Maybe those are true points but I still think they (even at least initially) prefer to have something small, light and that isnt going to attract too many strange looks.
The future of vaping?
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Maybe those are true points but I still think they (even at least initially) prefer to have something small, light and that isnt going to attract too many strange looks.
I think that's true for some people, but a lot of people I talk to, and this is a broad age range, say they want something cig size. Some people I've gotten into vaping won't have anything else. I know when I started I wanted something cig size too - it was a psychological need I had. I'm over that because I have not smoked for quite a while now and vaping has become something in its own right for me. But I do understand the need people express to have it cig size. I still have my minis and still use them sometimes.
I didn't get bigger pvs out of need. I was happily vaping and not smoking. I got curious about an ego size - so got some X2s. Then I wanted to celebrate a smokefree milestone - so figured I should get a mod - buy something a bit flash that was ecig related. Those first months of not smoking - the minis did it for me. And I was a heavy smoker - 40-50 a day.
I've noticed a lot of interest here on ECF lately among mod users for smaller mods. I'd like to see them smaller but just as powerful as the 18650 tube mods. There are some smaller box mods. So yeah, I don't know if I'll even be vaping in 25 years time, or 10 for that matter. But if they had a long lasting battery in a cig size that packed a punch - I'd use it. I use the minis I have now still.
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We already have government interference. Downunder we can't buy nicotine juice locally. We can only buy 0mg nic. We're allowed to import it for personal use, which is what we do. The only way around that is some of the disposables or kits that come with prefilled cartos included - which can be sold I believe. So we already know about government crack down. Sheesh - we have to order juice 10-14 days ahead of time from overseas.
I'd be interested to see if Njoy disposables could be sold here and in Aus. I guess so - but we could find some government interference here. Right now people who buy the locally advertised ecigs are buying 0mg nic. A local vendor was giving disposables away here recently and sells them too - so I guess they can be sold because they are prefilled/packaged.
Younger people do seem to prefer cig-alikes here. I talked to a shop owner who said the small form factor was what he was always asked for. Most of his customers are young people.
That's because they don't really know what is out there. I had no idea about any of what is available until I got to this forum. I have learned a bit and I intend to learn a lot more. The point is that they ask for cig a like because they really don't know much about alternatives, and they don't know about battery life, vapor production etc... I don't have to tell you all of this. If a cig a like worked the same way as some of the VV/VW mods out there we would likely all have them for stealth moments. I would still keep all of my other stuff too. Young people have a need to conform sometimes, other times they need to be first at something, that's what makes the world go around. I remember wanting to fit in and going along with the crowd for a few years, than I changed and marched to the beat of my own drummer and never looked back.
The biggest concern I have is big tobacco's involvement in making the juice, I can work around anything else. I guess I better become a chemist fast and start to DIY the juice on a faster schedule. All I know is I need a paypal account and a few vendors in China for hardware supplies, then I will make my own juice.
Yeah I also don't trust them that much when it comes to juice. I just hope they make nice new equipment and bring some nice innovations in terms of batteries and then I'll buy my juice somewhere else 
For some of them that's true. But I know people who won't go to anything bigger - and some of them are not so young. I've showed them a 650mah X2, which seem small to me now, and they don't want to try it. Its psychological - they like the cig size. And if they're happy with that I leave them to it. They know they can ask if they get interested in something bigger.
Also, even some smokers who have been talking to me don't want the bigger sizes. They say "that's too big. I like your small ones".
I love vaping with my vw mods - but they weren't essential to me enjoying vaping and not smoking. I enjoyed vaping before I got them. They do make a difference for sure - but if I hadn't celebrated by buying one I still would have been happy.
I know not everyone is the same as me. But when talking to new vapers or smokers - I do consistently find the majority want the small size ecigs. Its where they're at.
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Yeah, buying from China is actually good for me. Its closer to us and with a good vendor it can be a great option. I've made a couple of orders from China recently and was very pleased with them. And getting them in 3 days was amazing. I haven't bought any juice from there, but discovered I do like some Dekang. I wanted to try it because its like part of vaping history. I wouldn't mind buying real Dekang from China, but at the moment juice deliveries are getting held up terribly there. Hardware isn't though.
what i am expecting to see in the future of vaping is a lot more tech in the mod department. For one you have to look at the Evic with upgradable firmware i think that's the direction newer mods may take. Honestly i wouldn't be surprised if i could tweet from my PV lol.
As for analog equivalents i expect them to be more common place than they are now i also would expect them to become somewhat better on vapor production and throat hit.
As for analog equivalents i expect them to be more common place than they are now i also would expect them to become somewhat better on vapor production and throat hit.
This is actually true, I can't for the life of me figure out why they are called e-cigs. Is it because they produce vapor and are inhaled? I think that right there is the first big mistake this medium made. Maybe they should consider rebranding themselves. It would have been better if vaping was approached as a completely new medium and with radically unique designs and form factors. Unfortunately though, that wasn't the case. They are called e-cigs, so when beginners look at them, they want to see things that look like minis(cig-alikes).
Its telling that majority of vapers all start with minis and graduate to something........ "more".
whats funny with what most here seem to not get about the "mods", at the end of the day its all about money. They want our money just like the big tobacco guys do. As vaping becomes more mainstream, I actually suspect that most of these "mods" will betray us. The only exception to that theory is if they don't get bigger. But if they become more successful, they will start devising ways to get their product to as many as possible, albeit a premium product; but still adopting strategies of mass production and ride on their brand recognition. Then even them will start wanting to compete with the big tobacco companies, start aggressive marketing and ultimately may become just like them.
Its a theory lol.
I think it has to do with how they started. Hon Lik was a Chinese pharmacist and smoker. His father smoked and died of lung cancer. He wanted to quit smoking so developed the ecig, and his company went into the first production of them. So they were initially designed for smokers as an alternative to help them quit.
I too have read everything in the newbie info thread, down to how to inhale... but I think you are missing one little point. Like what he and I are generally saying, at least for the parts we agree on, you like him, like most other people here started with the generic minis.
Simply put, your "reason" for upgrading was cause the cig-alike lacked the "performance or convenience" that you really needed to kick the analogs. That much as you have said is a fact. So lets extrapolate a little, if when you got that first e-cig, it somehow offered the performance of your current set up and was even more practical to use or carry around, chances are you wouldnt have "needed" to upgrade. Cause what you got was perfect for your needs. You won't have been upgrading out of necessity but simply as a hobbyist. In that regard, it wouldnt matter what you are paying for your kit and how much time or money you put into customizations, cause thats what you want to do not what you "need to or have to" do.
And thats why I feel that in ten years, it would be best for more people (cause not everyone has hundreds or thousands of dollars to invest in e-cigs or not everyone gets into e-cigs with the determination most here do due to a history of smoking half to death) if you could just walk into a store and buy a pack of carts from the brand of your choice and screw that onto your batteries. And that this set up be something that gives you great performance and value.
Modding should be a want... not a need and the only way to get it right.
Spot on. The future of vaping is mini ecigs (that perform well) and are simple to use.
Look how few people roll their own cigarettes despite it being a lot better value for money.
Most people are lazy/busy etc and will go for the easier option.
Look how few people roll their own cigarettes despite it being a lot better value for money.
Most people are lazy/busy etc and will go for the easier option.
Good Topic.
My 2c is where I would like to see it and where I think it might go.
My wish -
Better battery technology to help modders create even more beautiful designs and sizes. Continued juice development and flavours.
I would like to see some quality large studies done on vaping. Real data on its ability to help people quit smoking to show govts that people who vape feel a lot better than we did when we smoked and will probably live longer, healthier and more productive lives. These studies are expensive and usually paid for by industry in other areas but it is what is needed to influence public policy.
What I think - Cigarette companies will lobby to have nicotine restricted to whatever they are selling. Govts will tax us highly, in Australia anyway. I hope our creative juice vendors continue to thrive and don't lose out to high volume, small margins of big tobacco. I would like to believe that we continue to act and behave like adults making decisions that are in our best interests.
My 2c is where I would like to see it and where I think it might go.
My wish -
Better battery technology to help modders create even more beautiful designs and sizes. Continued juice development and flavours.
I would like to see some quality large studies done on vaping. Real data on its ability to help people quit smoking to show govts that people who vape feel a lot better than we did when we smoked and will probably live longer, healthier and more productive lives. These studies are expensive and usually paid for by industry in other areas but it is what is needed to influence public policy.
What I think - Cigarette companies will lobby to have nicotine restricted to whatever they are selling. Govts will tax us highly, in Australia anyway. I hope our creative juice vendors continue to thrive and don't lose out to high volume, small margins of big tobacco. I would like to believe that we continue to act and behave like adults making decisions that are in our best interests.
Actually alot of people do the RYO instead of the regular store bought smokes. That was the reason that they slipped in that RYO provision in the student loan bill here in the states.
As for everyone starting on Minis, not everyone does. At the RYO shop I get my wife's smokes at they carry both the minis and the full sized PV in stock. Like Ego Kgo, and soon Vision Novas. Like I posted earlier they are selling a ton of the larger systems and not hardly any, now, of the cig-a-likes. Granted prior to them offering the typical full sized PV they would sell some of the minis, but nowhere near like they are now with the full sized.
Down under might be a different dynamic than the states. I think most people here that smoke and/or vap don't really have an image issue, young or old. They are looking for performance over style. That being said I do see systems getting smaller as tech gets better. Though I don't see them being like the minis you like. After all I want a large capcity tank to hold more juice, and I won't go back to cartos.
While I agree that the trend is going more towards vaping (and that's good thing) what do you think will happen with all the tobacco farmers?
This thread is reminding me a bit of the evolution of the computer.
In the 50's and 60's, computers were built on a scale where they took up half a room (and, in many case, many times bigger than that). In the 70's and early 80's, it was theorized that one day people would own their own personal computers. It took a few companies (remember IBM and Burroughs?) to make that an actuality.
It took companies after those, who decided to play with the standard box of the computer, to where you now can have a computer with a form factor of almost whatever you want, from something that looks like a small cube, to something that's an all-in-one, to something that looks like a small piece of furniture that sits by your desk.
I have no doubt that in 10 years, there may be upgrades or changes in the devlopment of e-cigs. But, like the computer, I believe there will always be a marketplace for different form factors of e-cigs.
People will like mini's, e-cig look a likes, mods, etc. There may even be a standard, but, just like the computer, there will always be a market for different form factors, each satisfying those who purchase them.
As far as mainstream, IMHO, this e-cig community IS the mainstream (IMHO) for e-cigs. All the tech here is fluid (again, just like the computer, where the tech had changed so much in the last 10 years, getting smaller, bigger, faster, and in many cases, created).
I've never worried about how I might look to the masses out there who smoke analogs (peer pressure has never been in my dictionary). It's more than enough that a community exists like this, where information and ideas can be exchanged, and where new common experiences can be shared. Pardon me if I don't wait for that perfect small-form e-cig to appear to feel like "Hey! We can be part of the mainstream now!" I'm feeling pretty good about the future of e-cigs without waiting for "Big Tobacco" to create what they feel is the end-all, be-all e-cig.
In the 50's and 60's, computers were built on a scale where they took up half a room (and, in many case, many times bigger than that). In the 70's and early 80's, it was theorized that one day people would own their own personal computers. It took a few companies (remember IBM and Burroughs?) to make that an actuality.
It took companies after those, who decided to play with the standard box of the computer, to where you now can have a computer with a form factor of almost whatever you want, from something that looks like a small cube, to something that's an all-in-one, to something that looks like a small piece of furniture that sits by your desk.
I have no doubt that in 10 years, there may be upgrades or changes in the devlopment of e-cigs. But, like the computer, I believe there will always be a marketplace for different form factors of e-cigs.
People will like mini's, e-cig look a likes, mods, etc. There may even be a standard, but, just like the computer, there will always be a market for different form factors, each satisfying those who purchase them.
As far as mainstream, IMHO, this e-cig community IS the mainstream (IMHO) for e-cigs. All the tech here is fluid (again, just like the computer, where the tech had changed so much in the last 10 years, getting smaller, bigger, faster, and in many cases, created).
I've never worried about how I might look to the masses out there who smoke analogs (peer pressure has never been in my dictionary). It's more than enough that a community exists like this, where information and ideas can be exchanged, and where new common experiences can be shared. Pardon me if I don't wait for that perfect small-form e-cig to appear to feel like "Hey! We can be part of the mainstream now!" I'm feeling pretty good about the future of e-cigs without waiting for "Big Tobacco" to create what they feel is the end-all, be-all e-cig.
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This. Battery technology will continue to improve and the size of them will shrink. Too many industries need that right now. From phones to computers to cars.
I'm not a noob but if I could get a smaller battery ecig than my Ego with the same performance I would switch in a minute. It'll happen eventually.
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