The Vmod XL 18650 Bottom Feeding Mod from Vapage - Part 2

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That's great bsidb. Thanks for posting.
 

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Lots & lots of vmod info here & a coupled other threads too.
I have a vmod XL on the way & guess I'll be experimenting as well.
Grew tired of the daily fiddling w / battery charging & gadget filling, hope this device goes longer between manipulations.
Likely go w / the supplied hybrid attys, if they're good tasting & last reasonably ... I'll be happy.

Wondering : has anyone attempted fitting a micro usb charging chip to a vmod ? ( evolv or similar )
I really like being able to plug in a device without having to remove batteries. Just a thought.
Glad theres so much useful info about these. THANKS.
 

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I don't know the answer to that carbonbegone. I would think it would be tricky cutting the chassis, but I am no modder or handy with that kind of thing.

I do believe the Vmod will certainly go longer between manipulations. I found that switching to mods with changeable 18650 batteries solved the "battery fatigue" I was getting and was a big relief.

Here's a link to some blogs on the Vmod that might come in handy:

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Received the XL today.
It's evident that I'll need to adapt to the peculiarities of this gadget .. getting weak hits, then pretty good ones, it's inconsistent for me early on.
Having more consistent luck with the carto than the hybrid atomizer at least today. Guess it stays wet longer ?
Draw was much too airy for me so I fitted a cut section of the rubbery carto protector inside the cone. Better now.
Anyone try dual coil cartos in the XL ? Results ?
Hoping I can learn to get along with this thing - the design & battery / fluid capacities are exactly what I'm wanting.
Just need to get the vape performance & consistency stable so I know it can be relied upon.
.... then it might be worth the effort to fit onboard micro USB charging !
 

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The atomizer needs "break-in". Takes awhile to really shine. That's what I remembered with mine. Didn't like the atomizer initially. Then they popped...

Use rbas now...

Oh, never considered the hybrid attys would need time to settle down. Thanks for the tip.
From my understanding a lot of XL users like those & have good luck with them lasting several weeks. I'd be happy with that.
I'll commit to getting some time on it ..
I have a little stingray dripping atty that I use for tasting & it's pretty great. Clean flavor.

I did see your info on fitting up an RBA, maybe I'll end up there eventually.
Is the major benefit of the RBA enhanced flavor ? Is it any less sensitive to to amount of juice being supplied ?

After using this XL for most of the day, that seems to be my issue; when I get just the right amount of liquid into it, it's pretty darned nice.
Too much or too little liquid results in disappointment -not giving up on it though.
 

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I prefer the performance and flavor I get using a SS mesh wick and 1/16"ID 10wrap of 28gauge Kanthal micro coil. Can't be beat IMHO. Still allows for dripping of other flavors and lasts me about 4 weeks before performance lags and I feel the need to build another.

IMO, better performance and far less $ but, a little more effort...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475580
 
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Understood about the rebuildables .. someday.
I tried the hybrid atomized again today, now that I'm getting a better feel for feeding the device ; it's better, better than the carto I'd say.
Glad I tried it again on your recommendation.

Already tiring of the constant tipping & so forth, guess the needle / tube extention ' blind squonk' is the next thing to get done.
It also seems that a fully charged battery is a huge difference maker, getting much fuller flavor with that.
The cheap charger supplied w / the unit still showed red after charging all night ? Battery seems fully charged, strange.
Guess I better put a meter on it.
Still - the most important thing seems to be feeding technique.
 

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I'd avoid the blind feed mod until you go to an rba. I found that when I did it it removed the ability to clear the chamber and left me with gurgling when I took a puff since the air passes through the chamber. With the tube, squeezing just adds more liquid. Without the tube you can squeeze and release a few times and it clears the chamber.
A lot of rbas draw their air through the cap and not the chamber...so avoid rbas that draw theirs through the 510 connection and not the cap..

The tube feed works great on a Reo because there isn't a chamber that liquid can get trapped in...
 
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Fitted a tube today.
The good news ; much more consistent filling & hence a better vape.
The bad news ; just as you mentioned - if it overfills in the least it does gurgle till it clears a bit.

So ... what would your recommendation be for a proper RBA that would fit without reinventing the wheel & operate correctly ?
I've got the supplied hybrid atty working as well as possible I think, already beginning to feel the need for a thicker, more voluminous vapor.

I watched a vid today where the guy was using a mandrel with a built in handle to turn while winding the coil, made the winding part ridiculously easy. Similar to the gadgets used to tie flys ( for fishing )
Couldn't one just wind up a dozen coils / wicks & be set for a long time ?
 

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Fitted a tube today.
The good news ; much more consistent filling & hence a better vape.
The bad news ; just as you mentioned - if it overfills in the least it does gurgle till it clears a bit.

So ... what would your recommendation be for a proper RBA that would fit without reinventing the wheel & operate correctly ?
I've got the supplied hybrid atty working as well as possible I think, already beginning to feel the need for a thicker, more voluminous vapor.

I watched a vid today where the guy was using a mandrel with a built in handle to turn while winding the coil, made the winding part ridiculously easy. Similar to the gadgets used to tie flys ( for fishing )
Couldn't one just wind up a dozen coils / wicks & be set for a long time ?

IF I were to wind coils, that is precisely what I'd do!
 

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The atomizer needs "break-in". Takes awhile to really shine. That's what I remembered with mine. Didn't like the atomizer initially. Then they popped...

Use rbas now...

Eddie, you were dead-on about the hybrid atty needing to 'break in'.
I ordered & tried one of the 1.5 hybrids & this thing is pretty great after a few days to get going. Damn it's good.
The newest versions have slightly thicker wire & are fitted with little teeny side wicks on each side of the coil to assist wicking from the stainless mesh. Very impressed so far ...

Thanks for the tip - I'd have likely given up on them had you not mentioned it. :thumb:
 

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Fitted a tube today.
The good news ; much more consistent filling & hence a better vape.
The bad news ; just as you mentioned - if it overfills in the least it does gurgle till it clears a bit.

So ... what would your recommendation be for a proper RBA that would fit without reinventing the wheel & operate correctly ?
I've got the supplied hybrid atty working as well as possible I think, already beginning to feel the need for a thicker, more voluminous vapor.

I watched a vid today where the guy was using a mandrel with a built in handle to turn while winding the coil, made the winding part ridiculously easy. Similar to the gadgets used to tie flys ( for fishing )
Couldn't one just wind up a dozen coils / wicks & be set for a long time ?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475580

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=449585
 

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Dammit, thought maybe I had a permanent solution but the 1.5 atty only made it a few days & started tasting bad, real bad.
Is it possible that I gunked it up - ran a bottle of Bobas bounty thru it ?
On a whim, I put the supplied silo carto back in & it's slightly muted but feeds more consistently, nice draw & is smooth. Same juice.
Wanting a set it / forget it solution.
Cisco spec 306 ? Perhaps ?
LR Smok carto ?
Suggestions for a trouble free , longish lasting carto or atty ?
Note : doubt I'll be buying any Bobas going forward. Discovered nicoticket.
 
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Bobas could definitely do it. Still that's pretty quick for an atty to get gunked up. Others have much more experience with a wider variety of atty's than I do. They'll inform you to your options.
Try a vodka soak maybe? Then blow out from the 510 connection and vape some un flavored if you have any. One thing I can tell you is don't dry burn. They'll get clean but, the one I did it to never performed the same.
 

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Bobas could definitely do it. Still that's pretty quick for an atty to get gunked up. Others have much more experience with a wider variety of atty's than I do. They'll inform you to your options.
Try a vodka soak maybe? Then blow out from the 510 connection and vape some un flavored if you have any. One thing I can tell you is don't dry burn. They'll get clean but, the one I did it to never performed the same.

Wow, I just had the precise opposite experience. With a Joplinesque attitude (nothing left to lose) I decided to REALLY clean out one of my old Vapage attIEs. I vodka soaked overnight, dried all day, then proceeded to dry burn the hellsbells out of it. At first only one wrap lit up. After what seemed to be an eternity, I was able to see two lit wraps. Little by little and slowly as all get out.... it FINALLY burned brightly... all across the coil. I let it cool, then gave it a second vodka bath. One more drying out period and that thing is choo choo-ing now! I dunno. It's all one big experiment as far as I can see.

Dammit, thought maybe I had a permanent solution but the 1.5 atty only made it a few days & started tasting bad, real bad.
Is it possible that I gunked it up - ran a bottle of Bobas bounty thru it ?
On a whim, I put the supplied silo carto back in & it's slightly muted but feeds more consistently, nice draw & is smooth. Same juice.
Wanting a set it / forget it solution.
Cisco spec 306 ? Perhaps ?
LR Smok carto ?
Suggestions for a trouble free , longish lasting carto or atty ?
Note : doubt I'll be buying any Bobas going forward. Discovered nicoticket.

carbon, Boba's is a tough one under the best of circumstances. Some say it's ONLY meant for a dripper (as in RBA). I've tried it on numerous occasions in the hopes that I might find the love of the flavor that so many raved about. Not only did I never find the love, I couldn't make it work in an atty or a karto for more than maybe a 1/2 hour. High VG is difficult at best.

I think the answer to your question lies more in the hands of the vliquid you use rather than the supplied heating element. You may find Nicoticket to be more coil friendly than Boba's. I sure did.

My mainstay vliquids (Nitelitevapor) run 65/35 PG/VG and I've never had an issue with any atomizer at all. In fact, kartos often last me weeks vs. days.
 
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