The Muffin Man and The Milk Man - Company's response to Diacetyl, Acetoin or Acetyl Propionyl

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gin828

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You can bet the government will tax it, the FDA will regulate it, and it wont be any safer then it is now. Its all about the money. Nobody really cares about it once it generates tax dollars. They just gave us more time to get more people to switch to vaping and they will tax it. Whether you smoke or vape its about the money.
 

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Huh?

Huh?

That's what a risk is. That's what the word means. Doing something with a possibly negative outcome. What in the world are we talking about here? The action is the risk. The consequence is the consequence, whether positive, negative, or nil.

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Huh? HUH? Are you trying to talk about degree of risk? Okay ... fine. But that has nothing to do with the discussion that was happening. Neither I, nor anyone else I was debating, were discussing degrees of risk. It was a semantics discussion. Please, if you'd like to engage me in debate, debate against positions I've actually taken, not imaginary ones.
potential and possible do not mean the same thing.
possible means it could happen with the right circumstances.
potential means it's not likely to happen if at all.
it just acknowledges that nothing can obtain zero risk.
nothing has zero risk however,some risk I so low
as to be effectively zero in the real world.
mike
 

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Put down juice vendors on a public forum and ask them for money to support your needs.

hahhahaahahaha. Nobody is asking them for $.

(Have vendors been giving vapers money? I wasn't aware of that. Did I miss out on some money? :lol:)

I thought vendors were asking for our business and our money. ;)

I'm sure most vapers in AR will have no problem purchasing from those vendors who are licensed to sell "vapor products, alternative nicotine products, e-liquid products" and who want our business.

(Just like vapers who don't want to vape diacetyl and acetyl proprianol will have no problem purchasing from vendors who provide testing results.)

You seem to have the business model upside down. The consumer is not the beggar here. The consumers are the ones providing the purchasing power.


I was just wondering outloud if the copy on all the sites about supporting vapors and "the cause" is marketing and lip service or if it is actually in earnest.

These 4 companies appear to be standing behind their convictions. They are suing in Indiana:
LEGATO VAPORS LLC et al, v. COOK, et al. :: Justia Dockets & Filings

I think some people in business are not yet aware of just how "slim" it's going to get out there.....the battle for the consumer dollar gets more COMPETITIVE by the day.

$$$$$$$
 
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Indiana is leading the way to regulation with its own version of prohibition. If a vendor ships to Indiana it must pay Indiana first or you can always legally buy from the local Indiana vapor company that was created by the tax revenue king of the state..the Casino's. How convenient. I feel like I'm watching a mob movie unfold in my state. Cronyism is foaming at the mouth and once the state has control of importation taxation is a paved road.

If you don't follow the rules you are in possession of an illegal controlled substance.
 
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What on Earth are you talking about? You're just making up definitions now. That is not what potential means. I have to be honest ... this may be the single strangest interaction I've ever had on ECF. I'm half convinced you're joking.

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potential risk is not real risk. they are totally separate concepts.they mean
different things.
i am half convinced your just being contrary.
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mike
 

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potential and possible do not mean the same thing.
possible means it could happen with the right circumstances.
potential means it's not likely to happen if at all.
it just acknowledges that nothing can obtain zero risk.
nothing has zero risk however,some risk I so low
as to be effectively zero in the real world.
mike

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potential risk is not real risk. they are totally separate concepts.they mean
different things.
i am half convinced your just being contrary.
regards
mike

A little assistance from something called a dictionary. They are also also available online. I expect that at least one person on this thread will argue with the dictionary also.
Definition of POTENTIAL
existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality <potential benefits>
Definition of POSSIBLE
being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization <a possible but difficult task>
 
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Unless Lab B's quantitative results come in well above Lab A's limit of detection, there's no issue at all. That's why I said the limit of detection should be included in the published results -- and I've never seen test results that didn't include them.
Of course you would actually read the lab results Rossum. So many others would just read the headlines, which is what Vendor B would be counting on.
 

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A little assistance from something called a dictionary. They are also also available online. I expect that at least one person on this thread will argue with the dictionary also.
Definition of POTENTIAL
existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality <potential benefits>
Definition of POSSIBLE
being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization <a possible but difficult task>
well there you go.
potential. existing in possibility.not the real world.
its not tangible.
capable of development into actuality. not actuality.
possible, your definition speaks for itself.
thank you for sharing.
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well there you go.
potential. existing in possibility.not the real world.
its not tangible.
capable of development into actuality. not actuality.
possible, your definition speaks for itself.
thank you for sharing.
regards
mike

Not MY definitions, the credit belongs to Merriam Webster. Thanks for your predictable reply and the continued positive contribution to this thread.
 

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That's why I said the limit of detection should be included in the published results -- and I've never seen test results that didn't include them.

Yeah, I keep seeing results that are below detection limit, but since they are all from different laboratories, and they don't specify what the limit of detection IS, it's been driving me nuts.
 

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You can bet the government will tax it, the FDA will regulate it, and it wont be any safer then it is now. Its all about the money. Nobody really cares about it once it generates tax dollars. They just gave us more time to get more people to switch to vaping and they will tax it. Whether you smoke or vape its about the money.
So you don't believe product labeling if food? The ingredients are fake?
You don't think that the general vaping public will be "safer" knowing if Diketones are in eliquid they are buying or considering to buy?
 
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