they just do not care?

[sofarsogood]

God I wish I had started vaping sooner so I had more time to stockpile. Sometime, hopefully this year, I'll have a big payout coming from some real estate stuff/my dad passing away and a giant pile o' nic is on the shopping list.

The money you used to spend smoking should support your vaping and have enough left over to stockpile. My 10-20 year stockpile will cost less than I used to spend for 3 months of smoking. To me the cost advantage is the most powerful argument for vaping. In families where parents smoke and switch the money saved is so significant it impacts the kids. We all care about the kids, right?

 

[Saippenu]

I don't think it has anything to do with your audience being on Faceboook. Non smokers are convinced that vaping is as bad or worse than traditional smoking. My doctors feel that only fresh clean air should go into your lungs on a regular basis and I get that.

I don't expect (or care) if people like my vape posts, which are mostly related to legal issues or dispelling myths. Whenever I see the popcorn lung guy hooked up to machines on a friend's page I post a link to Snopes as a comment and usually throw the word "propaganda" in there for good measure. It doesn't change anyone's mind but it stops the 20 people who would pile on with comments about how evil vaping is. It's all you can do really.

 

[mynameiscosine]

When you guys say "stockpile" for several years, won't it "expire"? Forgive my ignorance, first time vaper.

 

[GeorgeS]

When you guys say "stockpile" for several years, won't it "expire"? Forgive my ignorance, first time vaper.

Light and temperature will age Nicotine base. Reduce or remove both (put in closed -15F freezer) and it could last 20yrs with only minor degration.

 

[CMD-Ky]

What is there for them to get?

Just like I don't drink (anymore) so I don't care what the liquor laws are.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

 

[mattiem]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

I was thinking this exact same thing while catching up on this thread this morning. It fits this situation to a tee.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I was thinking this exact same thing while catching up on this thread this morning. It fits this situation to a tee.

It doesn't effect me so who cares?

 

[mattiem]

It doesn't effect me so who cares?

That does seem to be the thought process

 

[Bad Ninja]

That does seem to be the thought process

Aaaand thats about par for the course on Facebook.
With any topic.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I don't think it has anything to do with your audience being on Faceboook. Non smokers are convinced that vaping is as bad or worse than traditional smoking. My doctors feel that only fresh clean air should go into your lungs on a regular basis and I get that.

I don't expect (or care) if people like my vape posts, which are mostly related to legal issues or dispelling myths. Whenever I see the popcorn lung guy hooked up to machines on a friend's page I post a link to Snopes as a comment and usually throw the word "propaganda" in there for good measure. It doesn't change anyone's mind but it stops the 20 people who would pile on with comments about how evil vaping is. It's all you can do really.

Agree at this stage the public perception is a snapshot of media influence. A constant drone blatantly skewed with the perspective that e-cig's are harmful. So you're most often likely to be met with a baffled expression and the typical, "Aren't those things bad for you?" But I wouldn't go so far as to say the public's convinced. Rather, confused since they are all watchin' us walkin' around still breathin'. Like Snopes, most media is locked into the establishment script particularly on hard science. But we all do know the world is flat, don't we? We heard it on the telly.

Good luck.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

I find it interesting that no one really seems to care for the plight of us vapers, apart from well vapers and their nearest and dearest. What has been your experience?

Not much either, you'll pretty much never get the support of non-smokers or ex smokers and almost everything people have heard about vaping has been explosion and scare tactics in the media courtesy of the ANTZ crowd...

I did however convert 3 fairly close friends/acquaintances and I'm working on another so I do have a few to chat with.... Just about everyone I know smokes it drives me insane, not because I'm around smoke it's the fact that the government isn't pushing vaping on smokers......

My mother inlaw had cancer it went away with treatment... She never quit smoking and now it's back again, she's tried quitting without success but won't try a vape because it isn't approved.. Well it's too late now her chances are very slim this time around... I want to convert her sister (my wife's aunt) but I don't have any kits I'd feel comfortable giving to a beginner :/ I'm hoping this pushes my wife to quit as well...

 

[SinQuaNon]

Its funny about the 'Approved'
Bit isnt it, yes cigarettes are approved! And they will kill you, we dont need that sort of an approved product

Sent from my SM-A500Y

 

[mcclintock]

We need to educate people that the Tobacco Control Act basically says old=good, new=bad. When that's what the law says, it's extremely dishonest to call applying it to vaping "equal treatment". (I'd argue that since the TCA assumes everything it applies to are as bad or worse than legacy tobacco products, that in itself defines tobacco in a way that excludes vaping.)

 

[kiba]

Thing is, people don't like vapers. Most people find us a nuisance at best and dangerous ...... at worst... That's just what I've observed personally but it seems to be pretty universal. I have friends who call them douche flutes, and I can't really say much I mean it is a silly habit, and we look silly doing it, that's always been the case but is more so lately, with clouds and mods only getting bigger.

If you disagree, think about how rediculous something like a cloud competition looks to an innocent bystander. The act of blowing huge clouds and then measuring them, and handing out trophies to the winner, must seem particularly douchey. If I hadn't already seen it I'd probably question which planet I was on.

As an example, the other day I was in the city and was watching a particular dingus on a crowded sidewalk with people all around him, and he's just happily ripping on his atty blowing gigantimous clouds all around. Directly behind him was a woman and her daughter, who was visibly uncomfortable and fanning the vapor away. Then last week I was at Walmart for groceries and saw something I've seen countless times, only this human potato took it to another level... I noticed an immensely overweight specimen of humanity, blowing huge clouds everywhere while shopping with his wife and son, it was so much he was actually visibly clouding up a Walmart, an employee asked him to please do it outside, to which he replied "it ain't smoke, I can do it where I want" his wife said something similar but more vulgar, and they went about their shopping. Idk if they noticed it but nobody got within 10 feet of them, maybe he likes it that way

Although I think in some cases the damage has been done, people's impressions of us can only improve if we just don't be like the dingus on the sidewalk or the potato at Walmart. We know that it is 95% safer but that doesn't mean it's OK to blow it in people's faces and say "it's OK it's only vapor" when they complain.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Thing is, people don't like vapers. Most people find us a nuisance at best and dangerous ...... at worst... That's just what I've observed personally but it seems to be pretty universal. I have friends who call them douche flutes, and I can't really say much I mean it is a silly habit, and we look silly doing it, that's always been the case but is more so lately, with clouds and mods only getting bigger.

If you disagree, think about how rediculous something like a cloud competition looks to an innocent bystander. The act of blowing huge clouds and then measuring them, and handing out trophies to the winner, must seem particularly douchey. If I hadn't already seen it I'd probably question which planet I was on.

As an example, the other day I was in the city and was watching a particular dingus on a crowded sidewalk with people all around him, and he's just happily ripping on his atty blowing gigantimous clouds all around. Directly behind him was a woman and her daughter, who was visibly uncomfortable and fanning the vapor away. Then last week I was at Walmart for groceries and saw something I've seen countless times, only this human potato took it to another level... I noticed an immensely overweight specimen of humanity, blowing huge clouds everywhere while shopping with his wife and son, it was so much he was actually visibly clouding up a Walmart, an employee asked him to please do it outside, to which he replied "it ain't smoke, I can do it where I want" his wife said something similar but more vulgar, and they went about their shopping. Idk if they noticed it but nobody got within 10 feet of them, maybe he likes it that way

Although I think in some cases the damage has been done, people's impressions of us can only improve if we just don't be like the dingus on the sidewalk or the potato at Walmart. We know that it is 95% safer but that doesn't mean it's OK to blow it in people's faces and say "it's OK it's only vapor" when they complain.

Why do we vape? Some with more exuberance than others, obviously. Or we could build a safe space to confine ourselves and protect others from our enthusiasm.

We need to educate people that the Tobacco Control Act basically says old=good, new=bad. When that's what the law says, it's extremely dishonest to call applying it to vaping "equal treatment". (I'd argue that since the TCA assumes everything it applies to are as bad or worse than legacy tobacco products, that in itself defines tobacco in a way that excludes vaping.)

Now if we could just get the public to understand that common areas of human habitation are hazardous potentially deadly spaces abundant in all kinds of bacteria…perhaps they would leave us alone.

I'm with ya. Equal treatment before the law and society. The biggest threat to us all is ignorance.

Good luck.

 

[kiba]

Why do we vape? Some with more exuberance than others, obviously. Or we could build a safe space to confine ourselves and protect others from our enthusiasm.



Now if we could just get the public to understand that common areas of human habitation are hazardous potentially deadly spaces abundant in all kinds of bacteria…perhaps they would leave us alone.

I'm with ya. Equal treatment before the law and society. The biggest threat to us all is ignorance.

Good luck.

I think it's more of a balancing act, I don't think you should have to contain your enthusiasm but this is how we got here, I mean, be as exuberant as you want as long as it doesn't involve being a dingus in public and making us all look bad.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I think it's more of a balancing act, I don't think you should have to contain your enthusiasm but this is how we got here, I mean, be as exuberant as you want as long as it doesn't involve being a dingus in public and making us all look bad.

Understand the sentiment…we don't want to turn people off. However, it's perhaps a bit of self-deception that we can control people's conclusions or reactions by our exhibition of conscientiousness. This works with those of us, most of us, who are tolerant of other's individuality. It does nothing for those who are not. As for the uninformed only we vapers can help those on the fence and influenced by the latter to form an opinion based on sound experience and data. Human nature is suspicion towards the unfamiliar. And sadly the latter can easily be aroused in anyone.

If we skulk and cower like a perp and law-breaker, we will be regarded as such. And that's one heck of a way to validate by omission the popular suspicions already planted in the public's mind by the media. No, we need more one-on-one activism in the vape community. That's what will help correct the misconceptions and prejudice towards us. To show others that we're human and not the image of self-indulgent, self-destructive, child-abusing freaks that anti-tobacco propaganda painted as a bulls-eye on our foreheads.

Will people over-do it? Certainly. We're human.

Can we ever forgive ourselves the loss of an opportunity to have changed those opinions?

That's another matter. But it won't happen hiding what we do.

Will it disturb some? You betcha. But we can't control them. Nor do we want to.

Good luck.

 

[SinQuaNon]

Understand the sentiment…we don't want to turn people off. However, it's perhaps a bit of self-deception that we can control people's conclusions or reactions by our exhibition of conscientiousness. This works with those of us, most of us, who are tolerant of other's individuality. It does nothing for those who are not. As for the uninformed only we vapers can help those on the fence and influenced by the latter to form an opinion based on sound experience and data. Human nature is suspicion towards the unfamiliar. And sadly the latter can easily be aroused in anyone.

If we skulk and cower like a perp and law-breaker, we will be regarded as such. And that's one heck of a way to validate by omission the popular suspicions already planted in the public's mind by the media. No, we need more one-on-one activism in the vape community. That's what will help correct the misconceptions and prejudice towards us. To show others that we're human and not the image of self-indulgent, self-destructive, child-abusing freaks that anti-tobacco propaganda painted as a bulls-eye on our foreheads.

Will people over-do it? Certainly. We're human.

Can we ever forgive ourselves the loss of an opportunity to have changed those opinions?

That's another matter. But it won't happen hiding what we do.

Will it disturb some? You betcha. But we can't control them. Nor do we want to.

Good luck.

SPOT ON. I vape proudly in public, but I am also empathetic to those around and dont go overboard, I do not cower in the corner, but I dont blow vapor in peoples faces, I think it is very very very importanty to normalise it. U have no idea how important that is

 

[SinQuaNon]

just looking at the thread title, maybe MJ's song was in my head at the time haha

 

[pfaber11]

I vape wherever it's allowed and never had any complaints. In the malls the bus station the indoor markets and pubs and bars. Not in eating establishments though. I'm in England and it's pretty normal here now. It's a shame what's happening in America right now. I mean in some states they legalise pot but want to ban vaping. A ridiculous state of affairs. Maybe Trump will scrap the deeming regulations and restore some sanity. Who knows.