The war against electronic cigarettes

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JustJulie

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JustJulie... I totally agree

I should have said...we probably wouldn't be in such a "High Profile" fight today if
they were known as a PV and didn't create clouds of vapor in the face of the zealots
so focused on banning cigarettes.

The post was more of a "rambling" thought

PS: If the PV didn't create a vapor like smoke...I would still be on cigarettes

I hear you on the vapor. It's funny . . . I can go for ages vaping with no visible vapor. (When in non-smoking areas, I continue to vape, but I hold the vapor for several seconds so that there is no visible vapor upon exhale . . . no need to freak anyone out.) I'm quite comfortable "stealth vaping," and find it is very satisfying. Having said that, the minute I leave the non-smoking area, the first thing I do is blow a beautiful, billowing cloud of vapor. So clearly, the vapor still does something for me, even now two years into my vaping journey. :)

As for the antis, I just don't know whether anything would have made them happy short of e-cigs with a pharmaceutical classification and smokers being treated as pathetic addicts. In other words, I don't think the antis would embrace any sort of recreational use of e-cigarettes--they want them as pharmaceuticals, complete with millions of dollars and years of testing, low (i.e., ineffective) nicotine levels, no flavors, and a plan for us to gradually reduce our nicotine dependence with the goal of becoming nicotine-free, tobacco-free, and vape-free within a relatively short time. :(

It's the old "quit or die" mentality. That, plus I'm convinced they just don't like to see anyone having any fun. Quitting should be a miserable experience. :p

All joking aside, if you read the briefs of the various "charities" in the NJOY v. FDA case (which you no doubt have already done), you'll see that they just can't seem to get their heads around the idea of vaping as a smoking alternative. They have "NRT" on the brain, which is a short-term use, not the long-term (indefinite) use that so many of us embrace.

In any event, feel free to "ramble." I do it all the time. :laugh:
 

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I've spent the last 25 years devoted to scientific research (primarily) in the field of Paleontology.
During this time (admittedly) I have associated with those who are at the top of the “mental”
Food Chain.

Being exposed to zealots (bottom of the “mental” food chain) has been a
real eye opening experience for me.

Many times I feel a huge sense of Social Embarrassment knowing that I am part of the human race
that has produced adults (many of which occupy positions of authority)...which lack the mental
capacity of reasoning.

My scientific observation and conclusion

Most of the zealot species could go extinct tomorrow and wouldn't be missed...
It's highly questionable if the rest should be allowed to breed!
 
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First, the electronic cigarette is no more a drug delivery device than is a pipe, a coffee cup or a spoon as examples. A pipe delivers drugs such as nicotine, a coffee cup delivers caffeine and a spoon delivers sugar. However none of these have gone through any FDA testing to determine whether they were "safe and effective"by the FDA. A much more used drug delivery device is the cigarette. It's a paper device, sometimes filtered to deliver a multitude of unhealthy ingredients that the FDA has only limited the flavoring in. In fact, they supported RIP cigarettes without screaming about the chemicals that are added that might harm the 46m smokers to "perhaps" prevent an occasional fire.

Technically I to have to agree with this but have noticed wht is happening outside of the small world of this forum.
This one can use herbs. Guess what kind of herb it is being used for.
iolite Vaporizer on Sale

Here are a couple of others:
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VaporGenie - the world's first Vaporizing Pipe!
 
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Technically I to have to agree with this but have noticed wht is happening outside of the small world of this forum...

I guess the point is that similar devices are available for smoking Pot
but vaporizers for heating herbs is not something new.

One can buy a small mesh screen and drop it into any standard pipe
and smoke the herb and save a lot of money. Of course it then wouldn't
be vaporizing.

So...Your point is since these devices are on the market that would be
another excuse for those opposing E-cigs to ban them?
 

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...vaporizers for heating herbs is not something new.

What people don't know, or care to know, is that this is where the "electronic cigarette" evolved from. "Personal Vaporizers" were around before "electronic cigarettes". They were used to inhale herbal "medicines" such as ginseng and the like (think traditional style Chinese medicine). "Electronic cigarette" users have pretty much taken over the technology as their own, completely forgetting about the other users who came before them.
 

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what is happening outside of the small world of this forum...
Traver

Quote Originally Posted by Petrodus
...vaporizers for heating herbs is not something new.

What people don't know, or care to know, is that this is where the "electronic cigarette" evolved from. "Personal Vaporizers" were around before "electronic cigarettes". They were used to inhale herbal "medicines" such as ginseng and the like (think traditional style Chinese medicine). "Electronic cigarette" users have pretty much taken over the technology as their own, completely forgetting about the other users who came before them.
JonnyVapΣ

We actually do know a little about what is going on
outside the small world of this forum
 

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One can buy a small mesh screen and drop it into any standard pipe
and smoke the herb and save a lot of money. Of course it then wouldn't
be vaporizing.

The difference is you can't smell it. So you can go out and get high anywhere. That would be another excuse to ban it. Local governments are even saying it confuses law enforcement. Another thing is when we say vaping is safer than tobacco we are usually referring to the devices we use. To me it seems that when you can put almost any thing you want into a vaporizer the picture changes.
Maybe I am making to much of this but as the market for this grows and these devices proliferate the governments, not just the federal government will be putting more effort into banning it.
 

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Maybe I am making to much of this but as the market for this grows and these devices proliferate the governments, not just the federal government will be putting more effort into banning it.

It's understood where you are coming from...
We can't do anything about it...People have been adapting various
technologies for smoking or vaporizing herbs for a long time.
Trust me...My generation came up with the phrase "Far Out"
and "Oh, Wow Man"
 
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I'm not sure how this topic came up, but I did some research on it. While the basic purpose of vaporizors and e-cigarettes are similar - they both heat something to inhale - the process and results are very different. Something like the iolite uses butane to create heat and heats solid, organic matter to the point where it releases the desired vapors from the plant. The e-cigarette uses a battery to heat an element which heats a liquid to break it down from liquid to mist (it's not a true vapor.) Heating a liquid with battery power to turn it into a mist and heating a solid with butane to release vapor are two different things. They do both help avoid inhaling smoke, though! So, while they are similar in function, it seems they aren't really related technology.

Edited to add: For a pot smoker to use an e-cig, they'd have to extract the desired chemicals from the plant and add it to PG or another liquid base. Conversely, e-liquid probably wouldn't work in an iolite vaporizer. Also, a vaporizor needs to get a lot hotter than an atty to work.
 
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Edited to add: For a pot smoker to use an e-cig, they'd have to extract the desired chemicals from the plant and add it to PG or another liquid base. Conversely, e-liquid probably wouldn't work in an iolite vaporizer.
FYI - I remember someone on some forum trying this and saying that the results did not come out well and the smell was still there.
 

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FYI - I remember someone on some forum trying this and saying that the results did not come out well and the smell was still there.

Yeah, I remember that! Someone also posted a link to a mary jane e-liquid, too. That didn't go over too well with e-cig advocates, as you can imagine! LOL!

I think Petrodus' point is that just because someone can use something for illegal purposes doesn't justify banning it for legal uses. If that were the case, aerosol products and basic household chemicals would have to be banned, too, right? (ie. huffing and .... are from everyday products not intended for illegal drug use)
 
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