IMHO, until there is more testing, verified testing and even more testing that proves that what we are doing is safe for us and that the vapor is safe for others around us to breathe, I'm not going to be forging any new ground. I will stand the ground we have and will vape in smoking areas, indoors with my family, in bathroom stalls with no one else around, walking around outside, etc., but will not force others to be a part of this experiment of which I have chosen to be a participant.
Yes, I feel in my body that vaping is better than analogs but I'd like to know if my lifespan and risks are now the same of a non-smoker, or will I be somewhere in between a smoker and a non?
Unfortunately I believe that it won't matter what it is that were blowing out, if it looks like smoke we will be discriminated against. And I strongly believe that if we continue to push limits like this we will most likely bring up some unwanted attention and undoubtedly end up with bans on not only vaping but our products as well.
I already had them take away the enjoyment of my old analogs and replace them with nasty replacements, I don't want them taking this away from me as well.
Keep in mind that the country/government is not about what you want, or even what the people want, its all out for its own good and it's one investment. This means that if the people who are paying into their hands want something small done to make them feel all warm and gooey inside they will probably do it. We are, unfortunately, another minority group that is stuck in a rut of discrimination and no one cares. And you can't make them.
I had teachers in school that were the in-your-face types. Which worked pretty well when you're seven and never been in a room with 22 other kids and they're all scared to death too (that was eight grades, by the way). But looking back at that now, I wonder how some in-your-face types would tolerate teachers doing in-your-face teaching to their kids!!
This vaping is one of those things that needs to be promoted with some finesse, I do believe. Forceful will get us nowhere except against a brick wall at some point. The anti-smokers against the antiestablishmentarians. Where's your atom bomb pic, elendil, put it right here
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Very well put Kate51. There are some fights that must be won with fists and rocks and others that must won with stratagem. This is the latter!
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Before I get started lololol, what is IMHO please? I am not familiar with all these short cuts in lieu of words.
Next, I am glad that we are all just sharing our opinions without being confrontational.....Thank You for that.
But I believe from what I have read on some other posts by people that are really in the know, a couple of countries have conducted such studies.....AND YES, IT IS VERY, VERY PROVEN THAT IT IS SAFE, NO SECOND HAND TOXIC VAPOR.
Shivadance: Having said that, since you are still in doubt about the safety of vape ....why on God's Green Earth are you exposing your family to your second hand vape??? hmmmm? That does not sound good to me at all.
Katie51....WHO is talking about bombs?! PEACEFUL PROTEST.....
If it were not for people like Rosa Parks, who in PEACEFUL PROTEST sat at the front of the bus, well.....I wonder were Obama would be today?
May I remind you all that not to long ago, the people of Germany & the World, thought that Hitler, was just some pain in the a*s up start that would not amount to much. Well, hello.....! Those very same people, who shared YOUR point of view "DO NOTHING TO ROCK THE BOAT" woke up and found themselves in Concentration Camps!
I go into any variety store up here in Toronto, and I can buy any paraphernalia for street drugs.....yep.....I just can't get over it. I shake my head in puzzlement that our Canadian government allows the sale of Hookas, Blow-Pipes, wrappers, thing-a-ma-gigs and what evers.....and yet, e-cigs are to be banned! And why? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO USE HAVE BEEN PROTESTING FOR THEIR RIGHTS......AND NOT PLAYING OSTRIDGE! (just for the record, I am not into street drugs)
Look, I am not trying to convince you to join the e-cig movement....there are some people that like to hide (fear motivated), some that like to sit on the fence (safety first, but want to be counted) and some that see that something is broken and want to fix it. (the freedom fighters).
Katie51: You talk about in-your-face bullies of the past......Hello, what do you call the ones that are in our faces right now? Passing all sorts of ridiculous laws, forcing us to their way of thinking without doing their own honest, logical homework. And you want to condemn those of us that refuse to be pushed around?
I worked with a Non Smoking food scientist. Who's father in law had cancer. I told him about the BANNED APRICOT SEEDS containing Vitamin K, that kills cancer. He was quite aware of them. He told me that it would take a room size of 10 x 10 of these tiny, wee, little seeds being jammed packed from floor to ceiling, to be consumed in one sitting for there to be any poisoning from the apricot seeds......YET THE GOVERNMENT BANS THE SALE OF THESE. (which by the way, I found bags and bags of Organic Apricot seeds for him to give to his dad in law)
Then he reminded me of the UNFAIR, HOAX OF A SMOKING STUDY THAT THE GOVERNMENT ordered. This was another FAKE, UNDERHANDED, UNSCRUPULOUS study to benefit the powers that be......they created a small glass type box. Into it they put a poor little Beagle dog. Cut a hole in his throat & taped a tube that was connected to a smoke machine. They also had him on one of those automatic walking pads.
Then they turned the smoke machine on and kept that poor creature in this glass box, running on this moving belt, with this hose in his throat, with tons of smoke surrounding him. No food, no water, no rest.....no wonder the poor creature dropped dead with all sorts of problems. Hence, the big propaganda....SMOKING WILL KILL YOU, lets ban it.
THE REASON FOR THIS HOAX OF A TEST AND SMOKING BAN WAS TO GET THE PEOPLES MINDS OFF THE TRUE POLLUTANTS OF THIS PLANET AND THAT WAS BIG INDUSTRY AND CAR FUMES.
My mom is in her mid 80's, she had chain smoked since she was 16 yrs old. She is still going strong.....no deadly smokers ailments. My friends Non Smoking husband, 40 yrs old, just died from a heart attack. Very, very sad. And no, he was not overweight and he did not drink or eat junk food.
Shivadance:
You want a guarantee of living.......but did you bump your head somewhere? 
Now, now, don't get your knickers in a knot, just trying to make a funny, to point out that the only guarantees in life are death and taxes.
How we get to the death stage will always be a mystery. But taxes are a guarantee, for now at least, there is another protest trying to stop the tax gouging.....thank God for that!
I don't know how to break this to all of you, but the e-cig is no longer the best kept secret in town! The powers that be are already in their tractors, the engines are turned on and they have their foot on the gas peddle. The engines are revving. They are going to mow us down.......and all because of this "let's hide under the covers and they will go away" mentality. Just like in the recent pillaging of the Rain Forest!
Bullies, you talk about in your face bullies.......
I am not the in your face bully.......THEY ARE AND THEY ARE COMING RIGHT AT ALL OF US.
But I, unlike you, will not lay down and let them run over me with out
at least making an effort to stop them for you, and for me.
And on that note, there is no point in my responding to any more of these ostridge like posts. So enjoy your debates ladies and gentlemen.
And I will enjoy responding to others of my like mind in other threads.
To those of you who do feel that we have only a tiny window of an opportunity to try & stop those bullies in their bulldozers, to fight for our e-cig rights......please post more names & links of people like the 4 that we have already mentioned in another thread, so that those of us, who are interested in at least trying to save our rights can start writing letters to them in the hopes that they too will take up our cause.
So far, in another thread, we have:
1) Alex Jones
2) Walter Burien
3) Jason Bermas
4) Erin Brockovich
Please add to this list! Perhaps this list should have a thread of its own??? So that it would be easier to find rather than being buried in threads like these???
Less exposure this way.
