they just do not care?
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Time and place, that's all I'm saying. Maybe just not chucking clouds in a small child's face while her mother is walking her to school is a good place to start.Understand the sentiment…we don't want to turn people off. However, it's perhaps a bit of self-deception that we can control people's conclusions or reactions by our exhibition of conscientiousness. This works with those of us, most of us, who are tolerant of other's individuality. It does nothing for those who are not. As for the uninformed only we vapers can help those on the fence and influenced by the latter to form an opinion based on sound experience and data. Human nature is suspicion towards the unfamiliar. And sadly the latter can easily be aroused in anyone.
If we skulk and cower like a perp and law-breaker, we will be regarded as such. And that's one heck of a way to validate by omission the popular suspicions already planted in the public's mind by the media. No, we need more one-on-one activism in the vape community. That's what will help correct the misconceptions and prejudice towards us. To show others that we're human and not the image of self-indulgent, self-destructive, child-abusing freaks that anti-tobacco propaganda painted as a bulls-eye on our foreheads.
Will people over-do it? Certainly. We're human.
Can we ever forgive ourselves the loss of an opportunity to have changed those opinions?
That's another matter. But it won't happen hiding what we do.
Will it disturb some? You betcha. But we can't control them. Nor do we want to.
Good luck.
I agree. Not suggesting anyone in particular is an anti-cloud zealot. But I question whether in fact this is the problem. The repetition of such anecdotes whether factual or not serves as a convenient distraction from the larger issues that we confront as too readily adopted by the uninformed and already distrustful of vaping. This works powerfully against us.
If we bury the cloud bangers, are we going to be rid of the FDA?
And shouldn't we and, if we're going to blame public cloud production, how do we first define…what is TOO BIG a cloud?
Are we helping, intentionally or not, to create an artificial sub-class of abusers defined by their willingness to vape in public? Are some vapers simply trying to ruin it for the rest of us? If true for some, should we all be painted with this broad stripe?…Disposed to public vaping means those ready to abuse of it. Such prejudice we cannot afford to tolerate again.
I'm not concerned about the fringes. There are those no question without a sense of regard, self control or of consequences. They will always be. But that's not us. Not the bulk of vapers who are empathetic to those around us. We in the broad middle with all of our individual positive variety and distinctions must defend our stake with reason and right regardless.
I do believe the average person is open to care about and even encourage our individual prerogative to vape. Seen it countless times as I've reached out to express my care about their concerns.
Without us, who will?
Our best defense of our choice is preemptive.
Good luck.
Probably find that un ten years time vaoers outnumber smokers then we will be a force to be wreckoned with. I think they've left it too late to stamp out vaping now. I don't think the tobacco company's have that much to worry about as even with ecigs the majority of smokers still can't quit the tobacco. I know quite a few people who have tried and failed. In fact out of the people I know personally I'm the only one who's made it and I'll never smoke cigarettes again. They other five people I know are all back to smoking. I think if you get that first year out of the way and you still enjoy vaping you've probably cracked it. Anyway sorry for going off topic . Have a nice day.
I agree. Not suggesting anyone in particular is an anti-cloud zealot. But I question whether in fact this is the problem. The repetition of such anecdotes whether factual or not serves as a convenient distraction from the larger issues that we confront as too readily adopted by the uninformed and already distrustful of vaping. This works powerfully against us.
If we bury the cloud bangers, are we going to be rid of the FDA?
And shouldn't we and, if we're going to blame public cloud production, how do we first define…what is TOO BIG a cloud?
Are we helping, intentionally or not, to create an artificial sub-class of abusers defined by their willingness to vape in public? Are some vapers simply trying to ruin it for the rest of us? If true for some, should we all be painted with this broad stripe?…Disposed to public vaping means those ready to abuse of it. Such prejudice we cannot afford to tolerate again.
I'm not concerned about the fringes. There are those no question without a sense of regard, self control or of consequences. They will always be. But that's not us. Not the bulk of vapers who are empathetic to those around us. We in the broad middle with all of our individual positive variety and distinctions must defend our stake with reason and right regardless.
I do believe the average person is open to care about and even encourage our individual prerogative to vape. Seen it countless times as I've reached out to express my care about their concerns.
Without us, who will?
Our best defense of our choice is preemptive.
Good luck.
It's quite easy actually, I don't even think about it... just treat it like you would if you were smoking, and be conscious of the fact that in many ways huge vape clouds are more obtrusive than a wisp of cigarette smoke. Too many people start vaping and decide that since its not smoke, they can do it anywhere and nobody should mind, but when vapers are seen doing that it speaks badly for all of us. theres a guy at my work who, when he started vaping was blowing huge clouds and fogging up the office. not only is that annoying, its extremely unprofessional and looks bad to anyone visiting the office, and while we don't necessarily have a rule that you cant do that, I mean come on, just use common sense, if he could see through the giant clouds all around him, it was visibly bothering those who sat in cubicles around him, leaving a hanging cloud which spread throughout the office, and he got in several arguments with people about it until finally a supervisor asked him to stop. I think it was something like "this is a place of business, not a head shop" but his boss would never have had to talk with him about it if he'd only used common sense.
myself, I don't do anything different than when i was a smoker, I go outside with them on smoke breaks, I don't do it indoors, crowded places, places of business or other peoples homes and if I see that it is bothering someone, I stop.
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I noticed the same thing. I used to post all kinds of vaping stuff and not even my friends who vape said a word or hit "like". So I gave up. Apparently the people who vape don't want to say anything and the people who don't could care less
The road to answering this question invariably leads to zero, null, nada.
Vaping in great measure reached its popularity in effect because it is a social experience. One we can share (or should be able to) without fear and recrimination.
Who will defend my right to be socially visible as your's to seem innocuous?
Good luck.
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