Generally if a mod will take an 18650, it will also take the Tenergys and AW 16340s, a better choice than the 15270s and with no magnets needed. You will also find out that the 17670s will also fit-I'm not worried about the batts.
The Wooder Man Custon wooden bottom feed juice box.
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Generally if a mod will take an 18650, it will also take the Tenergys and AW 16340s, a better choice than the 15270s and with no magnets needed. You will also find out that the 17670s will also fit-I'm not worried about the batts.
+1 Jcamacho's got it right... I can understand wanting to protect something you've created and worked hard on, but realistically unless your feed system is truly revolutionary I don't think you have to worry about copy cats. The folks buying either can't or don't want to make their own mod. Even if they can make their own, they still may want yours! But not if they don't know what it's about...
If it IS revolutionary then you should protect it legally... Otherwise I think you'd be better served here by breaking it down and explaining to potential customers how the feed system works - especially if there are any tricks or tips you could offer to increase our vaping enjoyment with your mod.
G' morning JC. Wooders, I like that. Monkey Box Wooders.
Just checking in for a sec. Gotta run.
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I can understand yous guys concerns. I am just not ready to show you something until maybe monday after christmas. I gave a couple away to let people see them and report what they like and don't like and get the word out. I will be a process of improvement that (I wish to post here as we go along) that way people can be more involved. I should have talked about that first, I am not a salesman nor a real excellent communicator, more introverted type. And I never made marketed or sold anything in my life. I was afraid that some people would hate on it.. and lead others to dismiss it as irrelevant, before I even got a fair shake.
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Don't be influenced by the naysayers Tom, no one is forcing them to buy anything. You can always tell them ala Star Wars ways-Move along, there is nothing here for you, these are not the mods you're looking for.
I received my package this afternoon and it arrived neatly wrapped in an aqua colored cloth laced up neatly in an envelope further encased in a USPS priority box. This insured the protection it needed to survive the trip from Florida to Texas. The box also contained 2 extra needle ready 6ml bottles ready to slap on the unit and a set of printed colored instructions with tips on using the "smoke-box". This included instructions on preparing the juice bottles and some battery tips. What caught my eye was that this unit contains a self-resetting fuse for your protection-very important. My first impression of the mod itself was that the wood is not as thick as my Phiddy. Phidias owners will note that the Phiddy is almost twice as thick as the Smoke-Box. Inside the unit itself was a 510 HV atty chrome colored which was a pleasant surprise and 3 magnets which you won't probably need. I had to figure out how to open it because the 4 magnets that hold the door and the case are very strong and requires a substantial pulling action to pry it apart. I filled the already attached juice bottle without a problem and noted that it resembles a wetbox setup also similar to the Phidias. The needle itself appears thicker than the one the Phidias uses. I first slid in an 18650 AW high drain battery and it slipped in easily and securely with a nice solid spring on the unit. I followed with an 17670 gray UltraFire and that also fit nicely as did 2 AW 3 volt 16340 batts. What did not fit was an 18650 gray Ultrafire. The unit is identical in size to the previous version of the Phidias so that did not surprise me. I reattached the door to the main body which contains an on-off lever that slips easily through the door. I tried attaching first a new 510 Lr atty from EM but had a little difficulty doing so at first. The atty would just rest of top of the connector and not tighten when turned. I had to play with it until it slipped down and I was able to tighten it. My first draw was rather tight with no air apparently. I loosened up on the atty a bit and was able to take a draw but still IMO rather tight. I think an adjustment has to be made here to allow some air and ease up on the draw. Because of this tightness it's hard to compare against the Phidias- the draw is tight and you have to (don't want to say it but I have to) suck harder. There's an easier, fuller ( here we go again) suck to the Phidias resulting in a superior vaping experience. Vaping the Smoke-Box at 6 volts with 2 AW 3 volt batts was much better, it required much less effort and was more enjoyable than at 3.7. I cannot compare this to the Phidias at 6 volts because I have never had to vape at 6 volts on it, 3.7 is enough on the Phidias. Using an LR atty either 306 or 510 on the Phidias is sufficient to me. I don't know if it's because of the design of the top connector and catchcup not allowing enough air to the atty that's the problem or if it's the internal wiring used inside the Smoke-Box. I know Fono uses all copper wiring with a thicker wire and that may make the difference. I have been vaping on the Smoke-Box since about 5pm with much better results at 6 volts than 3.7 with LR atties. I would prefer a better vaping experience at 3.7 if I could so hopefully this can be improved on in the near future. This appears to be a very well made mod with some nice features to it like the on-off switch and neat led light that comes on when the switch is applied. My only recommendations at this point would be to make it out of a thicker wood if possible, fix the connector so that the atty slips on easier and adjust the catchcup ( if this is the problem) to allow for an easier draw. The feed system itself seems to work very well, you barely press on it and it forces enough juice up to the atty effortlessly, works every time. I suppose that if you squeezed too hard it would flood it but the juice delivery itself is very efficient-perhaps because of the thicker needle it forces more juice into the atty with less effort. The wood grain is very nice and I got a sample of several types of wood in this one-leopard wood, zebra wood, cocobolo and the inlay is attractive also. The make is flawless and everything fits perfectly. I will continue to play with my new toy and report any new observations, this is just my first impression of it. Will I buy another one? Definitely! Tom for this being your first mod and your commitment to improve any flaws, I am very impressed! One last thing that I failed to mention was that along with his printed instructions he includes his home address and telephone number so that you can contact him with any issues you may have. How's that for customer service? Not too many vendors are willing to risk this-I think we have a winner folks!
Thanks for the review jc! This just piques my interest even more!!! (particularly if the relatively minor issues which you mention are eventually made better...)
Thanks again!
My first draw was rather tight with no air apparently. I loosened up on the atty a bit and was able to take a draw but still IMO rather tight. I think an adjustment has to be made here to allow some air and ease up on the draw. Because of this tightness it's hard to compare against the Phidias- the draw is tight and you have to (don't want to say it but I have to) suck harder. There's an easier, fuller ( here we go again) suck to the Phidias resulting in a superior vaping experience. Vaping the Smoke-Box at 6 volts with 2 AW 3 volt batts was much better, it required much less effort and was more enjoyable than at 3.7. I cannot compare this to the Phidias at 6 volts because I have never had to vape at 6 volts on it, 3.7 is enough on the Phidias. Using an LR atty either 306 or 510 on the Phidias is sufficient to me. I don't know if it's because of the design of the top connector and catchcup not allowing enough air to the atty that's the problem or if it's the internal wiring used inside the Smoke-Box. I know Fono uses all copper wiring with a thicker wire and that may make the difference. I have been vaping on the Smoke-Box since about 5pm with much better results at 6 volts than 3.7 with LR atties. I would prefer a better vaping experience at 3.7 if I could so hopefully this can be improved on in the near future. This appears to be a very well made mod with some nice features to it like the on-off switch and neat led light that comes on when the switch is applied. My only recommendations at this point would be to make it out of a thicker wood if possible, fix the connector so that the atty slips on easier and adjust the catchcup ( if this is the problem) to allow for an easier draw. Definitely! Tom for this being your first mod and your commitment to improve any flaws, I am very impressed! One last thing that I failed to mention was that along with his printed instructions he includes his home address and telephone number so that you can contact him with any issues you may have. How's that for customer service? Not too many vendors are willing to risk this-I think we have a winner folks!
Nice first impressions Jc, thanks!
Since I know barely anything, please don't laugh, but could the thicker needle contribute to the tight draw? I like the idea of the thicker needle for faster juice delivery, but doesn't air also pass through that hole too?
Can't wait to hear more... Can you post some pics too?
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I never thought of that-you may be right. Hopefully someone that's more knowledgeable than me will chime in and give us a clue.
I wouldn't think it was the needle, just my thought, I would think it was more in the Atty connector, the needle is only to deliver juice, is it a standard 510 connector with 4 slots and a grove on the bottom pin.? those 4 slots and that grove make all the difference in the world.!
No it doesn't. I compared it to the Phidias and it's almost identical. The Reo Grand however does incorporate this design you're talking about. I inserted a Phidias bottle with smaller needle and found out that this made an even tighter draw-no draw at all! I reinserted the 6ml bottle with bigger needle and it works but with an effort. The 6 volt draw is not as tight which leads me to suspect that it's got something to do with more power.
Thanks for the info JC. In theory the needle size "shouldn't " have a bearing on the draw. (think of all the sealed connectors on th eGos et:all). Interesting info. Thanks again.
OK, a breakthrough! The needle on the Smoke-Box is too long and clogs up the air intake into the atty. I compared both assembled juice bottles from the Phidias and the Smoke-Box, put them side by side and noted that the Phidias needle was about 2-3 mm shorter than the Smoke-Box. I stuck the Phidias bottle inside the Smoke-Box again and this time placed it flat against the bottom and manually moved it back and forth against the atty. I noted that placing the needle too close to the top clogged up the air intake resulting in a tighter draw. If I placed it up too high it resulted in no draw at all, lowered it back down and let it rest naturally and wha-la, a perfect draw! The Phidias bottle fits and works perfectly in the Smoke-Box! Excellent vape now with even the famed fire feed. Sorry Fono you're just too good, you have designed a bottom feeder bottle that works in other bottom feeders also. Ok Tom, now you have to make this system work with a 6 ml bottle, which shouldn't be too hard. The needle is too long and too wide also. I could not use an adapter to connect either an 801 or 901 atty-the needle was too wide to fit into the adapter. I just tried an LR 306 on it also and heavens Nevens! This problem has been solved.
Awesome! Thanks for your review JC. you didnt have to take the time but you did and I thank you. I am exited to improve the design here online for all to see. I dont wanna sound like a tight-... here but I do wanna get serious and address quality.
You are right... with incremental lengths trials I found that the needle length extended inside the atomizer affects the draw effort directly. So it needs to be flush with the top or very close to it. I posted a picture in my album of a cross-section of an atomizer I just cut one in half just now. The center pin is tapered and you can see if a needle is too high it seals against the tapered wall up inside it.
I have made a better designed bottle assembly to completely seal the hole in the center with a a medical tubing that will be at the end of the needles of each bottle (which will address possible future leakage not mentioned) . As a byproduct/result the needle itself will no longer extend any length inside the atomizer. You will still be able to switch each bottle out separately with no need to unscrew caps etc. I should be able to send you those bottles within 2 days via proirity mail. I will make the stainless needles shorter so there is a perfect flush fit. I won't make the needles skinnier because wider is better for viscous VG feeding, and the center hole will be totally sealed anyways. If this does not fix all the "stuff" when you get the bottles..
Would you be willing to list any remaining issues for slow people like me numbered 1 2 3? You said there may be an issue screwing in different adapters as well?
Why can't i get a picture to post here?
You are right... with incremental lengths trials I found that the needle length extended inside the atomizer affects the draw effort directly. So it needs to be flush with the top or very close to it. I posted a picture in my album of a cross-section of an atomizer I just cut one in half just now. The center pin is tapered and you can see if a needle is too high it seals against the tapered wall up inside it.
I have made a better designed bottle assembly to completely seal the hole in the center with a a medical tubing that will be at the end of the needles of each bottle (which will address possible future leakage not mentioned) . As a byproduct/result the needle itself will no longer extend any length inside the atomizer. You will still be able to switch each bottle out separately with no need to unscrew caps etc. I should be able to send you those bottles within 2 days via proirity mail. I will make the stainless needles shorter so there is a perfect flush fit. I won't make the needles skinnier because wider is better for viscous VG feeding, and the center hole will be totally sealed anyways. If this does not fix all the "stuff" when you get the bottles..
Would you be willing to list any remaining issues for slow people like me numbered 1 2 3? You said there may be an issue screwing in different adapters as well?
Why can't i get a picture to post here?
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I think you have to upload it first to photobucket or a similar site, then transfer it here. I could not get an adapter to fit into the 510 connector, think the needle was too wide but it may also be the length, maybe once cut down it will work.
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