The Overlooked Tootle Puffer Gear Thread

[roxynoodle]

Some RTAs ARE a pain . All of them have the potential to be a pain to some people. I was talking about that with a friend last night. He's a really good builder and said no matter what, he couldn't build the Erlkonigin. That's an atty I've gotten along with since day one. However the kayfun 4 can be a headache for me,.and he loves them. Every 3rd or 4th wick I would dry hit and have to pull my deck and push the wick around with a screwdriver. So we each may have our affinity for different attys.

 

[roxynoodle]

I was just vaping my Le Magister and well...it doesn't use vacuum either so its another super easy atty to wick. Is it an RTA or rda? Hard to say, lol! Its unique. But, very easy. Single or dual coil, smallest airhole is 1.2mm. I think its a tootle atty.

 

[AndriaD]

I used to be a huge carto-tank fan, Zapped, until I tripped and fell into BCC-land back in 2012. Cartos clog, they don't boil clean very well, and they're actually more expensive than the Smoktech BCC coils that I buy here https://desertvapes.com/coils/smok/ once a month!

The big thing I think I'm trying to convey, hacking into poor Roxy's RTA thread, is that, for a lot of us, RTA's are a major headache to build. They're not convenient, fraught with "ruin your clothes leakage" perils, and I'm a little honked that vaping manufacturers seem to have dumped us carto-BCC folks by the side of the road!

Point three, newbie vapors looking at all the RTA videos and RTA Vape porn out there right now might be turned off of vaping because it looks like a complicated PITA. I know it would have done that to me..

But everything I've said here might be wrong. Maybe I just have more learning to do..

I'm curious about a couple of things... 1) Have you ever tried a Kayfun Lite Plus? -- NOT one of the newfangled kayfun v4's, I've heard they're a huge pain to build -- but Tobeco KFL+'s (the best clones of that tank, IMO) can be had nowadays for about $10-$15-ish -- and they really are very simple to build for; most of the time, if all the o-rings are in good shape, they don't leak, but I admit, sometimes changes in temp/air pressure can cause a very small amount of leakage. The only thing easier to build is a Magma -- which leaks like a sieve and I don't recommend -- or an Achilles, but at $18.95, and you don't build already, might not be someplace you want to go;

and 2) which part of the building process do you find most challenging/difficult?

I was very very resistant at first to the idea of coil building (I was even scared to death at first of dry-burning!), and certainly, it's not for everyone -- BUT -- if you don't have significant problems with your hands (arthritis or something similar), and you can either see well or correct your vision to be able to see well (I got a magnifying visor when I first started, so I could see the lil tiny things), it's really not that difficult a thing to learn. I'm a complete spaz, and any "techie" abilities I possess have been limited to computer software -- but somehow I managed to overcome my trepidations and all-round clumsiness and figure out coil building.

I'd love to see anyone who's serious about vaping be able to be completely independent of whatever nonsense the FDA decides to throw at us, and being able to build your own coils is a big part of that independence and self-sufficiency. If we had a better idea of what part is challenging you most, we might be able to offer more assistance.

Andria

 

[NancyR]

I"m not the only one to drip at less than 15W? Yours has a bunny though, way cooler than mine.

Not by a long shot, tho I still prefer volts over watts.

I've always dripped at less than 15 watts. That's all there was when I started dripping.

This was as good as it gets back then.

That is almost my daily set up, other than the atty type, I love the 306's and the 901's

Nobody ever mentions my ole A7s anymore (sniff-sniff)
https://highdesertvapes.com/products/Phoenix{47}A7-Rebuildable-Atomizer.html

I have the A7 mini that I use on my reo mini 2

There's been a huge discussion about defining a tootle puffer, which I didn't read. I think vaping under 25 watts is pretty much TPuffing these days. I'd like to see two post, single air supply versions of the Tugboat and Derringer. I tape one of the air supplies shut on those to help restrict the air flow and so they won't leak laying on their sides.

I tried to make the Achilles work for me, no luck. I'm playing with the Igo W without success yet. I keep going back to the Tugboat and Derringer clones and wishing they had 2 posts and one air supply. May be the temp control market will inspire some new rda's.

Personally wattage shouldn't have anything to do with it. Because I use a cisco 306 at 4.2 volts, my wattage is low, but these subohmers would never get up to 4.2 volts lol

THIS!! An HH357 on a provari...I was the envy of the dripping world. Which is only like three other people, since everyone seemed to prefer leaky cartotanks. haha

I may not use the HH357, but for me nothing beats the Cisco 306 LR

Anything for non-building tootie puffers? That's where I'm seeing no development. Anything 22mm sized is sub-ohm. I'm looking for 1.3 or higher so it'll work on my vw devices like provari.

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Yes, and if you want to drip Avid Vapor still carries good old fashioned atties

 

[aikanae1]

Well not building certainly has limitations. I would definitely own at least one reo years ago and probably would have attempted building a mod by now if they didn't rely on rda's (go figure. I think wiring my own mod would be cool). Ive seen FT selling premade coils with/without wicks that have gotten excellent reviews and Kanger even sells them for subtank rta. I'm still not interested. It's hard for me to imagine how it could get much easier - but some genius will come along and do just that eventually. Kudos to everyone messing around with this stuff since that's what drives development.

Sophia and diver did look interesting. Why hasn't anyone developed those into something more mainstream including the price? This is where the ball gets dropped - the intermediate vaper.

I figure by the time regulations come out I'll still have time to make an intelligent choice from what's on the market at the time. I've stock piled more nic than I can use and figure there's a good chance I can do trades if I still really really don't want to build.

I have to admit that the fast rate of various rda's/ subohm gear evolves is a turn off too. The expense of keeping up with developments is extreme. What sells for over $100 is outdated and can be found on the classies for a quarter of the price in a few months. Rarely does anything have much staying power. Clearos like nautilus tend to fair better - although that's why I'm complaining. Sort of a catch 22 when they hang around too long without development.

All of this would be a mute point if manufacturers released higher ohm coils for even half of the new tanks out right now.

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[Oregon Linda]

Unfortunately, aikanae1, I don't think higher ohm coils are going to make most subtanks vapable to MTL vapers. They're designed for lung hits and just aren't the right equipment for a tootle puffer. For me, I don't personally care if they are coming out with new tootle puffer tanks every few months. My pocketbook couldn't take it! I could be very happy with the tanks I have for the long term. Just because new developments are happening in vaping doesn't mean I'm going to jump aboard. TC is a case in point. I couldn't be any less interested in getting a temp control mod. For the way I vape, it makes no sense.

 

[TrollDragon]

I was just vaping my Le Magister and well...it doesn't use vacuum either so its another super easy atty to wick. Is it an RTA or RDA? Hard to say, lol! Its unique. But, very easy. Single or dual coil, smallest airhole is 1.2mm. I think its a tootle atty.

Nice!
So... The Le Magister or the Nectar?

I'd like to get one of those AGA T5's but there are none on FT, FC or GB...

 

[roxynoodle]

I think I might have seen a Diver clone, much to my surprise. I don't really know anything about cartos or rebuildable cartos.

Making your own mod is fun . I want to make more.

 

[Krisma]

Unfortunately, aikanae1, I don't think higher ohm coils are going to make most subtanks vapable to MTL vapers. They're designed for lung hits and just aren't the right equipment for a tootle puffer. For me, I don't personally care if they are coming out with new tootle puffer tanks every few months. My pocketbook couldn't take it! I could be very happy with the tanks I have for the long term. Just because new developments are happening in vaping doesn't mean I'm going to jump aboard. TC is a case in point. I couldn't be any less interested in getting a temp control mod. For the way I vape, it makes no sense.

Absolutely agree with you. This conversation is happening all over the place and I am glad to see I am not the only one. I mentioned elsewhere that I felt completely out of step with current vaping trends and it's almost like being the last pick in anyone's team.

 

[Krisma]

I think I might have seen a Diver clone, much to my surprise. I don't really know anything about cartos or rebuildable cartos.

Making your own mod is fun . I want to make more.

We have been making mods for me and I am loving the process.

We have another pair that will be the last ones that are being finished and varnished but these are the ones we have so far
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/down-the-modding-path.698505/

 

[roxynoodle]

Nice!
So... The Le Magister or the Nectar?

I'd like to get one of those AGA T5's but there are none on FT, FC or GB...

For me, I think the Nectar, but its a tough choice.

I know I saw Aga t5s on sale at Triangle Vape and I think VapeNW, but yeah, the shipping to Canada. If you want an HC Plus, I first came across them on a Canadian site. But, shipping to the US was too high so I had to order from China.

 

[roxynoodle]

I agree, some tanks just don't tootle even when you put the right coil in and try shutting down airflow. The just are meh. I think I have one of those now. I liked the normal 19mm Taifun GS2. Some of the cloners made a 22mm one so I got that, too. I don't know, its just blah with a similar build to the little one. The airflow isn't the same. I'm going to dual coil it to see if it wakes up. So the little one is a tootle tank, but the big one isn't. Go figure.

 

[TrollDragon]

For me, I think the Nectar, but its a tough choice.

I know I saw Aga t5s on sale at Triangle Vape and I think VapeNW, but yeah, the shipping to Canada. If you want an HC Plus, I first came across them on a Canadian site. But, shipping to the US was too high so I had to order from China.

Thanks! I think the Nectar is what I'll stick with as well.

I'll have to see what shipping is from Triangle or VapeNW on the T5. I had a look at the HC Plus a while back and there was something about it I just didn't care for.

The new Dolphin RDTA looks interesting with it's ceramic cup and top tank, might just have to try one and see.

 

[Oregon Linda]

That is weird, Roxy. I'm glad I got the 19mm one. Haven't gotten to it yet, but it's sitting there waiting for me to give it a try.

 

[TrollDragon]

That is weird, Roxy. I'm glad I got the 19mm one. Haven't gotten to it yet, but it's sitting there waiting for me to give it a try.

Try it!
An amazing little tank, I just love it! Thirsty little bugger though.

Wicking is the key with mesh straws from the tank section, I had it flood with the PTFE straws.

 

[NealBJr]

....Is it bad that I consider the kanger subtank a tootie puffer tank? I recoiled a few heads for 1.6 ohms, use the older style tank (one air inlet) and have the air intake low. Using a 1.2 ohm coil in the subtank now... 18 watts of pure puffieness.

Now, I use the Taifun GT2 on a cloupor 80w TC..... set for 270F 3 holes open....

Is this tootie puffing?

 

[roxynoodle]

....Is it bad that I consider the kanger subtank a tootie puffer tank? I recoiled a few heads for 1.6 ohms, use the older style tank (one air inlet) and have the air intake low. Using a 1.2 ohm coil in the subtank now... 18 watts of pure puffieness.

Now, I use the Taifun GT2 on a cloupor 80w TC..... set for 270F 3 holes open....

Is this tootie puffing?

I think a lot of people tootle on the Subtanks, especially the more recent versions.

Never had a TGT2, but had the first one, and it was definitely a tootle tank.

 

[roxynoodle]

That is weird, Roxy. I'm glad I got the 19mm one. Haven't gotten to it yet, but it's sitting there waiting for me to give it a try.

Its a great flavor tank. I only have the bottom airflow open and it definitely tootles. It is a thirsty little bugger, this is true. I'm not sure why, but he drinks juice for only running 15W.

But when they made the bigger one, they made everything bigger. The airhole is like 3mm. I wasn't expecting that. It needs duals or maybe a Clapton to bring it to life. So if you only tootle, avoid the bigger one. I think I can find a build that will bring out its best, but its not a good tootle tank.

 

[Burnie]

Sophia and diver did look interesting. Why hasn't anyone developed those into something more mainstream including the price? This is where the ball gets dropped - the intermediate vaper.

I think I might have seen a Diver clone, much to my surprise.

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10013070/2202600-hotcig-diver-v2-styled-cartomizer-rba-atomizer
I have 4 of them, work better wicked with rayon than with silica. I also ground off the flange so the IBTanked tanks would sit better on my mod. Is a PITA to change the coils after the first time, but not too bad. I still love my Sophia better, but no clone of that, yet.

 

[AndriaD]

I think I might have seen a Diver clone, much to my surprise. I don't really know anything about cartos or rebuildable cartos.

Saw one of those on FT, but someone said it's a piece of crap. *shrug*

I haven't yet paid $100 +/- for any piece of vape gear, and don't plan to start now, so the Sophia/Diver thing won't be happening, unless someone intelligent makes a clone of something like that which ISN'T a piece of crap, and DOESN'T cost $50-$100. Most I've paid for a tank/atty = $32.95 (my first two Tobeco KFL+); most I've paid for a mod = $55 (my Phiniac etched CF4).

I may be saving money by not smoking, but that doesn't mean I wanna throw it at mod/atty makers with delusions of grandeur.

Andria