The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Well, then perhaps Hangsen RY4 is based on the fabled Dekang recipe. Your description of the 2009-early 2010 Dekang certainly matches my experience of the 2011 Hangsen.
Bill,
There is no comparison between Hangsen and the 'Lost' RY4! Hangsen is decent at best, while the 'Lost Formula WAS the Holy Grail........
Oh well, that's too bad it was only hearsay after all. Guess I'll scratch it off my list of things to try one of these days. The list was too long anyway so that's okay. It's funny, I coincidentally had a discussion with a guy in Germany over on the VZ new super concentrated flavors thread this morning after he stumbled into a combination of flavorings that he says he likes more than any RY4 he's bought, and reminds him a lot of the old Dekang RY4, and he's as big a fan of it as you are. I think he described it as "vaping bliss", lol.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/270008-new-super-concentrated-flavors-181.html#post5775193
LOL, I wasn't speaking from firsthand experience, so I concede.
Bill,
To answer the question to was it heavy tobacco? No it was not, it was about as much tobacco as Bounty Hunter to give you a comparison... Take away the heavy vanillla cake flavor and add a little caramel and a hint of cotton candy and there you go!
I agree with this. Much like Boba's, I don't know that I would have immediately thought tobacco if I didn't already know it was there. I'd venture that the tobacco flavor was even more muted than it is in Boba's even.
Thanks for your review. I like Vanilla very much and I'm searching RY4 with a lot of Vanilla, I hope they ship overseas.
Today, my mailman delivered my Vermillion River's KY4 (named by me). The born on date shows 3/12/2012, so I thought I would do a review. Let it be known, I am no billherbst. I can't drop similes like Lil' Kim dropping F-bombs. Nor can I paint my prose with metaphors. But I can tell you what I think. Now, where did I put my PV?
KY4 has Vermillion River's signature woody tobacco base. I love this tobacco base alone (Kentucky Premium Blend) or with the added flavorings (favorites are Vanilla and Peachwood). Not alot of sweetener was used to create KY4. It is like he took Kentucky Vanilla, and added Caramel.
The Caramel is a rich, creamy additive. It helps to sweeten the blend into a very good RY4. The caramel is very much like Mom & Pop's. Not bright and lively, more dark and gooey.
The tobacco and caramel stay seperate. They don't really blend into one flavor. I have noticed this about other VR flavored tobaccos. In Kentucky Cherrywood, I don't like the seperation. In KY4 I do. The caramel hits on inhale, the tobacco flavors the exhale, and vanilla is the thin twine wrapped throughout the voyage (this is why I don't use metaphors).
This is what I wanted from Vermillion Rivers, a good RY4 using their Kentucky Blend tobacco base. I would definately suggest this to anyone who is looking for a rich RY4 blend. There is plenty of flavor. TH and vapor are both good. This goes easily to #3 on my list (of 22 RY4s).
save me bill. your turn.
KY4 has Vermillion River's signature woody tobacco base. I love this tobacco base alone (Kentucky Premium Blend) or with the added flavorings (favorites are Vanilla and Peachwood). Not alot of sweetener was used to create KY4. It is like he took Kentucky Vanilla, and added Caramel.
The Caramel is a rich, creamy additive. It helps to sweeten the blend into a very good RY4. The caramel is very much like Mom & Pop's. Not bright and lively, more dark and gooey.
The tobacco and caramel stay seperate. They don't really blend into one flavor. I have noticed this about other VR flavored tobaccos. In Kentucky Cherrywood, I don't like the seperation. In KY4 I do. The caramel hits on inhale, the tobacco flavors the exhale, and vanilla is the thin twine wrapped throughout the voyage (this is why I don't use metaphors).
This is what I wanted from Vermillion Rivers, a good RY4 using their Kentucky Blend tobacco base. I would definately suggest this to anyone who is looking for a rich RY4 blend. There is plenty of flavor. TH and vapor are both good. This goes easily to #3 on my list (of 22 RY4s).
save me bill. your turn.
you could have The Really Big RY4 Sale of the Decade.
Doomsday Preppers.......lol
I like a bold tobacco. Something that grows hair on your chest. Those tinny (tin flavored) tobaccos don't do it for me.
The best flavor to me is Quick Nic Juice's RY4. It has a darkly sweet, rich caramel covering a woody, strong tobacco. The flavor comes together on day ten.
Some people don't like Quick Nic's RY4 at all, so YMMV.
Second on my RY4 list is RY4v2 from Mom & Pop Vapor Shop. This is more universally loved by RY4 fans. Even bill likes this blend. I did just purchase RYO4 from M&P's. The RYO4 has a stronger tobacco base. I am letting it steep and haven't even opened the bottle to smell it yet.
Number three was BackWoodBrew's RY4, with Kick Bass Vapor's RY4 right behind. Both of these need about a month in the closet to become good. Another couple weeks and they are great.
i fell in love with bb ry4, as many did, but i think for a different reason you may be able to help me with. It was the tobacco flavor that did it for me. I haven't found that other tobacco's i have tried taste good at all. with that in mind, what ry4 or tobacco would you recommend? same as above?
I might try Casablanca from BWB. It is another juice you have to steep, but worth the wait (to me). GJ4 from Goodejuice is very good, and their extracted tobacco is one you should like.
My suggestion would be to stay away from vendors that specialize in desserts. Just because they make a good Gooey Butter Cake do not mean they can do any tobaccos.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lly-big-ry4-roundup-long-116.html#post5217740 (link to post #1153)
^^^This link is billherbst's last RY4 ranking. It shows the best to worst (to his tastes). That list also shows the post number which he reviewed each ejuice. Browse through that list (top 25 or so) and then buy and try!
I wish I could help more. Truth is, BWB's RY4 was unique. You may come close, or you may find better. Good luck!
My suggestion would be to stay away from vendors that specialize in desserts. Just because they make a good Gooey Butter Cake do not mean they can do any tobaccos.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lly-big-ry4-roundup-long-116.html#post5217740 (link to post #1153)
^^^This link is billherbst's last RY4 ranking. It shows the best to worst (to his tastes). That list also shows the post number which he reviewed each ejuice. Browse through that list (top 25 or so) and then buy and try!
I wish I could help more. Truth is, BWB's RY4 was unique. You may come close, or you may find better. Good luck!
VermillionRiverEjuice is one of my two favorite suppliers, the other being NiteLiteVapor. I have two reasons for liking VermillionRiver so much. One is the fact they are located in Apple Valley, a second-tier suburb south of St. Paul, Minnesota (Vermillion River isn't just a made-up name; it's an actual river in Dakota County). I lived in the Twin Cities for 25 years of my adulthood, so I feel a certain sentimental loyalty to Minnesota. The other reason is Kentucky Premium Blend, my #1 most-loved tobacco juice of all time (although GoodEjuice Vita Bella has mounted a serious challenge for the top spot). Kentucky Premium is the base flavor that continues to spawn an increasing merry band of offspring variants: Kentucky Amaretto, Applewood, Blend No. 7, Cherrywood, Maplewood, Peachwood, and Kentucky Vanilla. And now KY4.
The 4.5ml sample bottle of KY4 that I received as a freebie in my last juice order (VR usually includes a free sample with each order) is a medium-golden colored liquid using an unspecified blend of base PG and VG (Id guess roughly 70/30 PG/VG) at 10mg nic strength. I added a little 36mg liquid nic to raise the juices nicotine concentration to 16mg, diluting the liquid from full strength by about 15%. Thats probably a punishable offense for a reviewer to do, but it was either that or vape it at 10mg, for which my palate is decidedly unaccustomed. After weighing the alternatives, I chose to commit the crime and slightly dilute the juice. Testing was done using a 2.8 ohm X7 Micromizer powered by a Madvapes VV box providing 5.0 loaded volts for a power output of 8.92 watts.
I feel that the hangdudes review of KY4 nailed it, and that I can add little of substance, except for my characteristic long-windedness (LOL). KY4 does indeed taste like Kentucky Vanilla to which has been added a nicely restrained but rich caramel, and (to my palate, anyway, since the hangdude didnt mention it) an extra shot of nutty flavor. Im not sure its peanut (might be), but dont think its more hazelnut (which Ive always believed to be a very subtle component of the Kentucky Premium base). Whatever nut it is, I like it.
KY4 is, of course, a custom rather than classic RY4. Unlike some custom recipes, however, KY4 doesnt shatter the classic flavor profile. Instead, it pushes gently at the limits while remaining in the fold of classics basic core flavors: tobacco, caramel, vanilla, and (optionally) nuts. No rhubarb, chocolate fudge, or other weirdo flavor additions. In other words, KY4 is a custom RY4 with classic sensibilities. On top of that, its smooth and delicious.
I might suggest that KY4 is subtle, but that could be due to the dilution of my sample. What I can attest for sure is that its good, and I like it. But then, Ive already admitted to being a big Kentucky Premium fan, so what else would we expect? If I vaped RY4s on a daily basis, KY4 could easily become an all-day vape, but since I dont vape RY4s on a daily basis anymore, thats just blowing smoke for the review.
Since Ive already added some nicotine to this sample, Ill probably end up adding more caramel and vanilla, along with a higher nic shot of my DIY Kentucky Premium. That will complete the travesty of my taking something Thats already really good and messing with it. But then, might as well be shot for a sheep as for a lamb, as they say.
I will happily add VermillionRiver KY4 to the Big RY4 List the next time its posted.
The 4.5ml sample bottle of KY4 that I received as a freebie in my last juice order (VR usually includes a free sample with each order) is a medium-golden colored liquid using an unspecified blend of base PG and VG (Id guess roughly 70/30 PG/VG) at 10mg nic strength. I added a little 36mg liquid nic to raise the juices nicotine concentration to 16mg, diluting the liquid from full strength by about 15%. Thats probably a punishable offense for a reviewer to do, but it was either that or vape it at 10mg, for which my palate is decidedly unaccustomed. After weighing the alternatives, I chose to commit the crime and slightly dilute the juice. Testing was done using a 2.8 ohm X7 Micromizer powered by a Madvapes VV box providing 5.0 loaded volts for a power output of 8.92 watts.
I feel that the hangdudes review of KY4 nailed it, and that I can add little of substance, except for my characteristic long-windedness (LOL). KY4 does indeed taste like Kentucky Vanilla to which has been added a nicely restrained but rich caramel, and (to my palate, anyway, since the hangdude didnt mention it) an extra shot of nutty flavor. Im not sure its peanut (might be), but dont think its more hazelnut (which Ive always believed to be a very subtle component of the Kentucky Premium base). Whatever nut it is, I like it.
KY4 is, of course, a custom rather than classic RY4. Unlike some custom recipes, however, KY4 doesnt shatter the classic flavor profile. Instead, it pushes gently at the limits while remaining in the fold of classics basic core flavors: tobacco, caramel, vanilla, and (optionally) nuts. No rhubarb, chocolate fudge, or other weirdo flavor additions. In other words, KY4 is a custom RY4 with classic sensibilities. On top of that, its smooth and delicious.
I might suggest that KY4 is subtle, but that could be due to the dilution of my sample. What I can attest for sure is that its good, and I like it. But then, Ive already admitted to being a big Kentucky Premium fan, so what else would we expect? If I vaped RY4s on a daily basis, KY4 could easily become an all-day vape, but since I dont vape RY4s on a daily basis anymore, thats just blowing smoke for the review.
Since Ive already added some nicotine to this sample, Ill probably end up adding more caramel and vanilla, along with a higher nic shot of my DIY Kentucky Premium. That will complete the travesty of my taking something Thats already really good and messing with it. But then, might as well be shot for a sheep as for a lamb, as they say.
I will happily add VermillionRiver KY4 to the Big RY4 List the next time its posted.
Well I got my KY4 in and to be honest I may need to let it steep because to me,which I understand we are all different, but it was just way to much like Kentucky Premium Blend with just a bit of sweetness added. I kept searching for something different but ended up with nothing to exciting here the base seemed just overpowering. I even kept looking at the bottle to make sure it did not say Kentucky Premium Blend. My next step will to be load in in a fresh cartos and see what happens.
passerbyeus,
I think you're right, pretty much. KY4 is another variation on a dominant theme, as are all the Kentucky Premium offshoots. That is VermillionRiver's flagship juice, and---other than their new Classic Blend, which is a "straighter" tobacco that I like a lot---they don't mess with Premium Blend much. In the case of their tobaccos, the apple never falls very far from the tree. This may make them more of a one-trick-pony than other juice vendors, but at least it's a thoroughbred pony.
I was hoping they would use the classic blend but figured it would be the Premium, to me that missed it up.
As I think about how KY4 would taste if Classic Blend rather than Premium had been used for the base tobacco, I have to admit that it's a heck of an idea. Good call, passer! VermillionRiver played it safe and may have missed an opportunity to expand its boundaries. I've been vaping Classic Blend much of the day---including right now---and darn, it's really good.
VermillionRiver is marketing Classic as analog-like, a "true tobacco experience," and the on-site customer reviews all echo that theme of tasting like "the real thing." VR even cautions that it's a carto-killer, obviously because of the particulates from the extraction process. I don't much care about either trait. Call it whatever you want, analog-like or not, the flavor is terrific---as is Premium's, with its very subtle hazelnut notes and pronounced richness---but Classic might prove in the long run to be even more deeply satisfying precisely because it's not as "flavored" and somewhat less sweet. Time will tell on that one.
As for carto-killing, many of my favorite extracted tobaccos---from Want2Vape, Mom&Pop, GoodEJuice, PrimeVaping, etc.---will eventually clog a carto, but so what? After a couple weeks of use and many partial refills by topping up, the bottom half of the carto filler does get blackened and sort of cruddy-looking with particulate build-up, but then I simply rinse out the carto under a strong stream of very hot water for a minute or two. That may not renew the filler to quite the pristine whiteness it had when brand new, but rinsing (or boiling, for folks whose plumbing doesn't offer sufficient pressure and force) works to refresh the carto two or three times until the draw finally tightens up after a couple of months. When that happens, I just pitch the carto and start over with a new one. I mean, what's the big deal? Cartos are cheap, and a small price to pay for such wonderful flavor.
So I did hear some good news straight from the mountains of Tennesse, Mountain Oak Vapor should have a RY4 ready in a couple of weeks, whats so good about that you may ask, well the tobacco base they have is really really good(I know short review), so hopefully they will not drop the ball , also this is what was said in the MT Oak Thread "To be honest, we've never had an RY4. We've done a lot of research and read a lot of reviews, so we have a basic idea. In a way, it may put us at a disadvantage, but I kind of feel that it's better to be a little different"......so hope that different means good 
, well the tobacco base they have is really really good(I know short review), so hopefully they will not drop the ball , also this is what was said in the MT Oak Thread "To be honest, we've never had an RY4. We've done a lot of research and read a lot of reviews, so we have a basic idea. In a way, it may put us at a disadvantage, but I kind of feel that it's better to be a little different"......so hope that different means good
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So I did hear some good news straight from the mountains of Tennesse, Mountain Oak Vapor should have a RY4 ready in a couple of weeks, whats so good about that you may ask
I have been sampling their Tennessee tobacco sampler pack for the past five days (flavor a day, eight bottles). The base is very good. Blue Ridge and today's flavor Tennessee Original are both outstanding. Because of my reviews being thorough and honest, and my love for a good RY4, they are sending me some of their early RY4 betas. I will let y'all know.
The base to their tobacco line is distinct. Like Halo and Vermillion and to bill, BWB, the base is unlike any I have tried. My brain tastes it as a hint of lemon. It is otherwise a very clean, almost ECO-Pure base. I think I might send off a sample of Tennessee Original to billherbst, just to see what he thinks. I have a sample or two of other stuff I have been meaning to get out to him.
Bill, have you tried any WTA? They don't do RY4, but this Turkish Blend is to die for!
Mt Oak may turn out to be a great one for sure, I just hope they dont put licorice in it someone there must love that stuff......
Remember the RY4 naming thread? Well now Mountain Oak Vapors is doing the same thing. You can post as often as you want (at least one post has to have a name), just no double posting.
They haven't yet settled on their RY4, but their Tennessee Original and Blue Ridge are very good. Very good!
Random.org will select winning post (doesn't have to be a name). So come over and chat, and maybe win some great juice.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...new-flavor-contest-big-prize.html#post5804189
They haven't yet settled on their RY4, but their Tennessee Original and Blue Ridge are very good. Very good!
Random.org will select winning post (doesn't have to be a name). So come over and chat, and maybe win some great juice.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...new-flavor-contest-big-prize.html#post5804189
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