The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

[emberl]

What are you talking about?
You can buy that RY4 at Janty, the RY4 that Ludo is talking about.

What makes you think they will tell anyone what the ingredients are in the juice?
Coca Cola is not telling anyone what's in their soda.
LOL

Come on Man, if this Ludo character has the formula then what's keeping him from putting it back on the market with an obviously huge demand waiting on it? I mean even when it was on the market it was an exercise in futility for even the best e-liquid mixers to attempt to duplicate with it's mysteriously complex flavour. It baffled everyone and no one has come close to duplicating that unique flavour. Anyone that vaped the original would know that today's RY4's are not even like comparing Pepsi to Coca Cola, it's more like comparing Root Beer to friggin Ginger Ale...

 

[STILLSMOK9]

What are you talking about?
You can buy that RY4 at Janty, the RY4 that Ludo is talking about.

What makes you think they will tell anyone what the ingredients are in the juice?
Coca Cola is not telling anyone what's in their soda.
LOL

My bad, I thought you were insinuating that he had the formula for the original Dekang RY4 that was stolen back mid last year.

My apologies

 

[Buddafucco]

I can believe that Janty invented the RY4. Stop me if I'm wrong here but I'm still under the impression that Dekang is the one that was mass producing it. So something still had to happen on the Dekang side of things for the flavor to change.

 

[GMalarkey]

Wow all that is a interesting story. I wonder if the parties will ever reconcile and the actual original will be be reproduced.

 

[billherbst]

The posts above by emerl and Stillsmok9 seem to imply that we now have two different "original" RY4s: The first-ever (therefore "original") RY4 formula created by Ludo and still sold by Janty, but also another version of early RY4 marketed by Dekang (the "original Dekang RY4") that vanished mysteriously in 2010 and has now achieved mythic status among some vapers (StillSmok9 among them) as the "lost RY4".

Is that where things stand, or have I misunderstood the posts?

 

[SonnyCrack]

If you want the absolute WORST RY4 in the history of mankind get some Jersey Vape's - RY4..

I have a 10 ml bottle it steeped for 3 months.. Still tastes HORRIBLE.

 

[rook2pawn]

im smoking primevaping ry4. Hrm. Definitely not what i expected. There is definitely something "not sweet" about this ry4. I guess i was expecting lots of caramel and vanilla. this is more of a salty flavor. i did however, mix in some freedomsmoke Cookie and it came out ok.

i really like the ecigexpress ouR4 (cut with some pg for dilution) i really want to see other people's opinions of ouR4 .

 

[ournature]

The posts above by emerl and Stillsmok9 seem to imply that we now have two different "original" RY4s: The first-ever (therefore "original") RY4 formula created by Ludo and still sold by Janty, but also another version of early RY4 marketed by Dekang (the "original Dekang RY4") that vanished mysteriously in 2010 and has now achieved mythic status among some vapers (StillSmok9 among them) as the "lost RY4".

Is that where things stand, or have I misunderstood the posts?

i'm not sure the RY4 (classic range) sold by Janty now is the same of the 2007/2008 original take..
If i remember well janty did change juice manufacturer at least a couple of times from the beginning.
I remember janty had those transparent bottles with a simple transparent label in 2009 when i started vaping, then they had different labeled bottles in 2010 (purple label) and the taste of those juices was way different imo (including RY4).
Then they changed bottle labels again end 2010 beginning 2011 (the actual white/blue labels) and the taste changed again.
Now they have the elixir range too that is different from the classic one..

I suspect they might have switched between dekang/joye as a juice manufacturer at least a couple of times?
And i suspect the new elixir range is made by Hangsen (a new manufacturer settled up in the end of 2010 after a split from Dekang).
Some people says hangsen kept the 'original' dekang formulas and dekang had to change theirs..

 

[wv2win]

The posts above by emerl and Stillsmok9 seem to imply that we now have two different "original" RY4s: The first-ever (therefore "original") RY4 formula created by Ludo and still sold by Janty, but also another version of early RY4 marketed by Dekang (the "original Dekang RY4") that vanished mysteriously in 2010 and has now achieved mythic status among some vapers (StillSmok9 among them) as the "lost RY4".

Is that where things stand, or have I misunderstood the posts?

i'm not sure the RY4 (classic range) sold by Janty now is the same of the 2007/2008 original take..
If i remember well janty did change juice manufacturer at least a couple of times from the beginning.
I remember janty had those transparent bottles with a simple transparent label in 2009 when i started vaping, then they had different labeled bottles in 2010 (purple label) and the taste of those juices was way different imo (including RY4).
Then they changed bottle labels again end 2010 beginning 2011 (the actual white/blue labels) and the taste changed again.
Now they have the elixir range too that is different from the classic one..

I suspect they might have switched between dekang/joye as a juice manufacturer at least a couple of times?
And i suspect the new elixir range is made by Hangsen (a new manufacturer settled up in the end of 2010 after a split from Dekang).
Some people says hangsen kept the 'original' dekang formulas and dekang had to change theirs..

Bill, your take is about how I see, also. But to be honest, it's a little confusing.

I didn't know the name of the "new" company that broke off from Dekang, (until now), but it tracks with what a supplier told me, also. I tried an RY4 from a supplier who told me it was the "new" company (he never told me the name, so it may not be hangsen) and it was not much like the original.

Maybe the guy in the Chinese prison is the only one who knows for sure and he isn't talking, lol.

 

[Drak]

I'm smoking PrimeVaping ry4.
Hrm. Definitely not what i expected.
There is definitely something "not sweet" about this ry4.
I guess i was expecting lots of caramel and vanilla.
This is more of a salty flavor.

I think you're looking for Prime Vaping PV4.
That juice is exactly what you described.
Lots of sweet caramel with vanilla and tobacco flavors.

 

[billherbst]

i'm not sure the RY4 (classic range) sold by Janty now is the same of the 2007/2008 original take..
If i remember well janty did change juice manufacturer at least a couple of times from the beginning.
I remember janty had those transparent bottles with a simple transparent label in 2009 when i started vaping, then they had different labeled bottles in 2010 (purple label) and the taste of those juices was way different imo (including RY4). Then they changed bottle labels again end 2010 beginning 2011 (the actual white/blue labels) and the taste changed again. Now they have the elixir range too that is different from the classic one..

I suspect they might have switched between dekang/joye as a juice manufacturer at least a couple of times? And i suspect the new elixir range is made by Hangsen (a new manufacturer settled up in the end of 2010 after a split from Dekang). Some people says hangsen kept the 'original' dekang formulas and dekang had to change theirs..

ournature,

You may be correct. I simply don't know. I joined ECF in October 2010, the same week I began vaping and gave up cigs.

If you use the same recipe/formula with different manufacturing facilities, is it the same juice? I'd think close, maybe 98-99% identical (the difference being in the sourcing of the various ingredients, not the specs on the mix).

I do know that in a thread from early 2009 in the supplier's forum where someone asked for U.S. vendors of RY4, Ludo posted this: "You can order any liquids with us, RY4 is the original JANTY flavor, introduced 1.5 years ago by us. Many copies circulating... watch out for bad hygiene standards form China traders!!!"

Before the debut of the Janty's Elixir Line, the RY4 description/ordering pages of their web site stated: "The original Janty RY4 best seller, introduced on the market in 2007 by Janty." Since Janty introduced the Elixir Line and rechristened their earlier juices as the Classic Line, that description has moved. It now appears on the pages for Elixir RY4 (both PG and VG versions), but not on the Classic RY4 pages any more.

According to Janty, the Elixir liquids are manufactured with higher controls over quality and purity, but I doubt strongly that Janty changed the flavor formula/recipe of either their Classic or Elixir RY4s. One poster on the Janty forum stated that the Elixir RY4 tastes to him more like the Janty RY4 from 2009, while another person held the exact opposite opinion, that the Classic is more like the old stuff than the Elixir is. More evidence that taste is subjective, blahblahblah...

And I still don't know how any of this is connected to Dekang's "lost" RY4.

 

[STILLSMOK9]

ournature,

You may be correct. I simply don't know. I joined ECF in October 2010, the same week I began vaping and gave up cigs.

If you use the same recipe/formula with different manufacturing facilities, is it the same juice? I'd think close, maybe 98-99% identical (the difference being in the sourcing of the various ingredients, not the specs on the mix).

I do know that in a thread from early 2009 in the supplier's forum where someone asked for U.S. vendors of RY4, Ludo posted this: "You can order any liquids with us, RY4 is the original JANTY flavor, introduced 1.5 years ago by us. Many copies circulating... watch out for bad hygiene standards form China traders!!!"

Before the debut of the Janty's Elixir Line, the RY4 description/ordering pages of their web site stated: "The original Janty RY4 best seller, introduced on the market in 2007 by Janty." Since Janty introduced the Elixir Line and rechristened their earlier juices as the Classic Line, that description has moved. It now appears on the pages for Elixir RY4 (both PG and VG versions), but not on the Classic RY4 pages any more.

According to Janty, the Elixir liquids are manufactured with higher controls over quality and purity, but I doubt strongly that Janty changed the flavor formula/recipe of either their Classic or Elixir RY4s. One poster on the Janty forum stated that the Elixir RY4 tastes to him more like the Janty RY4 from 2009, while another person held the exact opposite opinion, that the Classic is more like the old stuff than the Elixir is. More evidence that taste is subjective, blahblahblah...

And I still don't know how any of this is connected to Dekang's "lost" RY4.

Bill, I had a lengthy conversation with a nice fellow (one of Janty's owners) who was from South Africa. He made it no secret to me that nobody has the stolen original formula. He also made it very clear to me that none of the Janty RY4's are the original formula and that it is not to be found. That's coming from the horses mouth!

 

[billherbst]

Bill, I had a lengthy conversation with a nice fellow (one of Janty's owners) who was from South Africa. He made it no secret to me that nobody has the stolen original formula. He also made it very clear to me that none of the Janty RY4's are the original formula and that it is not to be found. That's coming from the horses mouth!

Still,

Forgive me for being dense, but I remain confused. Ludo (either the primary owner or one of the owners) of Janty has made it clear that he "invented" RY4, and that Janty is continuing to this day to use his "original" formula.

Your post asserts that an owner of Janty admitted to you that the original formula has been lost.

I'm not doubting your truthfulness or the accuracy of your information, but something doesn't gibe here. I don't want to go so far as to say that anyone is out-and-out lying, but these statements cannot BOTH be true.

For what it's worth, I'm inclined to agree with you. Of those veteran ECF posters who adored the pre-June-2010 Dekang RY4 that suddenly changed after Dekang's chemist departed and was subsequently sent to the slammer, too many have left posts in various threads insisting that nothing now on the market tastes like the "lost" Dekang for me to think that those opinions are merely faulty memory or a mass hallucination. Seems reasonable to me to conclude that the old Dekang recipe/formula that so many people were gaga over did indeed vanish and is now lost, and that it was not identical to Ludo's original and still-available formulation.

I theorize that sometime after 2007 Dekang altered Ludo's original formula to "improve" it, and that this second-generation even-better RY4 (better at least in many people's opinions) is what has been lost.

But then, what do I know? Only what I read in the papers.

 

[Ceegary]

Whew! I'm kind of glad I never tasted the original formula so I'm not chasing a dragon without a tail.

 

[emberl]

Thanks again for answering the questions. If you ever get the answer about the "JOYE" on the caps, I would be interested. Oh, and let Ludo know that I think his RY4 is the best by far.

Janty bought their bottles from "JOYE".
Sometime in November they will be all gone, and Janty will come out with a new bottle, a nice one....

I told Ludo that you like their RY4 the best.


At the end of the year they'll release a brand new flavor, and brand new hardware.
Can't wait for that!

 

[emberl]

Bill, I had a lengthy conversation with a nice fellow (one of Janty's owners) who was from South Africa. He made it no secret to me that nobody has the stolen original formula. He also made it very clear to me that none of the Janty RY4's are the original formula and that it is not to be found. That's coming from the horses mouth!

That's not what Ludo told me, the Chinese Dekang factory sold the formula of the origional RY4 to other factories.
Take it for what it is.

Ludo knows, he's the boss.

;-)

 

[STILLSMOK9]

I theorize that sometime after 2007 Dekang altered Ludo's original formula to "improve" it, and that this second-generation even-better RY4 (better at least in many people's opinions) is what has been lost.

But then, what do I know? Only what I read in the papers.

I think this is a very good theory

 

[wv2win]

..........I theorize that sometime after 2007 Dekang altered Ludo's original formula to "improve" it, and that this second-generation even-better RY4 (better at least in many people's opinions) is what has been lost.

But then, what do I know? Only what I read in the papers.

Bill, I think you could be right.

 

[rook2pawn]

I think you're looking for Prime Vaping PV4.
That juice is exactly what you described.
Lots of sweet caramel with vanilla and tobacco flavors.

sorry that is what i meant, i checked my bottle and it says "PV4" in a blue medicine dropper glass bottle.

maybe i got a bad batch? Im not willing to try it again. I tried smoking it in my silver bullet w/ ce2's and it still
comes off as NOT sweet no vanilla taste no caramel taste, more of a taste of "band-aid" if that makes sense.

im so disappointed.


however, I did order a small 10ml of Chocolate Toffee from PrimeVaping and it is OUT OF THIS WORLD..

 

[billherbst]

rook2pawn,

Something is definitely amiss with your PV4 experience.

I don't usually ask people to trust me about juices---in fact, I almost always include the "taste is subjective, YMMV" disclaimer in my reviews---but trust me on this one: Prime Vaping's PV4 is a delicious RY4. The caramel is right out front, with tobacco and vanilla following in lovely balance. PV4 isn't "dessert vape" sweet, but the inherent sweetness of the caramel is very pleasing, especially with the vanilla overtones.

What is "band-aid" taste? Rubbery Plastic? I guess a bad batch is always possible, but I can't help but wonder if your CE2 is wicking the juice properly. I get it that you're done testing, though, so contact Jon at Prime Vaping. He's a good guy and one of the many vendors who works hard to please his customers, so I have no doubt that he'll do whatever he can to make you happy.