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Kaezziel

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I, too, must agree with the HFM shake-and-vape method. I had tried DIY years ago with no true success. Sure, I made juice that I could vape, but it wasn't 'good' by any stretch of the imagination. It got the job done. In my mind, my earlier attempts were like driving a Yugo... it'll get ya to point 'B', but you sure as hell won't enjoy the trip. Now, I can make a juice, adjust it and vape it happily with less than an hour's worth of work. The only thing I have yet to try is the 100DT... I usually just mix up a 10mL batch when I'm testing. If for some reason I can't fix it with a little tweaking, then I'll just dump it and start over...

All that being said, I couldn't have done it without the help and support of the great people on this thread. You all have my eternal gratitude!
 

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Bill knows how I feel about his method. I would have thrown out 100s of dollars of flavors/juice if I had tried any other way. I know this about me. I'm impatient and not receptive to "watch the pot" irritations. I seldom cook. I love eating out - or take home most days now.

"Mixing" in and of itself seemed far too tedious for me to deal with but I needed a new outlet for my addiction to vaping - I have bought, used and sold more geat than I care to remember. Now, I have found my peace with my current setups and feel no desire to chase the shinies any longer. What's left? Juice! Something that could intrigue me maybe for a little while - sure, I'll give it a go! Bought all the crap I needed to fill 1000ml bottles. Vape Mail! Placed the 2 big boxes beside my desk. I walked by it day after day finding every excuse in the book not to "deal with it".

Found some great threads here and started reading - a lot. There had to be a better way that didn't involve a microwave/boiling water or a ultrasonic...thingama. Then after I spend time making the juice I need to let it breath? Sit on a shelf for weeks? Months? OMG... When I was buying juice online I vaped that stuff immediately. My juice needs to work for ME - not the other way around.

I wrote in another post - Unconventional? All my life! Tis true...and I'm happy with me :)

Also - When I do sit down to mix up some juice, I use the same dayum syringe for all the flavors - without rinsing it!...I can see some people going all "Scanners" on me! HA!

Love ya Bill and many Thanks! You are VERY appreciated :)
 

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Thanks Hittman! I do appreciate the support!

From time to time, a long steeper creeps on here and gets quite upset with HFM, 100DT's, etc., and, for some reason, cannot see that this is just another valid way of mixing. It's strengths are in time. It's incredibly easy to get to an ADV in 30 minutes or less, and generally with less than 8 total mixes. Done it a hundred times personally.

However, for the long steep crowd, making an ADV is more a work of art, and requires perhaps months of careful research and experimentation. Eventually, but not always, a masterpiece emerges, and there is a tremendous sense of pride in its making. I get all that. The fact that I can copy and improve on the juice in 30 minutes just doesn't sit well with some. To me, it's just a different strokes issue...all valid, and whatever moves your boat is fine. The problem comes in when I elect NOT to adopt their methods, then I'm a bad boy. Rather than acknowledge the many ways to do DIY, they attack the HFM method, and sometimes me personally. This happens about ten times a year since I have been sharing on this thread, so I'm used to it. Anyone that knows me, knows that I believe there is no one way to do any of this, and all of us must adjust and tailor our efforts to suit our own taste preferences.

It is a simple fact, though, that HFM will produce a good vapeable juice faster than the long steep method. From my point of view, the long steep method cannot produce a juice that cannot be replicated with the HFM, the lone exception being tobacco juices. I believe they could be made quickly as well, but since I don't vape them, I've not worked on it much. I did make Brandon's Choice, which I've been told is good and an ADV for tobacco flavor vapers. Tastes awful to me!

Thanks again, for the support, and I wish you well in your VapeQuest! :toast: :D

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The main problem with tobacco flavors is that you generally use only very small percentages, and tiny discrepancies can mean the diff between a reasonably vapable juice, and something that would gag a maggot. So, I still use the long steep method, anytime I'm trying to mix anything with a tobacco note or base.

The main difficulty I find is that, with the HFM technique, you can know right away how to tweak something, whereas with the long-steepers, you have to try and aim at the full construction kinda "in the dark." Since it has to steep so long, you can't really tweak it "on the fly," but have to try and get the whole construction right off the bat, a small tester like 5ml; if it's not quite right, do another small tester and wait another month to see if you hit it right. :facepalm:

I've done this with my cherry pipe tobacco mix, and the one using the TFA Cherry Extract turned out quite nice, if not *exactly* how I thought it would. But that Cherry Extract is a good flavor; cherry isn't one of my most-favorite flavors, but that one is neither too sweet, too tart, nor too medicinal. It's the Goldilocks of cherry flavors. :D

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Yeah, the Derringer and Hobo are the two that I use all day, every day. With the Hobo, do a dual coil (horizontal and centered to the slots in the juice well ring). I'd suggest 3mm ID, spaced, at about 0.3 (I've gone lower, but be careful to stay away from the insulator as much as possible). Then just pull your rayon through, trim your tails down really thin and let 'er rip! Open the lower airflow holes (the ones in front of the coils) all the way. Adjust the upper ones as you see fit. Oh! And lemme know how you like it. That is my all time favorite atty... even after the Derringer, but mostly because it gives great flavor and vapor production but has a pretty good capacity.
I threw a build in it last night,i do most of my rda's at a .4 so that's what i stayed with on this one,mine are only 2.4 mm though.After building it and vaping on it for about 1/2 hour,i went back to my derringer haha.It wasn't a bad vape,but not as much flavor as i get from the derringer.I think i need to play around with it some more and get some fine tuning on it so to speak,to get it where it shines.I'll give the 3mm coils a try,that's what i used when i ran my lemo's and they were excellent.
My Hobo only has the airholes in front of the coils though,no top air holes.It's the Hobo v3.1,i went with it over the other versions because it comes with a bottom feed pin which makes my life easier when i don't have to modify anything haha.
 

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As always, John, I share my opinions on here where I think I can be helpful. Occasionally, I may say something in an in-artful way, as my be the case here, and it comes across as harsh or doesn't sit right with someone. Clearly that is the case with you on this post. I mean no offense, and make suggestions based on my experience to help the new member. The issue I was addressing is that sometimes the new vaper thinks they need to buy a device to be used just for testing juices. I bought many. After vaping for many years, I found, for me, that I needed to use the same device to test with, as I vape with everyday, because juice tastes differently in different devices. Now, I don't think anyone would argue the point, but, perhaps you see that differently, as well, and that's fine with me! :D

Then, there is the issue of rewicking. Does one have to rewick between testing and tests? I think not, but, there's nothing wrong if one does do it this way, it's just not necessary, as I've explained.....for me. So, if I don't need to use a different device, and since I'm mixing for the device I'm going to be using to vape with, in hindsight, it became clear that I didn't need different test devices for mixing and vaping. For me, it was, and is, a waste of time and money. That is my point, my opinion, if you will, based on my experience. If you believe that I think everyone needs to vape and test this way, then you're simply wrong, and you don't know me at all. I almost always insist that everything I do must be changed and tailored to match everyone's individual taste sensitivities. This is in no way different, and while I might have needed to be clearer in my expression, I never intended what you have assumed from my post, and so I want to correct that for you and for the record. Personally, I don't really care how anyone vapes, only that they find a way to vape, quit smoking, save some money, hopefully, and never return to smoking.

That's what I'm all about, John. Helping the new mixologist. From the beginning, everything I've written flies in the face of the way many people mix and vape. I'm speaking mostly of the long steep crowd. I've explained many times why that never worked for me, though, I've also acknowledged that it is a valid way to mix juices. I nearly quit mixing until I luckily found the way I discuss here, and I will continue to share my experiences to help the new members, and without a great deal of concern on whether it flies in the face of the long steeping method. The way I do it works for me, and from what I know to be true, many others as well. Clearly, though, it's not for everyone, and I've received more than my fair share of criticism for going against the grain on this issue.

Of course, there are different ways to do all of this. We all know it, and we've all discussed this issue many times. I try not to address it too often as it upsets some, like you, perhaps, and I try to avoid that. I do appreciate any constructive criticism that comes my way. In this case, I could have been more careful in my writing, because I never intended to infer that there is only one way to do any of this. However, there are many voices that talk about the long steep method of mixing, and very few that do it with high flavor mixes and shake and vape. I'm an ATM kinda mixer and believe strongly in the method. It's faster and more efficient, for sure (just my opinion John), and most commercial juice makers use it.

I did vape some year old stuff yesterday and it was pretty good. Better than shake and vape? I couldn't tell a difference honestly. But I appreciate your taking the time to express your feelings on this matter. I will redouble my efforts to remain clear in expression, always acknowledging that YMMV, so that you don't have to worry about whatever drivel I may be telling the new members. By the way, the way I do it does save me both time and money....but that's just me, I guess. Good luck to you! :toast: :D

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You are a far more patient and diplomatic soul than I my friend.
Kudos to you sir!
 

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@englishmick - I picked up this last summer: $24.65 RDA Mini Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer (10-Pack / 1.0mL) 10-pack - ships with one of each color / 2.4Ω at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Easiest to build single-coil, as the deck is SUPER-tiny. I did enlarge the air hole on each, and I build anywhere from 1.0-1.5 ohm. It's nice having multiple built - I can taste lots fairly quickly.

I have a couple Atomics, but my new love is the Velocity.

Welcome to TFA-land. I *LOVE* mixing my own juices. And as always, special thanks to Bill and ITTechy for all the work they did accumulating recipes and loading a dropbox with tons of information.
I like Atomic's too. I have bf for my Woodville that is going with it to it's new owner. Now I need one to keep! I like atty's that screw together instead of popping together. My hands don't make popping anything easy, so any info on something like that would be appreciated. I know about the Magma, not sure if the Achilles unscrews or uses orings to hold it together.
 

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Yippeeeee!

I feel the same way, which is why the only other RDA I like is the Magma; great thing about the Achilles, it's threaded, but like Kayfuns, has o-rings backing up the threads -- so ZERO leaking, ever. :thumb:

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You are a far more patient and diplomatic soul than I my friend.
Kudos to you sir!
Thanks, my friend! It helps to not take this stuff so seriously, or personally. It's only a forum, and all kinda folks visit, some quite disturbed, I might add. I try to take the high road, and while challenging, it generally feels the best for the longest time, and I seriously try to avoid confrontation, regardless of how tempting it may be to "blast the offender." Most of the time, there are honest misunderstandings at play, and I'd rather give folks the benefit of the doubt. :D

Good luck to you in your VapeQuest! :toast: :D

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Thanks, my friend! It helps to not take this stuff so seriously, or personally. It's only a forum, and all kinda folks visit, some quite disturbed, I might add. I try to take the high road, and while challenging, it generally feels the best for the longest time, and I seriously try to avoid confrontation, regardless of how tempting it may be to "blast the offender." Most of the time, there are honest misunderstandings at play, and I'd rather give folks the benefit of the doubt. :D

Good luck to you in your VapeQuest! :toast: :D

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Thank you ever so much for being so kind to and understanding to my poor disturbed soul. How dare I even question The Great Bill. I feel dang lucky you didn't "blast the offender".

I was enjoying this thread the last few weeks as I played more extensively with TFA flavors and learned some great info. The atmosphere in here has decidedly changed in the last few days, and certainly not for the better. I'll just stay out of this thread so I don't dare raise the ire of the Benevolent Bill. Have fun!
 

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Thank you ever so much for being so kind to and understanding to my poor disturbed soul. How dare I even question The Great Bill. I feel dang lucky you didn't "blast the offender".

I was enjoying this thread the last few weeks as I played more extensively with TFA flavors and learned some great info. The atmosphere in here has decidedly changed in the last few days, and certainly not for the better. I'll just stay out of this thread so I don't dare raise the ire of the Benevolent Bill. Have fun!
Really?? Can't take the high road??

That would probably be best. You are always welcome back....anytime. Good luck on your VapeQuest! :toast: :D

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One of my favorite sayings:
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, however, I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
Makes perfect sense to me, and quite apropos!

I feel like I need a shower.....Whisky Tango Foxtrot? I suppose I am not everyone's cup of tea! :toast: :D

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I like Atomic's too. I have bf for my Woodville that is going with it to it's new owner. Now I need one to keep! I like atty's that screw together instead of popping together. My hands don't make popping anything easy, so any info on something like that would be appreciated. I know about the Magma, not sure if the Achilles unscrews or uses orings to hold it together.

I'm coming back to the Velocity. Like the Atomic, you do have to pop off the bottom, at least to get the coil built. However, once built, if in BF configuration, you pretty much don't have to do anything until you're ready to rewick/rebuild. If you use as a standard dripper, you can unscrew the mouthpiece/510 adapter and drip into a large opening with relative ease. The airflow is controlled by rotating the top. You can quickly close it up to avoid leaking.

I have one built with a single 1.5-ohm coil that's currently sitting on my Owl. It's pretty amazing, just like that. My other is built with dual coil (0.8-0.9ohm) that I'm using as a regular RDA. Two more en route. $10 from focalecig, including the bottom feed pin option.
 

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Thanks, my friend! It helps to not take this stuff so seriously, or personally. It's only a forum, and all kinda folks visit, some quite disturbed, I might add. I try to take the high road, and while challenging, it generally feels the best for the longest time, and I seriously try to avoid confrontation, regardless of how tempting it may be to "blast the offender." Most of the time, there are honest misunderstandings at play, and I'd rather give folks the benefit of the doubt. :D

Good luck to you in your VapeQuest! :toast: :D

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My mom always said 'act in a way you'd be proud of in a year and do it for your own feelings of self worth'
 

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On steeping. Currently my steeping consists of a good shake. Fill an insulated coffee carfe full of hot tap water and throw the bottle in there. Remove after the water cools. Shake again. Vape.

I tried the shake, air, shake air, over a few weeks thing on some of the flavors that give me grief. Did not work so I quit that and now if my "steeping" method does not work I either throw the flavoring out if it gives me grief or throw the mix out and do it again differently if I can touch it up a bit and get it to be good. I mix 10 ml bottles till I get the recipe down. The only long term steepers I have are some I do not vape much of but still like ;)


On mixing I usually mix up 10 mils of a flavor and try it out standalone before I use it in combination with other flavors. Need to know how it tastes so I can figure out what to mix it with or in worst case throw it out.
There are exceptions to this with the just a tiny bit flavors. Graham cracker, amber, etc.
Those I will add a tiny bit to an established flavor I have mixed and see what it does to it, then go from there.

imho have at steeping and mixing in what ever way you want as long as it is safe.
 

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I threw a build in it last night,i do most of my rda's at a .4 so that's what i stayed with on this one,mine are only 2.4 mm though.After building it and vaping on it for about 1/2 hour,i went back to my derringer haha.It wasn't a bad vape,but not as much flavor as i get from the derringer.I think i need to play around with it some more and get some fine tuning on it so to speak,to get it where it shines.I'll give the 3mm coils a try,that's what i used when i ran my lemo's and they were excellent.
My Hobo only has the airholes in front of the coils though,no top air holes.It's the Hobo v3.1,i went with it over the other versions because it comes with a bottom feed pin which makes my life easier when i don't have to modify anything haha.

LOL! Sounds like a decent build. Until recently my usual builds were 2.4mm (still are for my tank 'cause 3mm won't fit). I've found lately that I prefer the 3mm spaced for my rdas. You're right, the Hobo doesn't quite match the Derringer for flavor, but has way more capacity.
Ahhh... yeah, I've got the older version. More often than not, though, I close off the top air holes anyway. Nice to have the BF pin. I don't have any squonkers yet, but I keep looking in that direction.

On another note, but still related... I usually tone down my flavor percentages to about 20-25% for the Derringer over my other attys. For most of my mixes I use 30% flavor (depending... I always add an extra 5% to whatever I'm making if I plan on using it in my tank, so that's usually 35%).
 
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