The proposal

[Zeroi]

there have been a propossal, alongside current under-age bans, the introduction of laws banning the provision of tobacco to any citizen born in or after a specific year, suggesting the year 2000 as it is convenient for recall by all parties. The proposal introduces the concept of tobacco-free generations that will never legally be able to take up the harmful habit of smoking, at any age.

Implementation
The proposal has greater ease of implementation compared to the current measures. Attaching the ban to a fixed birth year removes the potential inaccuracies in mental calculation across the population, boosting the willingness and ease of enforcement. Identity document checks are already acceptable to the public in the purchases of cigarettes and alcohol, as well as (in Singapore) of mobile telephone subscriber identity module (SIM) cards as an anti-terrorism measure. Nevertheless, because vendors have an economic incentive to ignore the law if they believe it is not being adequately enforced, enforcement will remain an issue. Unlike current minimum-age controls however, its difficulty will decline over time, as there is a progressively widening age gap between impressionable young teenagers and those legally able to smoke: a 15-year-old who is keen to be thought 18 is rather less enthusiastic to be seen mimicking 30-year-olds!

 

[Zeroi]

I think the Law proposal is good but it still give 8 years of Sales to those teens who can still pick up smoking and good for the tobacco company. still the proposal is good in one way but i wish it could be like 2 years from now.

 

[Automaton]

It will never work.

Give me one example of prohibition being successful. Just one. When has banning something EVER stopped people from doing it?

Banning it will only make it even more appealing to young people. A ban on cigarettes will just make them look "cooler" and more "rebellious."

Also, did you know that it's EASIER for underage people to get a substance if it's illegal? Illegal dealers don't care if you're underage. They'll sell to anyone.

But if it's legal for adults only, then they can't get it from stores. They have to take a different route, through someone who ISN'T a dealer, and is more likely to be afraid to give it to them for fear of getting caught.

So banning cigarettes will only make it easier for kids to get them.

Besides the fact that it won't work, no one has a right to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their bodies. Are we going to try to ban alcohol (which has also never worked)? Coffee? Fast food? Soda?

There's a lot of things that are bad for us. Having the government try to act like a nanny not only doesn't work, but is insulting to personal liberty.

Just another pointless governmental over-stepping of power that would do nothing to prevent teens from smoking.

 

[Zeroi]

Well, i have nothing much to say, read up the 1st link for the proposal, i think this is real as Singapore Government always tell us what to do and we can only follow.
Government, check what they have done to stop those illegal Cigarettes on the 2nd link.
I grateful that i can still get my eGo on the go to Vape legally.

1.Phasing-out tobacco: proposal to deny access to tobacco for those born from 2000 -- Khoo et al. 19 (5): 355 -- Tobacco Control
2.Channelnewsasia.com

 

[Automaton]

Well, they're going to have a lot of fun trying to stop yet another boom in illegal activity. That's all I can say.

Prohibition has never worked, and it will never work. That's a historical and sociological reality. I don't understand why governments keep ignoring reality by continuing to resort to prohibition of everything they don't like.

 

[stubear62]

Moving this to the Law and the E-Cigarette Forum.

 

[Rosa]

Well, they're going to have a lot of fun trying to stop yet another boom in illegal activity. That's all I can say.

Prohibition has never worked, and it will never work. That's a historical and sociological reality. I don't understand why governments keep ignoring reality by continuing to resort to prohibition of everything they don't like.

Prohibition has never worked in America, but will it work in Singapore?

Perhaps it could, since (according to zeroi) the citizenry feel, "we can only follow".

U.S.A is one of just a handful of countries where the leadership of the country has less power than it's citizenry.

 

[Stutzy]

I would be astonished if a bill like that made it through the house. Not that that never happens lol, but this is pretty extreme.

 

[Algernon]

Well, they're going to have a lot of fun trying to stop yet another boom in illegal activity. That's all I can say.

Prohibition has never worked, and it will never work. That's a historical and sociological reality. I don't understand why governments keep ignoring reality by continuing to resort to prohibition of everything they don't like.

I don't think the government even recognizes it working... or ever working. The fact is that it's the only thing they really can do about it.

It's like a fat kid trying to get out of a small chair, there are better ways of doing it but... I highly doubt he's capable.

 

[Automaton]

Prohibition has never worked in America, but will it work in Singapore?

Perhaps it could, since (according to zeroi) the citizenry feel, "we can only follow".

U.S.A is one of just a handful of countries where the leadership of the country has less power than it's citizenry.

Nope. At least that's not what history tells us.

Prohibition is in defiance of everything we know about human nature, in addition to everything we know about prohibitive policies, in any country, in the past.

Human nature doesn't change much country-to-country. The illegal substances are the easiest to get in every country I've been to - America is not the only one. Not by a long shot.

In fact, I think in some other countries it's even worse.

 

[Zeroi]

Yes, the Citizen of Singapore will follow as it have been taught since we will young. I myself still follow the law. like no chewing gum in Singapore.

Nope. At least that's not what history tells us.

Prohibition is in defiance of everything we know about human nature, in addition to everything we know about prohibitive policies, in any country, in the past.

Human nature doesn't change much country-to-country. The illegal substances are the easiest to get in every country I've been to - America is not the only one. Not by a long shot.

In fact, I think in some other countries it's even worse.

 

[Automaton]

The majority of people do follow the law.

But the majority of people don't smoke, either.

The people who are currently addicted, and the people who don't care about the law, are a minority, but they will not obey it.

As a matter of fact, Singapore is one of the major suppliers of illegal opioids to the US. And yes, it's illegal in Singapore too.

So much for "people in Singapore will follow the law." They don't. They are a major supplier of illegal substances for the entire world.

 

[VeeDubb65]

It will never work.

Give me one example of prohibition being successful. Just one. When has banning something EVER stopped people from doing it?

What? That's crazy talk. What about when alcohol was banned in the US? Oh, wait.....

Um, look how well the more aggressive restriction of prescription drugs in the US than in Canada has reduced addiction rate! Oh, wait.....

Uhhh, I know there's one in here somewhere....

Banning guns to prevent violent crime!!! Crap. That one didn't work either.....

Isn't cheating on your spouse illegal in Massachusetts? I'm sure that one.... ah hell.


LMAO.


Seriously though, you're right. Blanket prohibition of something is hardly ever effective. Not to mention, this type of age discrimination would never fly in most countries.

 

[Automaton]

Yup. It didn't work in the US, and it won't work in Singapore.

The proof is easy to come by. As I said, opioid use/sale/smuggling is illegal in Singapore.

The punishment is death.

And yet, people still do it anyway. What makes anyone think they wouldn't do it with cigarettes?

"Hardly ever effective" is an exaggeration, VeeDubb. Don't be afraid to call it what it is. I am unaware of any case in all of history where prohibition has worked.

 

[Zeroi]

MistressNomad, Well as mentioned, Singapore have banned Chewing Gum and now our whole entire Singaporean don't experience stepping on the Gum on the floor or even sit on it. i have never seen any chewing gum stuck under the chair or on the floor for many many years and it will be that way. no doubt that i like Bubble gum, i can still get it illegally into Singapore via Malaysia for personal Consumption.

The Law can ban this and that no doubt of that. The People can do what ever they want, but don't get caught.

Well the Law stated that no Chewing Gum for Selling but Stupid thing is Nicorette can sell their nicotine gum. < i think Nicorette really pay alot for this.

Yup. It didn't work in the US, and it won't work in Singapore..

The proof is easy to come by. As I said, opioid use/sale/smuggling is illegal in Singapore.

The punishment is death.

And yet, people still do it anyway. What makes anyone think they wouldn't do it with cigarettes?

"Hardly ever effective" is an exaggeration, VeeDubb. Don't be afraid to call it what it is. I am unaware of any case in all of history where prohibition has worked.

 

[Automaton]

Well, if you're only concern is whether or not you SEE it, then fine. Yes, banning cigarettes will probably result in you seeing fewer people smoking them.

But they're still smoking them. And what's worse, is that kids will have an easier time getting cigarettes.

So, I guess ignorance is bliss. If you don't see it, that means you can fool yourself into thinking it's not happening, right?

It's still happening. It may even happen MORE than it does now.

Also, keep in mind that chewing gum isn't addictive. People probably didn't care that much that it was banned, although I'm sure plenty of people still chew gum anyway.

People have been known to risk their lives over getting their fix of whatever they're addicted to - cigarettes included.

If people are willing to risk the death penalty to get their opioids, they will do it for cigarettes too.