Okay, buzz, this is for you, bud!
Sorry Ed.
But that CJ and Scales Logo doesn't carry much weight Unless it is Inscribed inside an Equilateral Triangle with Cryptic Latin phrases on each side.
But the Cape is Nice.
The myth of second hand vape
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Sorry Ed.
But that CJ and Scales Logo doesn't carry much weight Unless it is Inscribed inside an Equilateral Triangle with Cryptic Latin phrases on each side.
But the Cape is Nice.
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Very well.....
Justice, Equity, Law
Are the parts of the tri-force you insisted upon.
HA touche!
Justice is blind, Captain Justice sees all, like The ProVarinati!
Lumen Sees Totus
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Budgets are wonderful aren't they?
It is fun to create one then "play" with it.Yes, Virginia has a balanced budget. How did they get there? Well in 2010 they borrowed around 600mill from their own Pension Fund and gave the Pension Fund a note to be paid back in 10 years. Yes, they also made a lot of cuts and I applaud those. The payments come with a 7.5% interest rate that start being paid back this year.
Also. 2012 was an odd year. Any professional worth their salt had their wealthy client load up on income in 2012. So many states enjoyed a higher than normal tax revenue gain. Of course those state like Florida without an income tax do not apply.
Florida did some nice accounting too by throwing in millions from the mortgage fiasco into its general fund.
Very well.....
Justice, Equity, Law
Are the parts of the tri-force you insisted upon.
Now That's What I'm Talk n' About Willis.
Budgets are wonderful aren't they?
Yes, Virginia has a balanced budget. How did they get there? Well in 2010 they borrowed around 600mill from their own Pension Fund and gave the Pension Fund a note to be paid back in 10 years. Yes, they also made a lot of cuts and I applaud those. The payments come with a 7.5% interest rate that start being paid back this year.
Also. 2012 was an odd year. Any professional worth their salt had their wealthy client load up on income in 2012. So many states enjoyed a higher than normal tax revenue gain. Of course those state like Florida without an income tax do not apply.
Florida did some nice accounting too by throwing in millions from the mortgage fiasco into its general fund.
Well, I might say those were sour Ohio grapes, since you guys were downgraded to a AA+.
Hey, this is what Standard & Poors says, not me. Don't feel bad, at least you aren't in Illinois (A-).
Seriously, most of what you said about VA is accurate. My only point is that the state of the states finances are varied. Some run well, some run poorly. Fair enough?
Shame on you bluecat!
You just Shattered the Illusion of Solvency.
And Exposed some of the Downsides to Creative Accounting making things Look like they are in Good Shape at certain times.
Like During an Election Year.
Aye mate fair enough.
Don't get me started on Kasich. I was jumping for joy when he was elected. now if I could thump him out of office on his keester, I would do so.Don't get me wrong. I definitely am envious of the cuts that McConell made. I wasn't thrilled of the increases in spending. I understand debt, but not at the government level unless it short term < 1 year. State and Federal governments have gone way beyond the allowable debt they should mount.
Needless to say it will be interesting how vaping turns out. Personally I am surprised something has been done as of yet. They keep stalling it. Maybe it is a good thing maybe not.
If it matters.. I personally believe vaping is less harmful than smoking on a high degree. I also happen to believe that second hand vape is no more harmful than driving on 75 during rush hour with 8 18 wheelers blowing crap in my car. Whether it is harmful or not isn't my objection. It can be "offensive" to others. A big vape cloud in someones face is very annoying. Whether that is enough or not... well everyone has their opinion on that.
Those credit ratings agencies, eh? Who famously predicted the single biggest crash since the Great Depression.
Or was it 'arguably contributed to'...
...
I always confuse those.
I make budgets all the time, for profit. My favorite is when a client calls in the middle of the year and says we only have xx million allocated for this purchase... I need xxx million. I say simply.. budgets are made to be broken.
You will have to make a very compelling argument for me to buy that one. Are you referring to the un-justice department's fraud case? Even though the ratings of the securities matched nearly exactly that of Fitch and Moody's over the same period? Yeah, you think that could be retaliation for lowering the US bond rate? I think it might be.
In any case, I don't care if you hate S&P or not, or even if they are crooks. They are a standard of investment ratings. Ignore them if you want, worship them if you wish. It matters not to this lion.
We can always get CAPTAIN JUSTICE to issue new state bond ratings!! We can all trust him, for sure.
All I dont get is why do people keep asking for more? Is it because to prove their opinion is right? Is it just for the sake of having an argument? What is it?
I mean this Diogenes person asked for proof that second hand vape is harmless, people provided articles/studies/reports/etc and yet he/she still wants more, he/she wants a solid standpoint where it says in a huge bold font saying " second hand vape is completely harmless and safe, it is tested and proven. "
Just a suggestion, wouldn't it be a lot easier for you to avoid these arguments back and forth if you just accepted these information given to you, if you are not satisfied then do more research on your own. People have already provided some info, not everything needs to be handed to you until you are satisfied.
Anyway, i dont really care that much about the topic since I vape like when I used to smoke, i stay away from people and usually isolate myself when I vape because it is more fun to vape when no one is looking at you disgustingly just because you are "smoking" . I dont vape indoors except in my room too. But all these info is really great to know.
I mean this Diogenes person asked for proof that second hand vape is harmless, people provided articles/studies/reports/etc and yet he/she still wants more, he/she wants a solid standpoint where it says in a huge bold font saying " second hand vape is completely harmless and safe, it is tested and proven. "
Just a suggestion, wouldn't it be a lot easier for you to avoid these arguments back and forth if you just accepted these information given to you, if you are not satisfied then do more research on your own. People have already provided some info, not everything needs to be handed to you until you are satisfied.
Anyway, i dont really care that much about the topic since I vape like when I used to smoke, i stay away from people and usually isolate myself when I vape because it is more fun to vape when no one is looking at you disgustingly just because you are "smoking" . I dont vape indoors except in my room too. But all these info is really great to know.
ooooooh! do we have to use the antiquated letter or numerical rating system? what if we used the coolness of animals instead?
Unicorns at the top, Llamas and Penguins near the bottom..work out erryting inbetween.
Captian Justace says there is no place for him in this sort of thing. He only comes when real or imagined injustices occur. The financial world was dammed to hell buy Christ almost 2014 years ago even Captain Justice cant counter that mojo!
Yes, it is semantics. When people say "Is that safe" and you answer "yes", what they mean is "Is that reasonably safe?", not "Is that 100% guaranteed to always be safe?".
Is walking across the street safe? Yes. Is riding in an automobile safe? Yes. Is eating pizza safe? Yes. Is taking a shower safe? Yes. Is vaping safe? Yes. Is second hand vapor safe? Yes.
Every one of those has some level of risk, but it's a low level of risk. And of all of those I listed, the two related to vaping and second hand vapor are probably the lowest on the risk scale. I'm sure I can find examples of people who have died crossing the street, riding in an auto, eating pizza, or showering. Can you show evidence that anyone has died from vaping?
But you want to make vaping sound dangerous, so you've been arguing semantics.
Been discussed and shown to be pretty much hogwash
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...igarettes-cause-damage-lungs-study-finds.html
Are you playing devils advocate here...because pardon for my observation..you sound JUST like an ANTZ, really, it's very very hard to differentiate
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The fact is there is only a few, one or two, studies out there that deal with second-hand vapor. There are no, repeat, no long-term studies done at all. And when I say long-term, I'd be willing to accept a study done over a 6 month, 9 month, 1 year, etc, (which is not exactly long-term, but still something like that is better than a 3 hour study), timeframe, as vaping hasn't been around all that long. But again, there are no studies like that out.
The numbers the OP had used in his theory are flawed slightly. I do know that size matters here, the size of the room, the number of vapers. 1 person vaping 1ml an hour is high, per the OP, but what about 10 people vaping .1ml in an hour? I'm pretty sure I can vape much more than .1ml an hour, and I've only been vaping for about 6mos. If you have 20 people vaping even .1ml an hour, the OP's numbers just doubled. If those 20 people vaped .2ml per hour, quadruple. Point is, you can't pick and choose the numbers you use, and expect that it won't get challenged.
The OP's theory is based on math of one person vaping in a small room, over a period of 3 hours. This is not repeated exposure, just one time occurrence. Scientifically, how can we honestly say that is an absurdity to see second hand vape as a public hazard in anyway, even in a tightly confined space in the long-term when studies have only been done short-term?
I'll be 100% honest here, you want proof from me that second-hand vapor is harmful, I can't provide that, as no studies to my knowledge have been done that cover the long-term.
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