The "Well its gotta be bad for you!" Mentality

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xxJollyRogerxx

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I guess the question that popped into my head when I read this was .... "Well what is good about it?" Besides the statement "I don't smoke cigs anymore" which I think we all agree is an awesome thing but I think inhaling anything except air can't be good for you. That statement is made without any spins on it; like oh this person who has X disease needs to inhale X to survive; barring all that foolishness and the other people that are going to comment on air pollution, etc. As mentioned, we are not built to inhale this kind of stuff. Is it better than smoking? ... well of course it is! Is it better than not vaping at all? I would have to think not so
 

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Haven't you seen Idiocracy?

Let me start with I have no problem with being laughed at! So here goes:

Seen it? Hell, I had to look up "Idiocracy" just to know what you were talking about to even find out it was a movie! Had I just guessed, I would have responded "Yeah, several times each and every day!" And no, I didn't put it on my to do list.
 

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Here is a link to a professional study done on 1 single health issue caused by vapor. I'm not going as far to say that vaping is "bad" for you, because that would imply that it is comparable to analogs. However, read this article and make your own opinion about the subject.

http://www.iflscience. com/health-and-medicine/e-cigarette-vapor-shown-repress-immune-system]

E-Cigarette Vapor Shown To Repress Immune System | IFLScience[/url]
 
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Not everyone treat information the same. Some see all information as "facts" that are either true or false. They must be one or the other - or they are instantly rejected. Others my treat pieces of information as pieces of a puzzle that may or not at some point fit a bigger picture. You could almost seperate these two different behaviors as being driven by either emotion or intellect. When emotional discussions clash with intellectual discussions - nothing makes sense either emotionally or intellectually. Thus a complete inability to understand the others' point of view arise.

It is very possible to think that vaping is both less harmful than cigarettes - and that there is a potential to make it even less 'harmful' that it may or may not be today. There is no either/or. There are no sides. What we are requesting is science - not feelery and nonsensical utterings like "Why do you worry? You used to be a smoker!". In my mind, that is one narcissistic stance to take. Defense, attack and ridicule in one swift move.
 

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Here is a link to a professional study done on 1 single health issue caused by vapor. I'm not going as far to say that vaping is "bad" for you, because that would imply that it is comparable to analogs. However, read this article and make your own opinion about the subject.

http://www.iflscience. com/health-and-medicine/e-cigarette-vapor-shown-repress-immune-system

E-Cigarette Vapor Shown To Repress Immune System | IFLScience[/url]

Read this rebuttal so you have a complete picture to draw from.
Electronic Cigarettes and Airway Infections - Update - Bernd Mayer
 
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I consider vaping to be a method of risk reduction when compared to smoking. I don't know one way or the other whether vaping is "bad" and I don't really care. I mix my own and, if I add flavor to my 90%VG and 10% H2O, then I consider the more flavor added the less I reduce risk.

I like this Point of View.
 

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To me its harm reduction ,I believe vaping is way less harmfull than smoking .And Not vaping must be way less harmful than vaping. I have experienced side effects of PG and recently switched to higher VG content , early days yet but so far higher VG seems better for me. I talk to smokers about switching to vaping and usually suggest vaping is a way less harmful option.
 

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So here's my questions to you self-hating (lol) vapers: What makes you believe vaping is bad for you? Is it just the general, "Nothing good comes free" sort of idea? Is it the fact that there's nicotine, therefore it must be bad? Is it the questionability of the flavorings? Battery safety? I don't really understand.

My concern is that it's spreading misconception. If even vapers are saying, "Well it's bad for me but .... it!" it makes us appear careless and turns people off to the vape community, among the major problem of "spreading misinformation" (something which occurs all too often in the vape community). So let's hear it, you self-abasing vapers.

(Written with a corn of pepper, should be taken with a grain of salt.)

Not a self hating vaper, but feel I can answer the question.

I would say it is us having to constantly make note of what we mean by "safer than smoking" and then making the critical point of "it's not harmless." As nothing on the planet is harmless, then it would mean vaping isn't either. That some of us would translate that into "must be bad for you" is, IMO, very very important consideration. I'm a pretty big believer of (self) manifestation and do think we are that which is bringing about latest study showing some sort of harm associated with vaping, and then deciding (individually) how that impacts us (collectively). It's a pretty complex process as I understand things and so that short explanation I think captures things well, but barely scratches the surface of 'how it all works.'

I observe vast majority of smokers / ex-smokers don't really know actual harms associated with smoking. Believe what they heard or read (from ANTZ-leaning studies) and feel they "know." With this in mind, it doesn't surprise me when anyone thinks they have understanding of harms associated with vaping and yet can't defend their take on things when someone asks them reasonable questions. Really is just par for the course.

Had friend over today who smokes and as it is incredibly cold where I live, I suggested he have an eCig during his visit instead of going out for a smoke. He declined and then felt need to point out how eCigs are probably more harmful than smoking. I took (serious) issue with this and pretty much cut off his rhetoric with one fell swoop. Easy schmeasy as he clearly had zero idea what he was basing his rationale on, but obviously heard it somewhere. Was reluctant to get into it with me cause I'm sure he realized he was outmatched.

The whole "natural" thing is so messed up. People don't realize that vaping is natural, occurs in nature. We have evolved to this point, naturally. I'm always up for this sort of discussion but find people are usually way way behind on how nature works that it becomes challenging, for some, to understand. Open your eyes. Observe the world around you. All (relatively) natural.

I agree that some active vapers are spreading misconceptions. We could call it 'vaper's guilt.' I'm not looking forward to the day when ex-vapers exist and some of them feel compelled to join the ranks of ANTZ.
 

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Let me start with I have no problem with being laughed at! So here goes:

Seen it? Hell, I had to look up "Idiocracy" just to know what you were talking about to even find out it was a movie! Had I just guessed, I would have responded "Yeah, several times each and every day!" And no, I didn't put it on my to do list.

You should, it's a great movie. And not just as an intelligent discourse on the rabid anti-intellectualism rampant in today's society, but it's also just a really funny comedy made by Mike Judge (the same guy who brought us Office Space, King of the Hll, and Beavis and Butthead.)
 
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Vast majority of people here are ex-smokers. Smoking is very bad for you, and a significant majority here would still be risking their lives smoking, if it were not for vaping.

Is vaping absolutely safe? I really don't know, and, frankly, I really don't care. I am healthier now thanks to vaping, than I was while smoking. Odds are excellent that if you cut off my vape supply, I would eventually go back to smoking, to endless coughing, phlegm, bronchitis, and stink.
 

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Is vaping bad for you maybe I don't honestly know I'm not a scientist and I don't have the equipment to find out (or the brains) is it safer then smoking for me yep it is, is it safer for people around me yes it is believe that's backed up by real evidence now as well. Is vaping 100% safe and good for me nope it isn't because nothing is 100% safe and good for you now hell even fresh air isn't fresh anymore so there you have it do I worry about it let me have some vape time I'll think about it and get back to you.
 

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To me its harm reduction ,I believe vaping is way less harmfull than smoking .And Not vaping must be way less harmful than vaping. I have experienced side effects of PG and recently switched to higher VG content , early days yet but so far higher VG seems better for me. I talk to smokers about switching to vaping and usually suggest vaping is a way less harmful option.

This is also the Approach I take with the People around me who Still Smoke.

That Vaping is Most Likely not without some level of Harm. But is (to Me) Much Less Harmful then Inhaling Cigarette Smoke.
 

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You should, it's a great movie. And not just as an intelligent discourse on the rabid anti-intellectualism rampant in today's society, but it's also just a really funny comedy made by Mike Judge (the same guy who brought us Office Space, King of the Hll, and Beavis and Butthead.)

:lol: Guessing you read the post without looking at the screen name?

The same guy that brought us Beavis and Butthead? That in and of itself would keep me from watching it if it was on tv free! :lol:
 

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I'm just here for the nicotine. Is it bad? Maybe. Is it better than my old multi pack a day habit? Assuredly. Is it better than my cigars? Probably. Is it better than my briar pipes? Most likely. Is it less expensive than my nicotine gum? Most definitely.

Still thinking about getting a houka though. Did I tell you I like nicotine?
 
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