The Pyrex SS hybrid Wick

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dsy5

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Man, right now there are so many DUDs, CHUDs, ChIDs, DIDs out there, I'd say you may want to be a bit more specific. Any idea what the approx size of the wick port is on yours right now? May be kind of a moot point right now as you're probably vaping it as you type...

Mine are wicked up right now, but if I remember it was about 2.4mm - 2.5mm. However the concensus seemed to be that the glass tube would not necessarilly go into the hole, but be above it. Big Screen D bought some 1.5mm tubing which he plans on sticking into the hole.
 

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do you use a VV/VW?

how long do you typically dry burn to clean off the coil?

No it's and Ihybrid mech mod no vv/
i never dry burn for that long just did it to see how hot I could get the coil to answer the question about how hot could a coil get

This thermocouple is about 20 years old so I would be nice if anyone else could do a separate test to verify my findings I have no way to check accuracy of the equipment. Thermocouple is good for measuring up to 2000 deg f so this is well within its range to measure
 

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guys that sheet has 10000 S/cm and 10000 Siemens = 0.0001 Ohm [Ω] so I dont think it will work
what worried me initially was "PGS is a competitive conductive sheet with high thermal conductivity and high flexibility"


Just a repost on this because I think it was missed, and I don't think this is what we are looking for.
 

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guys that sheet has 10000 S/cm and 10000 Siemens = 0.0001 Ohm [Ω] so I dont think it will work
what worried me initially was "PGS is a competitive conductive sheet with high thermal conductivity and high flexibility"


That would be 0.0001 Ohm/cm^2.
How can an estimate of resistance vs. actual contact area with the coil in a moist squishy environment be figured?
Right now, I'm calculated out (see below).
 

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That would be 0.0001 Ohm/cm^2.
How can an estimate of resistance vs. actual contact area with the coil in a moist squishy environment be figured?
Right now, I'm calculated out (see below).

Well, wrap your head around this - if that is an acurate figure it is more conductive than stainless steel. And look what we have to go through with that.
 

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I don't see where you came up with those numbers or the energy passing ability - can you explain?

Per the 4th page in the mouser.com provided PDF on Panasonic Prolytic Graphite Sheets, page 4, the thermal conductivity (Watts/Meter-Kelvin) for PGS 100μm is from 600 to 800 in the X, Y directions. In the Z direction, 15.
http://www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/ThermalGraphiteSheets.pdf

Units of heat applied to the surface of a 1 cm square area of PGS 100μm will travel an average of 0.5 cm to reach the 1 cm edge of the area. The same energy will travel 0.01 cm to pass through the surface of the 100 micrometer sheet.

I'll give some bias to the X, Y directions and choose a value of 750 W/m-K.

10 Watts applied to surface and traveling in the X, Y directions will generate 10 Watts/0.005 meters = 2,000 units.

10 Watts applied to the surface and traveling in the Z direction will generate 10 watts/0.0001 meters = 100,000 units.

Now for the offered thermal coeficients...750 for X,Y and 15 for Z...
2,000 units x 750 = 1,500,000. 100,000 units x 15 = 1,500,000.

For the size of 1 cm x 1 cm and 100μm thickness, the energy traveling in the Z-axis is the same as the energy traveling in the X and Y axes.

This is proof enough for me that the Z axis contains significant thermal conductivity relative to the area of material as might be utilized in an SS Mesh wrapped wick. Further adding to the energy which might pass through the Z axis is the notion that the prolytic graphite sheet of 1 cm x 1 cm AND rolled into a tube would elimante the heat flowing out in the X and Y axes. That limit of the flow away from the mesh would create more heat than if we were dealing with an unbounded 1 cm x 1 cm area within a continuous sheet as would be implied by the calculations.

If thermal transmission capacity is the only criteria, I suspect the Graphite Sheets will work fine. Number of possible layer and such are beyond this illustration. While the thermal capabilities seem encouraging, there may be physical properties and possible electrical conductance concerns that remain to be understood more clearly. As well, the Graphite Sheets have a specified Heat Resistance value of 400 degrees C.


F.A.U.F. (Factual And Useful Formulas)
1 meter = 100 cm = 1,000 mm = 1,000,000 μm
1 inch = 2.56 cm
1 cm = 10 mm = ~0.3937" = ~3/8".
The circumfrence of a 3/32" diameter wick is about 0.748 cm or 7.48 mm


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you would feel it :)

I actually had that happen to me once with a TW screwdriver with an old Boge carto in my pants pocket.... Funny thing was I smelt it before I felt it in that instance. It was around that time I stared carrying around egos with the 5 click on and off instead.
 

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Per the 4th page in the mouser.com provided PDF on Panasonic Prolytic Graphite Sheets, page 4, the thermal conductivity (Watts/Meter-Kelvin) for PGS 100μm is from 600 to 800 in the X, Y directions. In the Z direction, 15.
http://www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/ThermalGraphiteSheets.pdf

Units of heat applied to the surface of a 1 cm square area of PGS 100μm will travel an average of 0.5 cm to reach the 1 cm edge of the area. The same energy will travel 0.01 cm to pass through the surface of the 100 micrometer sheet.

I'll give some bias to the X, Y directions and choose a value of 750 W/m-K.

10 Watts applied to surface and traveling in the X, Y directions will generate 10 Watts/0.005 meters = 2,000 units.

10 Watts applied to the surface and traveling in the Z direction will generate 10 watts/0.0001 meters = 100,000 units.

Now for the offered thermal coeficients...750 for X,Y and 15 for Z...
2,000 units x 750 = 1,500,000. 100,000 units x 15 = 1,500,000.

For the size of 1 cm x 1 cm and 100μm thickness, the energy traveling in the Z-axis is the same as the energy traveling in the X and Y axes.

This is proof enough for me that the Z axis contains significant thermal conductivity relative to the area of material as might be utilized in an SS Mesh wrapped wick. Further adding to the energy which might pass through the Z axis is the notion that the prolytic graphite sheet of 1 cm x 1 cm AND rolled into a tube would elimante the heat flowing out in the X and Y axes. That limit of the flow away from the mesh would create more heat than if we were dealing with an unbounded 1 cm x 1 cm area within a continuous sheet as would be implied by the calculations.

If thermal transmission capacity is the only criteria, I suspect the Graphite Sheets will work fine. Number of possible layer and such are beyond this illustration. While the thermal capabilities seem encouraging, there may be physical properties and possible electrical conductance concerns that remain to be understood more clearly. As well, the Graphite Sheets have a specified Heat Resistance value of 400 degrees C.


F.A.U.F. (Factual And Useful Formulas)
1 meter = 100 cm = 1,000 mm = 1,000,000 μm
1 inch = 2.56 cm
1 cm = 10 mm = ~0.3937" = ~3/8".
The circumfrence of a 3/32" diameter wick is about 0.748 cm or 7.48 mm


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well said....now i get it thanks!

oops wrong quote the first time
 
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