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so was the OP showing enthusiasm or trying to overhype? the intent is not always obvious, so we of course maintain a little skepticism.

Really, nothing more than enthusiasm - so much so that the experience prompted me to learn how to 'blog' - apologies if it came across as an advertisement, folks - not the intention. Having tried products from other vendors that were entirely substandard, I was hoping to help others to steer clear and avoid the frustration of 'knowing' that there is a product out there that will do the job to knowing that one does, in fact, exist (if you catch my meaning). This product simply works, from a now ex-analog user, and watching my analog avoidance counter rise daily - (1000+ cigs to date?) Unreal -

A strong thank you to everyone for sharing your experiences with us in forums such as ECF! The information was better than I got from the guy at the corner tobacco supply!
 
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I did have to add a major qualification to the end of this review. You may want to find my MaxXFusion review on Vapenstein and head to the bottom of the article to read the section in italics. Everything I said in the original article stands, but a deal breaking issue arose for me.

(please note that the deal breaking issue involved user error, but it's still a deal breaker, for me)
 
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from what you understand?

that's quite a claim, Mike. could you maybe explain why you understand this, or why you'd post it in this guy's thread? is Leaford working for this company too, and implementing all of his hands on product development and testing?

or are they just copying it?

please elaborate.

This Leaford guy suposedly also made a bunch of "improvements" to the stardard 808 Chinese junk for V4Life. After buying a bunch of V4Life crap and compairing it to other vendors selling 808 stuff I quickly realized V4Life was the same stuff, just rebranded.
 
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Ms. - I was a KR808 user, for about a month awaiting the bloog maxxfusion batteries in the mail. The differences between these batteries and the standard 808s from V4L are pretty substantial. First, Bloog doesn't offer an XL (yet) - just the standard (320mAh) and the shorts (220mAh) - which is (as Leaford pointed out) 22% better capacity - this contributes to longevity between charges. At least initially, you'll have to settle for a shorter battery that lasts longer than the current standard battery of the same size but not as long as your XL - With that said, the Bloog batts are better in other areas: The draw on these is lighter and more 'realistic' - and, (as I have used V4L 808s and can tell the difference) the Bloog batt seems to heat the atty/coil more quickly and more consistently. This means, no primer puffs - from my experience, I think this is due to two improvements: 1) the switching mechanism of the battery and 2) the redesigned 808 cartos.

What I also noticed as a difference between V4L and Bloog is that the WOW cartos (V4L) have an 'airy' draw - a little too much so for my tastes and not as 'analog-like' as the Bloog. They were good - but, the WOW cartos have to be refilled constantly in order to keep my vaping consistent - I found myself dripping and driving which I hear is a very bad thing from other members on this forum. I just wanted enough length to get me home (about a 20-25 minute drive from the office). The bloogs, 12-15 drops in two cartos gets me thru the morning session, lunch, the drive to work and the drive home. Also, a significant difference is that the V4L WOW cartos burn, and once burned, are tossed. I've been vaping the same 5 cartos since I got my kit 3 days after release and the cartos are still going strong (although they are beginning to wane as of this posting...)

I'm still waiting for my reinforcements to arrive in the the mail :-( I know it's Xmas and NY - but, dang it - where's my stuff?

Plug these new cartos onto your 808 PT - and wow. I don't want to leave me desk anymore - they're simply flawless. I've heard that the 808 PTs operate at 5v which might be the difference - I wish I new how to use a multimeter to verify this as I might consider a 5v unit at some point as my vaping journey continues - but wow (did I already say that?) - nothing better to date (although my experience is limited).

Thing is now: I'm sooo over analogs now and the Bloog has been a most satisfying, pain-free way to kick the tobacco habit.

Hmmm...sounds to me like the redesigned cartos are what is making the biggest difference here. Do you know who manufactures them? I believe V4L's are Boge.
 

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That's a Kr8...which are all similar in design...
White Cloud is obviously a rip-off site.
What is your point though?
All I have gathered is that it is not for you...
Hijacking someone else's thread is kind of weak...

At one point Bloog were not dissimilar. I am glad they have changed their marketing model, it's a win win for all :)
 

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I did have to add a major qualification to the end of this review. You may want to find my MaxXFusion review on Vapenstein and head to the bottom of the article to read the section in italics. Everything I said in the original article stands, but a deal breaking issue arose for me.

(please note that the deal breaking issue involved user error, but it's still a deal breaker, for me)

Oh no what a bummer.. Could've told you that m8.. Theres talk about them adding the manuals and the xl batts too at some point. But don't know if its a definate..
I'm all about the autos. Some of my cartos leak alot when they get old, but havent killed a batt yet.. So its not like you have to keep it 100% dry.. but caution should be taken offcourse..
 

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It would be nice to see someone NOT recommend an ego/riva/mod for a change.
The main reason Egos and Rivas are selling like hotcakes is because of the battery life, and the Rivas are available in 901 threads as well (that's what I use).

There's quite a market for Rivas and Egos because of the battery life. Not saying they are the best device out there, but having a longer battery life negates having to use a PCC. I use my Riva all day at work with a Cisco LR 901 atty.
 

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So...Leaford left V4L and is with Bloog now? I did not know this.

As for the product being reviewed (and debated), I found Vapenstein's review helpful in getting some perspective. Only wish he were familiar with other Kr8s so he could have made comparison to those, rather than to the 510.

Based on that review, an exploration of BloogPlanet's website, and what I've read in this thread, I've reached these tentative conclusions:

  • Bloog's Maxx Fusion is a high-priced (but not ripoff/scam priced) Kr8 with a slightly higher-mAh automatic battery and top-of-the-line cartomizers. [The prices are comparable to V4L's.]

  • I'll add it to my own articles and guides on the Kr8 model.
Just a hint for people starting out with kr8.. You don't have to change everything to 510 if you wanna try something bigger..
The Pigcig has the same mAh as Ego/riva and is 808 threaded...
I wondered when someone was going to mention the Kr8 fat batts. I'm a CigEasy Elegant loyalist* myself, but the 650+ mAh of this type of battery (also including VaporNine's Defender) makes more sense to me than the added 40 mAh of the Fusion's 320 mAh batt. Also it is a sealed manual battery with a good manual switch. The only downside to these is their somewhat lower voltage, but with a really good cartomizer, they work well.
* As an Elegant loyalist;), I'll point out that it has 750 mAh and its two-battery kit sells for $15 less than the PigCig. [I don't know the PigCig's dimensions, but, from photos, it appears to be aptly named, i.e., wider than the Elegant.] And there is now a 1300 mAh XXL version of the Elegant. Its one battery starter kit has the same total mAh as the two-battery PigCig kit and sells for $25 less.
[Please don't mistake my Elegant loyalty for financially-based bias. I do have feelings of fondness for Frank at CigEasy, because: he sold me my very first e-cig ... provided the Elegant gratis for me to review (but with no ongoing incentives) ... and, most of all, recommended that I try the Leo (which I have come to love and he doesn't sell). However, CigEasy is only one of the scores (or is it hundreds now?) of suppliers I have recommended over the past 18 months.]
BTW, there is also the even lower-priced 750 mAh Riva-901, which I have read works with some Kr8 cartomizers. Liberty-Flights sells a two-battery kit for $37.50 ($30 after applying the 20% "ecf" discount code). I don't recommend it, unless: you want it for use with 901 attys, confirm that it will work with your favorite cartos, and/or purchase a 901-to-808 adapter (e.g., $1 from GoodProphets).
 
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Erhm, be careful now, isnt that just a 901 threaded riva? (witch LibertyFlights also sell)

If it is, theres no airflow for 808 cartos.. The great thing about the pig is that you don't need adapters....Its just a 808 threaded ego/riva type thing..

Oh and the point of the added 40 mAh in cigsize batts? Innovation! :headbang:
 
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Have we forgotten that this topic is about an analog sized device...

God forbid anyone make any money selling these products...especially a good one.

This thread has been taken over by a "veteran" who blew up a 2 piece unit trying to drip with it & others pushing mods.

Come on people!!! The OP showed enthusiasm for a product & had been told it was unfounded enthusiasm.

Thank you everyone!
Good job!

Not including Michelle...
 

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And now its turned into a whopper of a thread...
I wrote earlyer(oh spelling) that I would go to some MOD reviews and write about the kr8, so people could see, its a bit annoing.. But havent done it... cus its to silly and I think its spamming...
Allbeit the discussion, wether the modsquad should spam every little pv thread, or not, is not appropriate in this particular thread. Its still something I personally think should be brought to light...
The comment about every thread should be about big vs small: Really, no. Cus for one person, a 6ml carto is the most important thing in the world. For another its the hands free solution.. And so on... Cannot be discussed..
Its not that you must never ever ever....:nun: ever..mention anything but the device in question IMO, but its just to much.. And its the way its delivered. Small pv's suck! Buy a reo whatsitcalled blablabla And small pv's will never be able to compete in mAh's....oh really, they wont?? waau I DID not know that...oh wait, yes I did:blink: ok I'll stop now....

ups no I wont: while I wrote this, I vaped my kr8 hands free:p
 
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The main reason Egos and Rivas are selling like hotcakes is because of the battery life, and the Rivas are available in 901 threads as well (that's what I use).

Is this a Janty-support group?

Having had to find my own way into the e-cig realm completing research based on the written words of experience of users - I came to the following 2 conclusions: 1) That the KR808 tech is the best for those wanting a 'near analog' experience and overall ease of use, and 2) the more experience one has with vaping, the need for a mod may be in one's future. There are a number of paths one can choose from when finally selecting a model that works but after sifting through and analyzing a boat-load of data, the end-result was that I became tobacco free painlessly, easily, and at relatively low-cost.

With that said, I've already spent my alottment on e-cig paraphernalia at least until Jan 19, 2011 (break-even day) - but, if anyone has an EGO battery with their favorite carto they would like to LEND me (promise, I'll send it back) - I'll take a couple toots over a few days and do a side-by-side comparison. Leaford and Bloog put their common reps on the line by offering samples to skeptics for review, now - it's time for Janty (or a Janty user) to do the same. The number of times this thread has been hijacked by ego users, well - time for a side-by-side: Bloog vs. Ego - on my turf. Any takers?

The gauntlet has been thrown down...
 
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... . Everything I said in the original article stands, but a deal breaking issue arose for me. ...

Sir Vapenstein - did you drip with the carto attached to the battery? The noob that I am learnt early on how to fill an 808 carto from the plethra of how-tos drawn from the digital universe - from Doctor Vapor, to Leaford's pre-Bloog days -- never seen anyone drip a carto while attached. Personally, I prep my cartos for the next day on the night before - I added it my coffee prep routine (y'know - grind the beens, insert filter, set the timer...). I've never had a KR8 short out --

But, this does pique my interest -- (not that I'm going to be willing to spoil a KR8) -- thanks for pointing this out! This should be added as a warning...
 

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Erhm, be careful now, isnt that just a 901 threaded riva? (witch LibertyFlights also sell)

If it is, theres no airflow for 808 cartos.. The great thing about the pig is that you don't need adapters....Its just a 808 threaded ego/riva type thing..

Oh and the point of the added 40 mAh in cigsize batts? Innovation! :headbang:
Michelle, I'm not sure which "that" (from your first sentence) you are referring to. One of the models mentioned in the post just before yours (i.e., mine)? If so, which one? The Riva-901 is "just a 901 threaded riva" and you'll notice that I cautioned about its compatibility with Kr8 cartomizers. [I have read that some do work on it. I'm not sure which types.]

The Elegant, however, was designed specifically for the Kr8 cartomizer by an exclusively Kr8 supplier ... as were the Defender and the PigCig, which followed. And, yes, they also work just fine with 901 atty (as do all Kr8 batteries). And (with the appropriate adapter) they work great with other attys. [Since I don't particularly like cartos myself – and since I don't own a 510-based fat batt (ala eGO) – I've been using my Elegant batteries primarily with LR 306 attys.]

Have we forgotten that this topic is about an analog sized device...

God forbid anyone make any money selling these products...especially a good one.

This thread has been taken over by a "veteran" who blew up a 2 piece unit trying to drip with it & others pushing mods.

Come on people!!! The OP showed enthusiasm for a product & had been told it was unfounded enthusiasm.

Thank you everyone!
Good job!

Not including Michelle...
Mr. God, I'm going to assume for the moment that I am one of those you feel have been "pushing mods" and/or told the OP that his enthusiasm was unfounded.

To clarify: the fat batts are not mods. [Mods are battery housings; the fat batts are batteries with far higher mAh than those that came before.] They are wider (but no longer) than the skinny batts. In fact my 750 mAh Elegant is a bit shorter than the standard 280 mAh Kr8. And, as a fat batt user (who started with the 280 mAh Kr8 18 months ago): No, I am not impressed by 320 mAh.

As for dampening enthusiasm, I am not one of those who has slammed the OP (although my first impression of his review was similar to many here). [There are a fair number of folks who join ECF, post a sufficient number of times to be released from the New Members forum, only to promote a product ... never to be seen again. Forgive oldbies like me for being wary of an over-the-top review (by someone with the current month's join date) of a brand name that hasn't had the best rep in the past.]

And I do think it is appropriate to post counterpoints (reasoned and with civility) to a review. In my case, I acknowledged my consciousness-raising and I praised the aspect of the PV that impressed me: the cartomizer. As for the aspect which doesn't impress me (the $20 320 mAh battery), I offered alternatives for the consideration of others reading the thread.

Finally, what do you have against veterans? Have I or other old-timers mocked you for your more recent embracing of ECF and/or vaping? I welcome the fresh perspective of newer vapers. I do request that veterans like me (or Vapenstein, who is vaping savvy but not an ECF "veteran") be afforded a modicum of mutual respect. Take a look at his blog sometime and tell us what you think of his contribution to vaping. [So, he dripped in a cartomizer while still on the battery. That rates a chuckle, not a bash. As a 510 man, he's new to this cartomizer stuff and to auto batts.]
 
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Oh no what a bummer.. Could've told you that m8.. Theres talk about them adding the manuals and the xl batts too at some point. But don't know if its a definate..
I'm all about the autos. Some of my cartos leak alot when they get old, but havent killed a batt yet.. So its not like you have to keep it 100% dry.. but caution should be taken offcourse..

mostly I'm just sad, because I loved the way this device performed
 

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Sir Vapenstein - did you drip with the carto attached to the battery? The noob that I am learnt early on how to fill an 808 carto from the plethra of how-tos drawn from the digital universe - from Doctor Vapor, to Leaford's pre-Bloog days -- never seen anyone drip a carto while attached. Personally, I prep my cartos for the next day on the night before - I added it my coffee prep routine (y'know - grind the beens, insert filter, set the timer...). I've never had a KR8 short out --

But, this does pique my interest -- (not that I'm going to be willing to spoil a KR8) -- thanks for pointing this out! This should be added as a warning...

Yeah, this was totally a user error issue. My entire vaping life has revolved around 510 sealed battery mods. Not mad at the product, mad at myself for not thinking about the implications of juice getting into the battery. Also, this was my first experience with cartomizers, as I only use attys. Well, let me qualify that. I did get some ceramic 510 cartos. Here's my review of them:

Who is the sadist that designed these? I hate these cartos I hate these cartos I hate these cartos.

Long winded, I know, but they evoked strong emotions.
 
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