The Vmod XL 18650 Bottom Feeding Mod from Vapage - Part 2

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FisherPal, I have never used the IKV 306's or IO6's, (too many inconsistency issues with IKV's), as yet as I am extremely happy with the Cisco spec 306's.... IMO there is not a better, more consistent atty, than a Cisco spec LR306 1.5ohm atty out there!!!! I have noticed on occasion that the drip tip sometimes will spin and not come out when trying to remove them as well. Something I did realize is if you put just a little downwards pressure on it as you are trying to remove it, it will come out every time. I think it has something to do with the pressure from the gasket inside the atty connector. I don't have this problem all that often as I only remove the atty like once every 2-3 months or so. I vape only one juice so I never have to change atty's out till I think I need to put in a new one. I have still to this day not had an atty really go bad... Lucky me.... Hope this helps you out....

The inconsistency's I am referring to is him changing vendors and the atty's just aren't the same as they were several months ago. Vapor and actual atty diameter tolerances are quite a bit varied from the new vendor. There was some discussion about it back a month or so ago in their subforum....

Thanks for that info Muzichead. I've read a lot of good things about the Ciscos so ... maybe it's time to get my hands on one or two.
Was going to by the Hybrid from Vapage but notice it looks like they only have the 2.5 ohm ones in stock and really wanted to get my hands on some 1.5's. That's quite an endorsement of them, I must say! :)
 

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Howdy folks, Muzichead,

Yeah, if I use it, it will have to be brushed on or done a different way, dipping will add too much to the interior and, as you said tolerances are way too tight inside. I've got leather coming this weekend, so maybe a leather cover is gonna be the way to go. Just don't know yet.

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Now if you make up a leather cover, you've got to take a picture and show! That sounds like an awesome idea! I would sure buy one!! (hint, hint). Hey ... maybe you're on to something here! Sell a few of those each month and you'd be vaping for free and then some. :D

Still having some issues with the fine tuning, I'm sorry to say. Seem to be getting far too many dry hits even though it sure sounds like I'm getting juice up there when I squeeze. And sometimes when I squeeze the bottle, it just doesn't want to give - like there is an air lock or something. Will play around with the bottle a bit ... maybe I've tightened it too much and am interfering with air flow or something? I don't even know if that's possible. Anyway, I figure it's probably like riding a bike ... takes some getting used to it but once you've got it ... you're off and running.
 

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Is the hit airflow airy or plugged? I usually tilt, light squeeze a couple of times, then upright good squeeze a couple of times. Have yet to get a dry hit after that. What kind of atty and juice are you currently running?

Now if you make up a leather cover, you've got to take a picture and show! That sounds like an awesome idea! I would sure buy one!! (hint, hint). Hey ... maybe you're on to something here! Sell a few of those each month and you'd be vaping for free and then some. :D

Still having some issues with the fine tuning, I'm sorry to say. Seem to be getting far too many dry hits even though it sure sounds like I'm getting juice up there when I squeeze. And sometimes when I squeeze the bottle, it just doesn't want to give - like there is an air lock or something. Will play around with the bottle a bit ... maybe I've tightened it too much and am interfering with air flow or something? I don't even know if that's possible. Anyway, I figure it's probably like riding a bike ... takes some getting used to it but once you've got it ... you're off and running.
 

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Is the hit airflow airy or plugged? I usually tilt, light squeeze a couple of times, then upright good squeeze a couple of times. Have yet to get a dry hit after that. What kind of atty and juice are you currently running?

I'm using the 2.0 ohm hybrid atty that came with the kit and the juice is a 50/50 blend. And actually I have been getting quite suspicious about the juice. I've noticed in the past that this juice has a tendency to create 'bubble locks' but, as it's so damn tasty and I was using an Ego with cartos, it didn't matter before. I have a feeling that it matters now, though. I do have some juice that is 70/30 that I'll try. I didn't like it at all in the cartos but maybe it will taste decent now. If nothing else, would be interesting to see if the problems with dry hits disappears. Although I know I have read of other people on this thread using 50/50 with no problems ...
 

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So did you verify that the silicone seal is properly in place where the bottle screws into the XL? Bottle is fairly snug? Are you getting any juice leakage inside of the housing?

I use 50/50 almost exclusively and have had no trouble feeding juice even with a Boge carto. Feeding the juice (I refuse to use the work 'squonk', sorry) does take a bit of getting used to, but not much.

I'm using the 2.0 ohm hybrid atty that came with the kit and the juice is a 50/50 blend. And actually I have been getting quite suspicious about the juice. I've noticed in the past that this juice has a tendency to create 'bubble locks' but, as it's so damn tasty and I was using an Ego with cartos, it didn't matter before. I have a feeling that it matters now, though. I do have some juice that is 70/30 that I'll try. I didn't like it at all in the cartos but maybe it will taste decent now. If nothing else, would be interesting to see if the problems with dry hits disappears. Although I know I have read of other people on this thread using 50/50 with no problems ...
 

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So did you verify that the silicone seal is properly in place where the bottle screws into the XL? Bottle is fairly snug? Are you getting any juice leakage inside of the housing?

I use 50/50 almost exclusively and have had no trouble feeding juice even with a Boge carto. Feeding the juice (I refuse to use the work 'squonk', sorry) does take a bit of getting used to, but not much.

No leakage at all inside around the bottle. When I screw the atty out, there is quite a bit of juice up the shaft of it though ... just seems very strange that I can hear juice entering the chamber when I squeeze but still seem to get too many dry hits.

Also I can often tip it and no bubbles come up and it seems as if this is an important thing to watch for. Or is it?
 
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No leakage at all inside around the bottle. When I screw the atty out, there is quite a bit of juice up the shaft of it though ... just seems very strange that I can hear juice entering the chamber when I squeeze but still seem to get too many dry hits.

Also I can often tip it and no bubbles come up and it seems as if this is an important thing to watch for. Or is it?

give the VMOD XL a bath with warm water and few drops of dish washing soap. after that fill up the spare bottle with warm water and squeeze to wash the juice chamber. dry and give it a shot again.. I hope cleaning it will help.

or it could be the tight draw hybrid since you are using a 50/50 eliquid.

as far as the dry hits.. I think your hybrid has a coil that is not touching the wick.. try to push the coil to the wick.. the kits doesn't come with the new shifu spec hybrids. I've experienced those dry hits before using the non shifu spec hybrids.
 
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give the VMOD XL a bath with warm water and few drops of dish washing soap. after that fill up the spare bottle with warm water and squeeze to wash the juice chamber. dry and give it a shot again.. I hope cleaning it will help.

or it could be the tight draw hybrid since you are using a 50/50 eliquid.

as far as the dry hits.. I think your hybrid has a coil that is not touching the wick.. try to push the coil to the wick.. the kits doesn't come with the new shifu spec hybrids. I've experienced those dry hits before using the non shifu spec hybrids.

I'm thinking that you could be right on the mark with this, Chadster. Even as a newbie ... the process is dead easy! Tilt, squeeze, vape!! I just don't understand how I could be getting so many dry hits unless, for some reason, the juice isn't reaching the atty properly.

Even went so far as to try the IKV 306 tonight - one thing I found out in a big hurry is that the inner cone is a bugger to get threaded back on again! And the draw was so tight it was useless. I've actually put the Silo cartomizer in now. But I'll do the whole bath thing tomorrow night and see if that helps too.

Drives me crazy because, by the amount of juice that I see on the chimney of the atty, there IS juice getting in there ... it just doesn't seem to be hitting the coil properly. It's a real hit and miss (and mostly miss) thing. :(
 

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FisherPal, you may have already mentioned, but are you using the atty that came with the XL Kit? Those might not be the hybrids.

Secondly, are you using the 1.5 or the 2.0?

The non hybrids do not work the same as the shifu slant coil hybrids. Also, I found the learning curve using the 2.0 shifu's just a lot easier. The hotter coils in the 1.5 were a little harder to "use" for me. As a result, I burnt up a wick pretty much right off the bat LOL

I use the 2.0 exclusively now, but that's just because I like that level of vape and never have liked warmth of LR stuff.

So, what atty ARE you using?
 

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I've got the older atty - the hybrid 2.0 one - not the slanted coil one. I've been to Vapage's website as I was going to buy some of the new ones but looks like they only have the 2.5 ohm ones in stock right now and really don't want those - will wait until the 1.5's or 2.0's come back into stock.

In the meantime, I'm taking a break today from this whole atty business and have the Silo on it for now. Will take my Ego Twist and 306 to work as well 'just in case'. I'll give my VMod a thorough bath tonight as well. The rare times when I can get it to work like it should, this mod is unbeatable for flavor and I'm determined to get to the bottom of this!
 

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Interesting suggestion here which I'm going to try real soon. I'm sure you've heard of 'Bonuts'? I would say that when the juice is 'injected' into the atty, it will stand a better chance of staying there on top of the coil, along the same lines as a carto, but without that 'carto-ish' (?) flavor diminish. Worth a try.

I've got the older atty - the hybrid 2.0 one - not the slanted coil one. I've been to Vapage's website as I was going to buy some of the new ones but looks like they only have the 2.5 ohm ones in stock right now and really don't want those - will wait until the 1.5's or 2.0's come back into stock.

In the meantime, I'm taking a break today from this whole atty business and have the Silo on it for now. Will take my Ego Twist and 306 to work as well 'just in case'. I'll give my VMod a thorough bath tonight as well. The rare times when I can get it to work like it should, this mod is unbeatable for flavor and I'm determined to get to the bottom of this!
 

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Howdy folks,

Well, as a newbie, and now a stressed newbie, I also have an atty question of sorts. I also went to Vapage's website and discovered the same about the availability of the hybrid....it ain't there at the moment.

I have 10x 10 ml bottles from DesertVape that have been steeping for 4 days now, so got a few more days to go and they should be ready to vape. Decided I should make sure all is prepared. I had placed the packs of hybrids i got, in the Vapage box, but the box is now empty! Wife swears she didn't touch it, so I don't know what to think at this point, but either way, they are gone. I need to order some atomizers (and silos or replacements for the silos, they are missing too) ASAP. Like Racehorse, I enjoy a nice cool vape, so I was thinking about maybe a 2.0 or somewhere in that area.

OK, so now i'm gonna show just how new i am, and jump into an area i know nothing about. It hurts, but i have to admit, I know very very little about atomizers. Hell, i aint even sure what LR means unless its "lower resistance", and then that was a guess. I was looking at AvidVapers, and they have a number of different Cisco atomizers (cisco being the name batted about by ya'll, they have Aeros also, another name mentioned). Lend a brother a helping hand here please. I believe I need a bridge less atty, and it cannot be a sealed one, correct? What else should I know? And you can bypass those questions if you wanna just plain ol tell me which I should get. Well, tell me all about attys, I need to know for the future, but don't beat around the bush, I need a good suggestion as to the proper atty to use.

Yeah, I'm that new and uneducated.

Help me out folks, thanks guys.

Big Mac
 

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Howdy folks,

Well, as a newbie, and now a stressed newbie, I also have an atty question of sorts. I also went to Vapage's website and discovered the same about the availability of the hybrid....it ain't there at the moment.

I have 10x 10 ml bottles from DesertVape that have been steeping for 4 days now, so got a few more days to go and they should be ready to vape. Decided I should make sure all is prepared. I had placed the packs of hybrids i got, in the Vapage box, but the box is now empty! Wife swears she didn't touch it, so I don't know what to think at this point, but either way, they are gone. I need to order some atomizers (and silos or replacements for the silos, they are missing too) ASAP. Like Racehorse, I enjoy a nice cool vape, so I was thinking about maybe a 2.0 or somewhere in that area.

OK, so now i'm gonna show just how new i am, and jump into an area i know nothing about. It hurts, but i have to admit, I know very very little about atomizers. Hell, i aint even sure what LR means unless its "lower resistance", and then that was a guess. I was looking at AvidVapers, and they have a number of different Cisco atomizers (cisco being the name batted about by ya'll, they have Aeros also, another name mentioned). Lend a brother a helping hand here please. I believe I need a bridge less atty, and it cannot be a sealed one, correct? What else should I know? And you can bypass those questions if you wanna just plain ol tell me which I should get. Well, tell me all about attys, I need to know for the future, but don't beat around the bush, I need a good suggestion as to the proper atty to use.

Yeah, I'm that new and uneducated.

Help me out folks, thanks guys.

Big Mac

LR- Low Resistance (1.5 to 2.0 ohm). I suggest the Empiremods bridgeless atomizer. make sure you purchase the ones with the holes in the bottom ( they sell the same atomizer with sealed bottoms) they are pretty good with VMOD XL.
 
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Howdy Fisher Pal,

Yeah, I'll post a pic or two once the leather jacket is done. I made up a couple of different patterns today to see what I have to do. I'm pretty detail orientated when it comes to stuff like this (working with my hands), so the first one won't be real fancy, but it should be ok. I'm making one to hang from a lanyard. Got materials today, so I'll start once I'm satisfied with the mind games I play with myself before I start on any new project. You should see the wire wrapped jewelry I create, it would give you a good idea about how detailed my mind gets with this type of thing, I always have to dial it back some. All too often, when I start doing something like leatherworking, jewelry making, woodworking and charge for it, the fun seems to vanish. I'd rather give a few away if they come out good, wink, wink. We'll have to see how they come out first.

Howdy Bourbanman, yeap, I actually bought some before I went to pickup the leather, always have a backup plan, lol.

Ok, I'll keep ya posted.

Big Mac
 

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Mac,
you might find generic bridgeless hybrids elsewhere, but may I say that as far as i know, the only ones that mimic the design of HH357, and btw are more consistent, are the Aero and the AMG hybrid B/F (plus the slant coil)...
Get an Aero... for $11, they are practically the same imo as the AMG.
Then get some AMG when they restock (and when there's a discount).
Your choice is 1.5 or 2.0 Ohms.... you may remember that i go with 1.5 no matter what with any non VV mod because they will never give you a whispy vape all things being kosher. ymmv and i respect folks that go with 2.0 ...

Howdy folks,

Well, as a newbie, and now a stressed newbie, I also have an atty question of sorts. I also went to Vapage's website and discovered the same about the availability of the hybrid....it ain't there at the moment.

I have 10x 10 ml bottles from DesertVape that have been steeping for 4 days now, so got a few more days to go and they should be ready to vape. Decided I should make sure all is prepared. I had placed the packs of hybrids i got, in the Vapage box, but the box is now empty! Wife swears she didn't touch it, so I don't know what to think at this point, but either way, they are gone. I need to order some atomizers (and silos or replacements for the silos, they are missing too) ASAP. Like Racehorse, I enjoy a nice cool vape, so I was thinking about maybe a 2.0 or somewhere in that area.

OK, so now i'm gonna show just how new i am, and jump into an area i know nothing about. It hurts, but i have to admit, I know very very little about atomizers. Hell, i aint even sure what LR means unless its "lower resistance", and then that was a guess. I was looking at AvidVapers, and they have a number of different Cisco atomizers (cisco being the name batted about by ya'll, they have Aeros also, another name mentioned). Lend a brother a helping hand here please. I believe I need a bridge less atty, and it cannot be a sealed one, correct? What else should I know? And you can bypass those questions if you wanna just plain ol tell me which I should get. Well, tell me all about attys, I need to know for the future, but don't beat around the bush, I need a good suggestion as to the proper atty to use.

Yeah, I'm that new and uneducated.

Help me out folks, thanks guys.

Big Mac
 

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quoting myself!
that being said, if you are a "newbie" bear in mind there is a learning curve, and there are other LR atomizers out there that will work good too...
If i were counting coins I'd think about a few cheaper "good" LR atty that works and get my licks in and them go with the above.
I wouldn't recommend the HH357 either for same reason.
Mac,
you might find generic bridgeless hybrids elsewhere, but may I say that as far as i know, the only ones that mimic the design of HH357, and btw are more consistent, are the Aero and the AMG hybrid B/F (plus the slant coil)...
Get an Aero... for $11, they are practically the same imo as the AMG.
Then get some AMG when they restock (and when there's a discount).
Your choice is 1.5 or 2.0 Ohms.... you may remember that i go with 1.5 no matter what with any non VV mod because they will never give you a whispy vape all things being kosher. ymmv and i respect folks that go with 2.0 ...
 

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Well I made a rather interesting but disturbing discovery tonight. I have no idea why it is happening but sure goes a long way towards explaining the never-ending dry hits problem.

I washed the mod in hot water with a couple of drops of soap. Filled an empty bottle with hot water and squirted it through to get those parts cleaned out. Have only had the mod for a few days but I was ready to try anything. Let it all dry, put everything back together and ... no real difference. Although I wasn't getting the dry hit problem (for the first little while), I also wasn't getting any flavor.

So decided to take the case off, take the atty out and even take the inner thread off so I could get a real good look at what the heck was going on when I squeezed the bottle. One thing also ... when I tilt the mod, I get absolutely no bubbles until after I squeeze the bottle and then a couple of big bubbles come up. Anyway, when right side up, I started squeezing the bottle to see exactly how much juice was coming up. Much to my dismay ... hardly any! Lots of noise all right that made you think juice was coming up but only a teeny little amount bubbled up from the hole. Certainly not enough to wet an atty, I don't think, as it doesn't even drip down. As soon as you let go of the bottle, it disappears again. On the other hand, when I tilt it and squeeze to get some bubbles happening in the juice bottle, lots of juice seems to coat the shaft of the atty but, again, when I turn it right side up (and take out the atty so I can see what is happening) and squeeze ... nothing much comes out of the hole.

Am I doing something so painfully obviously wrong that I will slink away in total embarrassment never to be seen on the forum again?
 
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