The war against electronic cigarettes

[Petrodus]

Yes! Very eloquently put, Placebo Effect.

And Petrodus, I love your idea of organizing comment text for later reuse. I often do copy-paste on my commenting, but spend some time searching for what I said on a prior article. My 2011 resolution: Get organized!

You could also create shortcuts of the forum posts and place those in the folder. Renaming the shorcuts the same as the text file names then organizing the folder to be viewed in alpha order...will place text files and the shortcuts side-by-side.

At least this is what I do because often I wish to review what others said on the same thread.
I keep both the text files and shortcuts for a reason. If anything goes quirky with the Net...I still have the text

 

[jtpjc]

Nothing wrong with your approach Petrodus. When they keep repeating the same old stupidities, we can repeat with the same old truths. After all, repeating means teaching. And I feel we have the obligation to teach.

 

[kristin]

This is a good CASAA document too, that covers a lot of the drivel posted in articles or by anti-commentors: 8 Biggest Electronic Cigarette Myths

You can copy from it or just link to it in your comments.

 

[Placebo Effect]

I'm not sure if this news story was covered here -- Saginaw respiratory therapist: E-cigarettes safer than tobacco, help smokers quit | MLive.com

Sam Connon, a respiratory therapist at the Michigan Cardiovascular Institute, agreed that e-cigarettes are safer than tobacco cigarettes but still raise concerns. The FDA has not approved the new product because the organization cannot identify all the ingredients, he said. Several companies make e-cigarettes, and all have different levels of nicotine. Studies have identified carcinogens that are found in antifreeze in the e-cigarettes, he said.

“Safety is still a big question mark,” he said.

I called Mr. Connon an hour ago and had a positive discussion with him that included clearing up the antifreeze allegation. He said he was very open-minded to it, and seemed very happy to get accurate information on the product. I got his info and sent him Dr. Siegel's article, and also linked him to this forum's Success Stories section.

 

[Petrodus]

I called Mr. Connon an hour ago and had a positive discussion with him that included clearing up the antifreeze allegation. He said he was very open-minded to it, and seemed very happy to get accurate information on the product. I got his info and sent him Dr. Siegel's article, and also linked him to this forum's Success Stories section.

KUDOS and Double KUDOS ... You called him on the phone!!?? KUDOS
In the world of emails and e-petitions...Direct voice contact was made...
which of course, is the best way (if possible) for people to communicate
with each other...especially when the subject is controversial.
KUDOS

 

[kristin]

"carcingoens that are found in antifreeze"

Boy, that is REALLY butchering the facts! First - it was carcinogens found in tobacco (not antifreeze) that were found and second, there weren't any "studies" (plural) which found "carcinogens" but only the FDA claiming that the tobacco-specific nitrosamines they found in their tests were carcinogenic (which they shouldn't be at the levels found in the liquid any more than they are carcinogenic at levels in the FDA-approved patches) and they were the only ones to ever find any diethylene glycol (antifreeze.)

 

[Petrodus]

"carcingoens that are found in antifreeze"

Boy, that is REALLY butchering the facts! First - it was carcinogens found in TOBACCO (not antifreeze) that were found and second, there weren't any "studies" (plural) which found "carcinogens" but only the FDA claiming that the tobacco-specific nitrosamines they found in their tests were carcinogenic (which they shouldn't be at the levels found in the liquid any more than they are carcinogenic at levels in the FDA-approved patches) and they were the only ones to ever find any diethylene glycol (antifreeze.)

I refer all to Bill Maher's video (post 56 on page 6)

 

[Traver]

I'm not sure if this news story was covered here -- Saginaw respiratory therapist: E-cigarettes safer than tobacco, help smokers quit | MLive.com


I called Mr. Connon an hour ago and had a positive discussion with him that included clearing up the antifreeze allegation. He said he was very open-minded to it, and seemed very happy to get accurate information on the product. I got his info and sent him Dr. Siegel's article, and also linked him to this forum's Success Stories section.

We should keep in mind that at least some of the anti vaping crowd are doing it out of ignorance and lack of information. There is a lot of venting on this forum and I suppose that is inevitable. I think we should also try to get our members to approach any response in a friendly and informative manner and by that mean positive not defensive since almost all of the information out so far is on our side.

I also like the idea of having a place to collect all of this information and if we can't do it here I would be willing to host and I'm there are a many other members that would.

 

[Petrodus]

I also like the idea of having a place to collect all of this information and if we can't do it here I would be willing to host and I'm there are a many other members that would.

I also have a domain and I'm the webmaster (Chief cook and bottle washer) with many years of experience and thousands of web pages under my belt.

I've given the archiving information under 1 roof thing considerable thought. As you know, archiving is nothing more than copy and paste...However, the project would have to be "menu driven" and we are dealing with a fast moving and constantly evolving subject.

Offering the website space and willing to do the copy and paste thing (at no charge) is not an issue. Creating the menu and sub-pages could be accomplishment but who's in-charge of the menu and content and quality control and who's in charge of constantly reviewing and updating or deleting text IE quality control...Not Me

 

[kristin]

What kind of info are you trying to collect exactly? CASAA.org is meant to be a one-stop resource for anything and everything e-cig and harm reduction related. We'll be revamping it this year and adding FAQs sections to make it more organized. We can certainly add to the resource library.

 

[Traver]

I also have a domain and I'm the webmaster (Chief cook and bottle washer) with many years of experience and thousands of web pages under my belt.

Yes I am aware the issues and the endless hours of doing something like this. I have been writing websites and managing Bulletin Board back when you had to write you own script for a board. Having said that I am not an expert and may not be the best for the job. I did want to make it known that it is an option. I don't really want take on something like this on but I'm retired if does serve a useful purpose I would. That is if there was no other way.

What do you guys think of CASAA and would they be a useful vehicle. I have looked at their website but still don't know much about them? I also have no idea what this board would be willing to do.

 

[Petrodus]

Yes I am aware the issues and the endless hours of doing something like this. I have been writing websites and managing Bulletin Board back when you had to write you own script for a board. Having said that I am not an expert and may not be the best for the job. I did want to make it known that it is an option. I don't really want take on something like this on but I'm retired if does serve a useful purpose I would. That is if there was no other way.

What do you guys think of CASAA and would they be a useful vehicle. I have looked at their website but still don't know much about them? I also have no idea what this board would be willing to do.

I'm retired also...Have the time but I have a bad habit of volunteering for such labors of love
which (in most cases) ends up all on my shoulders and the cheerleaders can't be found.

Your suggestion about CASAA setting up an archive makes more sense. However, I know
how it feels to be volunteered to spear-head projects and so...
I have no closing for this...So I will just take a short bow and walk away.

 

[Vocalek]

Yes I am aware the issues and the endless hours of doing something like this. I have been writing websites and managing Bulletin Board back when you had to write you own script for a board. Having said that I am not an expert and may not be the best for the job. I did want to make it known that it is an option. I don't really want take on something like this on but I'm retired if does serve a useful purpose I would. That is if there was no other way.

What do you guys think of CASAA and would they be a useful vehicle. I have looked at their website but still don't know much about them? I also have no idea what this board would be willing to do.

This thread is a good starting place to learn some of the history of CASAA, which was born right here on ECF: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/65800-caasa-our-own-consumer-group-born.html

Our mission statement:

CASAA is a non-profit organization that works to ensure the availability of reduced harm alternatives to smoking and to provide smokers and non-smokers alike with truthful information about such alternatives.

And this post by Kristin provides more details about who / what we are:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/95016-what-who-casaa.html

We are actively seeking people who would be willing to serve as Regional Representatives, as well as a few dedicated people to fill vacancies on the Board of Directors.

See:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/69092-casaa-representatives-needed.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/136408-we-need-you.html

 

[Traver]

Thanks Vocalek, I registered on the bulletin board and peruse that for a while.

 

[ahardrain]

All we need is Al Gore to announce that E-cigs are "GREEN" and that all smokers must convert in order to save the planet. Hell... He probably win another Nobel. lol

They are "GREEN" ya know.

Al Gore invented the e-cig, right after the internet

 

[Petrodus]

E-cigarettes are as Green as "Apple Shakes"
No different than Nicorette gum except it looks like a cigarette
Rush Limbaugh

Source: Click Here

 

[swt_silhouette]

E-cigarettes are as Green as "Apple Shakes"
No different than Nicorette gum except it looks like a cigarette
Rush Limbaugh

Source: Click Here

RL is not exactly the most reputable spokesperson...Just saying.... o.0

 

[Petrodus]

RL is not exactly the most reputable spokesperson...Just saying.... o.0

It was just a "cute" GREEN comment

Regardless of opinions of RL or Katherine Heigl
They have influenced many to try E-cigarettes

 

[Petrodus]

Back to... The War against E-cigarettes
Here's an amusing video

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

Back to... The War against E-cigarettes
Here's an amusing video

NSFW if you LOL (really loud)


Awesome...