flavor was showing estimated delivery of tuesday,not next tuesday,but 3 days ago.It says it left California sunday night,and it has never been scanned again after that.I usually get packages from California in no more than 2-3 days,so i'm thinking this either got lost or damaged,but i'm tired of waiting already haha.


Oh,and Cliffy15,that one you posted sounds like it should be good.I will give it a try here in the next few days.I got the honeydew a while back and tried it as a standalone at 10% and about blew my tastebuds out it was so strong haha,but i'm thinking mixed with the creams like you have it,that it should mellow it out and make a nice tasting flavor.


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*sniff* I SOOO want that honeydew now!
 

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So nothing but junk mail today....so mixed up some other stuff to try soon instead.
1) Bill's key lime pie for my mom the lime fiend, smells divine...I really really like tfa' s key lime, it's fantastic, this is coming from someone who doesn't even like limes, or lime vapes until came across this flavor, it's just really amazing, crisp, clean, bright, fresh, not too sour. I have nothing but high praise for this..amazing smell, I love working with this one. I have lime cold pressed by fa, but honestly haven't bothered even trying it out, tfa' s is perfect for me in mixes for her
2) 7% banana nut bread/3% fr. Vanilla, trial mix
3) Bill's mango custard(used cap sweet mango, what I had) and a papaya version too, first versions for me no sweetener
4) raspberry cupcake-6% raspberry, 3% van. cupcake, 3% whipped cream, 2% bav. cream-trial mix(had to try out the regular raspberry)


I'm curious how #'s 2 & 4 end up.... do share ;)


I've personally stayed away from the banana nut bread-as I keep hearing how it's hard to nail down anything with it.
 
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