This pisses me off!!

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grandmato5

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Guess I'll be trying to find some time at the end of the week to make a visit to this vape shop in person to see if they are just totally uneducated or if their statement represents their actual beliefs :glare: Anyone that would put that kind of statement up on their website certainly doesnt seem to show they care about the vaping community as a whole but only see electronic cigarettes as a quick way to make some money without the need to actually know what they are talking about.
 

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PG is used in dozens of foods and products you use each day. It's used in ice cream, soda, fast food, toothpaste, shampoo and many other applications. Here is an incident I had a few weeks ago with an anti PG vendor......

I was at the flea market a few weeks ago and came across a vendor that was selling only VG juice. She had a bunch of signs saying how PG was bad, compared it to antifreeze, etc. I figured what the heck and chatted with her for a few min and listened to her spiel.

I kid you not, I noticed a bottle of MIO (the flavoring you squeeze into water for flavor) sitting on the counter and asked her if she liked it. She cocked her head with a quizzical look and asked me why I was interested. I asked her to pick up the bottle and tell me what the third ingredient down was. Low and behold it was PG. Her face got red and she began to stammer and make excuses. I called her a hypocritical idiot and walked away giggling.
 

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It's all about you I guess....

You'll be the same group of people that complain that there are not enough brick and mortar vape shops around after you've run them all out of business.

I sure hope you're fine with the effect you may have had on this business and these people's livelihoods... again, not that I agree with their method of advertising, but friendly conversation about this (education) would probably be a better route.

If you believe so strongly about any of these causes, why don't you educate (it's in your sig), rather than separate. Who are you to be judge and jury, let the community make their own decisions about this store.

While we're at it,

The PG issue is not as clear cut as you like to make it. The PG that most of you consider to be this perfectly safe item used for inhalers and this and that is not the same PG found in your vaping juice.... I've made a conscious decision to vape because it's the lesser of two evils, but lets be real, the PG found in most of the items you like to quote (medical items) are based on Dow's Optim synthetic PG... all other glycerine products are derived as by-products of soap and oleochemicals production.

The PG we as a community vape is not the same as used in the pharmaceutical industry and is not suitable for such because of impurities.

I'm not saying the PG we vape is the worst thing since cigarettes, but the advertisement from this B&M store is not the end of the world, and the PG you vape is not as good as you lead members to believe... Kind of the reverse type of advertising that your complaining about...

You are doing the exact opposite of them by quoting study's that use the synthetic PG and saying we're all good.

Relax a little, and instead of jumping around and bashing one another, let's start more dialog... Maybe they do need more information about PG, or maybe they know more than you!

Vape on,



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I have found it to be unfortunate with many of your posts, that you have a nasty inclination to "twist & distort" others comments to suit your own inflated ego or because you just can't refute the actual content of the post.

Nothing I stated in this thread is about "me" but about a supplier using a misleading fact to scare people towards their products. These tactics hurt the vaping community as a whole which is what the OP and many of us are stating. And based on the majority of posts in this thread, most agree with this position. And all of us, except you, are doing exactly what my "sig" states, which is trying to educate this supplier as well as other vapers to a tactic that hurts the vaping community.

The title of the OP's thread is: This pisses me off! If the thread is about any one "person" (which it isn't, except obviously in your twisted way at looking at it), it's about the OP being rightfully upset at this vendor's tactics.

I also did not request that we as a community "black-ball" this supplier, but just the opposite, that we respectfully contact them and ask them to change their advertizing tact. If they ignore this respectful approach, then not using them as a supplier is prudent. And since ECF from the beginning of it's existence has been about recommending and not recommending particular suppliers, this approach fits well within this community.

So you can climb down from your condescending high horse and look at the bigger picture instead of attacking one more ECF member which appears to be your modus operandi.
 
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PG is used in dozens of foods and products you use each day. It's used in ice cream, soda, fast food, toothpaste, shampoo and many other applications. Here is an incident I had a few weeks ago with an anti PG vendor......

I was at the flea market a few weeks ago and came across a vendor that was selling only VG juice. She had a bunch of signs saying how PG was bad, compared it to antifreeze, etc. I figured what the heck and chatted with her for a few min and listened to her spiel.

I kid you not, I noticed a bottle of MIO (the flavoring you squeeze into water for flavor) sitting on the counter and asked her if she liked it. She cocked her head with a quizzical look and asked me why I was interested. I asked her to pick up the bottle and tell me what the third ingredient down was. Low and behold it was PG. Her face got red and she began to stammer and make excuses. I called her a hypocritical idiot and walked away giggling.

Just to be fair, the lungs are a whole different animal than the stomach. Just because one is indigestible doesn't mean it is safely inhaled. Also applying heat will change chemical characteristics of chemicals.
 

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Just to be fair, the lungs are a whole different animal than the stomach. Just because one is indigestible doesn't mean it is safely inhaled. Also applying heat will change chemical characteristics of chemicals.

True, but the lungs and inhaling brings us right back to PG being used for decades in asthma inhalers. As for applying heat, only time will tell. I can tell you after 3 years vaping and not smoking, my lungs are much happier and healthier.
 

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True, but the lungs and inhaling brings us right back to PG being used for decades in asthma inhalers. As for applying heat, only time will tell. I can tell you after 3 years vaping and not smoking, my lungs are much happier and healthier.

My Internist has researched vaping and it's ingredients and informed me he completely supports smokers switching to vaping. He now recommends it to his patients who still smoke. I trust his judgement much more than a random ECF member with a PG phobia.
 

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I have found it to be unfortunate with many of your posts, that you have a nasty inclination to "twist & distort" others comments to suit your own inflated ego or because you just can't refute the actual content of the post.

I'm attacking you?.. ok.... I find it hard to twist words that are obviously stated in a forum. I can misunderstand them, and you can misunderstand my demeanor and vice versa, but I'm not twisting anyone's words.

I made the "all about you" statement because you had said that "Personally, I believe they know full well....", I'm not so quick to judge... maybe they don't, how would you know.

The very first post I read of yours was...

....we need to start new threads here on ECF warning others to stay clear of this vender and encouraging more ECF members to send them emails requesting that they remove these misleading statements from their site

I feel you're too quick to jump on them (my Opinion, not right or wrong), which I'm expressing here, which you obviously don't like, so now I'm the enemy.

Nothing I stated in this thread is about "me" but about a supplier using a misleading fact to scare people towards their products.

Personally, I think that's a bit of a leap.

These tactics hurt the vaping community as a whole which is what the OP and many of us are stating. And based on the majority of posts in this thread, most agree with this position.

Including myself, nowhere did I disagree with your position, just how you go about rectifying it. We're all supposed to be in the same community here. I would say let's focus on those outside of it that are trying to regulate and actually do damage to it.

And all of us, except you, are doing exactly what my "sig" states, which is trying to educate this supplier as well as other vapers to a tactic that hurts the vaping community.

The title of the OP's thread is: This pisses me off! If the thread is about anyone "person" (which it isn't, except obviously in your twisted way at looking at it), it's about the OP being rightfully upset at this vendor's tactics.

I also did not request that we as a community "black-ball" this supplier, but just the opposite, that we respectfully contact them and ask them to change their advertizing tact.

No, you didn't say black-ball them (reference here?....), but like their advertising implies danger, you're call to action to inform other ECF members... to create more threads... etc... implies such action. I felt that was going to far, which is only my opinion and in no way impedes you doing such if you feel that is necessary.

If they ignore this respectful approach, then not using them as a supplier is prudent. And since ECF from the beginning of it's existence has been about recommending and not recommending particular suppliers, this approach fits well within this community.

So you can climb down from your condescending high horse and look at the bigger picture instead of attacking one more ECF member which appears to be your modus operandi.

In my whole post, it was barely the first line and the sig quote that referenced you at all. I apologize if you feel that I'm being condescending towards you.

It's the big picture I'm trying to discuss here. Your the only one here that has mad it personal and attacking in nature. I obviously made a mistake by saying it's all about you, how it can and obviously was read is not how I intended it to be read.

If you choose to read posts in a condescending manner, they will come across in that way. That say's more about you than me. If you choose to read my posts in a neutral non argumentative manner, I come across a lot nicer.
 

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@WidowsSon:

What exactly is your problem?
If you are so very much afraid of vaping, then nothing and nobody is stopping you from going back to tobacco cigarettes.
Or do you actually need a "reason" to go back to tobacco? Is the pull of the tobacco cigarette so strong? Then just do it. No need to justify your actions :) And no need to make attempts at spreading FUD in a vaper's forum. Just do it. And you will be just fine, happy and contented :D

And no, I do not care about your health any more than you care about the health of fellow vapers or the future of vaping.

Let me write this very slowly, for those who cannot read fast:

What people are opposed to is the intentionally misleading advertising that this person has summed up very well indeed:

"Here at Vape Wright we are in an industry known for selling people poison. Please don't hold that against us..."
 

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My Internist has researched vaping and it's ingredients and informed me he completely supports smokers switching to vaping. He now recommends it to his patients who still smoke. I trust his judgement much more than a random ECF member with a PG phobia.

It's not a PG phobia, the truth is not best served by praise or denial. I vape 70%pg, it doesn't stop me from wanting to know what's in it and how safe it is, and if there are ways to mitigate those risks (if any)

Noone's arguing that vaping is not an amazing alternative to smoking, but now that I've taken this journey, why not improve it. Why not make it safer instead of just accepting it blindly.

And I hope you don't feel like I'm twisting your words here, but:

Your internist is a source that is second hand to a random ECF member, so mentioning him as some form of justification is kind of silly in the same post as you discredit a member. Just saying.

A great quote by a great man (one of my favorites)

In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue, but have taken them at second hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
-Mark Twain
 

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I was looking for new vapor shops in my area the other day. There are a ton of them in my area and more opening almost every day. I understand the desire for a shop to want to stand out from the crowd but when I saw the website for Vape Wright inc. I was appalled. The ignorant statements about pg on this sight are meant to mislead people and stand to hurt the industry as a whole. I almost went there just to b1tch at them about it but I am probably better off venting here. I cant believe anyone who owns a vape shop would be this poorly educated about the products they intend to sell. The only conclusion I can come to is that they are purposely misleading people into believing they have a superior product. I am really interested in what others here have to say about it. Obviously with so many local choices they will NOT be getting any of my money!!

not sure if I can post a link so......

HERE IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THEIR SIGHT!!!

About Vape Wright Inc

Vape Wright sells only VG(Vegetable Glycerin) E-Juice which is made from plants, as compaired to PG (Propylene glycol) which is used in automotive antifreezes and de-icers used at airports. We are a local Premium Electronic Cigarettes shop, Selling Genuine JOYETECH(tm) items and other must haves. We offer free sampling of E Juice Flavors. Stop by and see what we have to offer.

Wow, that really is appalling. They are helping to spread the lies about their own industry. I don't even like pure VG juices. No throat hit whatsoever.
 

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True, but the lungs and inhaling brings us right back to PG being used for decades in asthma inhalers. As for applying heat, only time will tell. I can tell you after 3 years vaping and not smoking, my lungs are much happier and healthier.

Aye, not arguing that. Just have to be careful with the intake part of it. I am a low% pg user but I have started using vg for all types of minor cuts and scraps. I use it for a lip balm. I slid into a base. yeah not recommended for someone over 50, but oh well. I usually dump alcohol on the raspberry, yeah its some pain.. this time I put a thin film of vg on it after rinsing with water.. Was nice.

I believe inhalers are either nebulized or pressurized. This is not a heated form of pg as we inhale, also it is not chain inhaled. I am of the mind it is better than smoking. Back in 2009(I believe), the FDA ruled that e cig were not a medical device. Which is a good thing. So now they are available to the public and not regulated except by the community (which is a good thing). These are just not for smokers looking to quit but for anyone that wishes to vape. So to say yes it is better than smoking is one thing, but to say it is better than not vaping is another.
 

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@WidowsSon:

What exactly is your problem?
If you are so very much afraid of vaping, then nothing and nobody is stopping you from going back to tobacco cigarettes.
Or do you actually need a "reason" to go back to tobacco? Is the pull of the tobacco cigarette so strong? Then just do it. No need to justify your actions :) And no need to make attempts at spreading FUD in a vaper's forum. Just do it. And you will be just fine, happy and contented :D

And no, I do not care about your health any more than you care about the health of fellow vapers or the future of vaping.

Let me write this very slowly, for those who cannot read fast:

What people are opposed to is the intentionally misleading advertising that this person has summed up very well indeed:

Wow, sorry Anjafm, I think you misread my posts...

nowhere did I say I was scared of vaping... So this is perfectly clear, it's the greatest thing that's happened to me in a long time... Off analogs for 5 weeks after 20 years. I love it to boot.

I'm sorry that you feel that looking into truths is creating Fear Uncertainty and Doubt for some. I choose to know what I'm doing as much as possible. This includes looking into what I'm vaping rather than accepting it blindly. Which pill you choose to swallow is your prerogative.

Please don't confuse my posts for anything more than trying to learn more from each other about our hobby.

pull of tobacco.. I need a reason.. what?... Why do people make up things about people on attack? These comments are based on what?

I'm unsure what your whole post is based on? quotes might help.. I think your reading the wrong posts.

vape on.
 
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Noone's arguing that vaping is not an amazing alternative to smoking, but now that I've taken this journey, why not improve it. Why not make it safer instead of just accepting it blindly.

Oh my goodness gracious! The great crusader for making vaping safer!
By excusing misleading advertising by some shop who accuses the competition of selling poison.
By accusing more experienced vapers of "accepting it blindly".
But now - behold - HE is here. To save us all!

Excuse me while I go laugh my head off. :D

I do not know the real motives of the "great crusader" yet. So far. It may be interesting to find out ..... ;)

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Please don't confuse my posts for anything more than trying to learn more from each other about our hobby

To my mind, there is nothing confusing about your posts. I have seen such things before. Many times.

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Congrats on 5 weeks! Nice going!
I have been vaping for a little over 2 years now. And there is little that I have not read about my nice hobby.
Excusing false advertising and trying to spread uncertainty and doubt, however, is not how I went about it.
Such things are generally not well received by those who DO know.
 
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Since most of us do not live in that locale, a polite non-threatening informative (educational?) email campaign is first logical 'step' (not leap) we have available. No pitchforks in that!

Give the vendor a chance to read, heed and amend their site. A week should be adequate.

If they don't retract the comment, game on! Why should anyone on the ECF $upport such a vendor and not warn others?


BTW, I no longer parse anyone's posts anymore. I just watch for their 'trends'.
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