Titanium wires

[soulseek]

this thread is turning a bit nasty, don't let the good vibe goes away gents ...
The good thing I realized is that now, the vaping community has really taken the control: we vape what we want ... not what industries or governments tell us to vape ... fighting to know IF there a small amount of Ti, Ni, or Fe oxyde in what we inhale if a huge positive step, when thinking that few months/years ago, we were all happily inhaling large amounts of carbon monoxyde, tar, amonium and plenty of other s*%$itty stuff

Not comparing us in no way to cigarette smokers BUT the toxicity of substance X is different to the toxicity of substance way for the same volume and concentration. We could be inhaling traces of something very toxic (harmful) from a new coil than say in comparison to mesh previously. Quantities are irrelevant if the toxicities aren't equal.

 

[monkkx]

Not comparing us in no way to cigarette smokers BUT the toxicity of substance X is different to the toxicity of substance way for the same volume and concentration. We could be inhaling traces of something very toxic (harmful) from a new coil than say in comparison to mesh previously. Quantities are irrelevant if the toxicities aren't equal.

You're right. But, my main point is that whatever toxic element we might find, we have the option to use a different material for wicking, wire, or tank etc ...

 

[imeothanasis]

The good thing is that we vape what we want of course mon but the bad thing is that some people that dont really know anything about anything drive us to vape everything. Thats even worse than what a government would drive us to vape.

Some people that vape mesh, kanthal and nichrome (including me until some months ago) need proof about a non oxidised biocompatible material
Guys, proofs are in front of your eyes and all over the internet. I understand that a forum is a place for talking but lets talk with facts. Dont ignore them only because you dont want to see them.

this thread is turning a bit nasty, don't let the good vibe goes away gents ...
The good thing I realized is that now, the vaping community has really taken the control: we vape what we want ... not what industries or governments tell us to vape ... fighting to know IF there a small amount of Ti, Ni, or Fe oxyde in what we inhale if a huge positive step, when thinking that few months/years ago, we were all happily inhaling large amounts of carbon monoxyde, tar, amonium and plenty of other s*%$itty stuff

 

[f1vefour]

imeo I don't think any proof exists that heated titanium wire retains its biocompatible attributes, or at least I can't find anything relating to this.

 

[imeothanasis]

but we must not heat titanium wires more than the vaping temperature five. And thats what I am talking about all these days. We DONT burn wires and we only use biocompatible ones. This combo is what we must do if we want to be serious vapers and not put our precious health at an everyday risk

 

[monkkx]

Imeo don't feel assaulted or questioned in an offensive way when I ask evidences. Don't forget than English is not our native language so it may lead to some misunderstanding Too much information, kills the information, and internet has way too much information, sometimes even contradicting data.
What I'm expecting when asking for evidences is some of the serious websites that you have already found, so we can read the same data as you and have this discussion using the same inputs, hopefully having the same understanding. I guess it would pacify this thread since we would discuss the content of those articles, rather than questioning your understanding. I hope it's reasonable ?
Ps: just received my titanium ready wires. Will report on it later today

 

[D Stanley Querfurth]

...got my ready made ti wires 1,5 ohm a few days ago. until now i am really happy with them:

1.more flavour

2.more clouds of vapor

3.they tase as they should right from the start.
with the old ones there was mostly a strange taste at the beginning....

so thx to Vassili for inventing these cool wires !!!

Stan
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[billypapa]

I am realy happy you like them Stanley
In few days i will receive the spool of only titanium resistance wire too

 

[imeothanasis]

Mon, the second paragraph was not for you, I was talking in general. Your post was just right!

Imeo don't feel assaulted or questioned in an offensive way when I ask evidences. Don't forget than English is not our native language so it may lead to some misunderstanding Too much information, kills the information, and internet has way too much information, sometimes even contradicting data.
What I'm expecting when asking for evidences is some of the serious websites that you have already found, so we can read the same data as you and have this discussion using the same inputs, hopefully having the same understanding. I guess it would pacify this thread since we would discuss the content of those articles, rather than questioning your understanding. I hope it's reasonable ?
Ps: just received my titanium ready wires. Will report on it later today

 

[legion13]

I don't know if I'm breaking the flow of the conversation here. Got titanium wires from Esmoke just wanted to say I love them ! I like the extra wraps seems to make a better vape .
Also someone posted thAt 1.5 m silica dual coil for penny short worked well , they are right! Spot on. Even better with titanium wires.
Thanks to all for the information and to Esmoke for these new wires!

 

[BluSwatch]

For you guys that got the wires, how do they wrap? They hold their shape well?

I am still waiting on mine, so I am eager to hear!!

My tracking still says "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment" and I purchased as soon as they went up ......
just my luck, the postal service hates me.

 

[monkkx]

I've just made my first Ti coil, and yes, they hold the shape well and are not springy unlike what has been mentionned earlier in this thread.
Keep in mind that ready wires are on the thiner side, but I expect the larger wires to be very much usable into micro-coil or close-but-not-touching-coils type of wrappings !!
The most noticeable is the absence of metalic taste during the first pulls, and I can't explain why, but they feel a bit hotter for a given watt. I might be dreaming though.
Tested on a setup composed of penelope v2 (short), rayon, dna30 at 13W and gambit 6mg.
So far very enjoyable.

 

[NahkriinKrosis]

A can of coke does not list all of its ingredients. The actual flavour concentrate (merchandise x) is a closely guarded secret.


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That's beaver .... glands.

 

[monkkx]

at least it's 100% organic ...

That's beaver .... glands.

 

[treehead]

this thread is turning a bit nasty, don't let the good vibe goes away gents ...
The good thing I realized is that now, the vaping community has really taken the control: we vape what we want ... not what industries or governments tell us to vape ... fighting to know IF there a small amount of Ti, Ni, or Fe oxyde in what we inhale if a huge positive step, when thinking that few months/years ago, we were all happily inhaling large amounts of carbon monoxyde, tar, amonium and plenty of other s*%$itty stuff

Spoken like a true monk , well said sir. ECF isn't about squabbling like politicians over warfare (because in the end it's just a fun hobby), it's about collaborating to figure out what works best, and to help others who don't quite get it.

If there's one thing I learned in med school (heck I'm still in it ), it's that smoking analogue cigarettes (like you said) is literally like playing with fire. Your chances at getting a life ruining illness are without a doubt above a 50/50 chance (I'd guess about 60%, most stop before they get COPD or worse; cancer). People justify what they are inhaling because it's been done for decades, and they think the "truth organizations" are over-exaggerating the danger of analogues. Your literally inhaling ammonia similar to the cleaner under your sink, which is (90% of the time) mixed with "freebase nicotine", which is pure nicotine sprayed on the already nicotine containing tobacco plant. The ammonia is to make the nicotine molecule more positive so that your lungs can absorb more than they should (it's similar to "melting" it into your bloodstream!).

I don't want to dampen the mood in here or anything, I just want to remind everyone that some Titanium oxide (which won't be a problem if you use it correctly, and isn't even harmful unless your allergic), is nothing compared to the 4000 chemicals in tobacco cigarettes, 68 of which are definitely known to cause cancer directly. There's lead, carbon monoxide, and embalming fluid in cigarettes for christs sakes! It's worse than putting your mouth over your cars exhaust pipe. Here's a great site showing just how much exactly is in each cig, and how astronomically bad it is for you compared to anything that might be in your e-cig.

Cigarette Ingredients - Chemicals in Cigarettes

 

[treehead]

I don't know if I'm breaking the flow of the conversation here. Got titanium wires from Esmoke just wanted to say I love them ! I like the extra wraps seems to make a better vape .
Also someone posted thAt 1.5 m silica dual coil for penny short worked well , they are right! Spot on. Even better with titanium wires.
Thanks to all for the information and to Esmoke for these new wires!

Aw lucky, I'm still waiting on mine! I can't wait to be using double the wraps I normally use!

 

[treehead]

How does marine grade ss mesh rust? I think the mesh that you tested (if indeed you have tested any) was of a poor quality.
Do you have to prove it to anyone - yes, that would be a very good idea if you did.
You also say you "believe" silica is better than cotton because it can't be burned - cotton doesn't burn in an atomizer because it is cooled by the juice.
And whilst titanium may well be biocompatible, we do not inhale the wire, we inhale the vapour the heated juice produces.

Too much belief on this thread and not a shred of proof.

I think this thread could use a chill pill. As long as mesh doesn't have a super high chromium amount, then it's completely harmless, like basically any metal that goes into your atty, it can oxide, and people freak out about that oxide because mesh users intentionally do this to prevent shorts. Welders inhale at least 100x the amount any vaper will inhale, and even they have very minor ailments from them, combine that with the fact that mesh is always covered in liquid to "hold down" the oxide, and your left with a VERY negligibly small worry. Inhaling most oxides are no more dangerous than inhaling sawdust, it'll cause irritation, that may lead to problems waaaay down the road if your inhaling a ridiculous amount of it, but us vapers are subjected to that amount even in the most extreme situations. So mesh isn't anywhere near life threatening, if your really sensitive to foreign material in your lungs (any type of dust, oxide, whatever) you may notice it on a terrible dry hit, but I can almost guarantee you won't get cancer , even if you stand over a pile of burning mesh for a short time.

Silica does have a higher heat tolerance, BUT, that can be a blessing and curse. Because of the fact that it can take heat without technically burning, users may abuse it accidentally (because they don't even realize they're burning it). Most can tell when it's "charring", but when that happens, silica can break down in little microscopic slivers, kinda like fiberglass but not as scary. Factory workers around silica get an illness known as "silicosis" (look it up) which is a fancy way of saying their lungs were very irritated by microscopic slivers of possibly sharp silica fragments, worst they get at the extremes are asthma and lesions on the lungs. BUT again, these are factory workers inhaling micrograms daily, vapers will never be inhaling this much, if any silica. Unless your the type that inhales hard on dry hits often, you have nothing to worry about whatsover. Cotton is also safe, because when it's burned, it turns into fine smoke much like a fake hollywood cigarette, completely harmless to the lungs unless, again your a factory worker inhaling tons of it over decades. And even then the most 30 year workers ever developed was some temporary light COPD, which quickly went away after a health vacation.

So in the end, all three are harmless, without a doubt if you know what your doing. I personally like cotton, simply because it wicks faster, and it's organic/softer on the lungs when accidentally burnt (which won't happen if you know how to avoid dry hits, my cotton doesn't even turn yellow anymore), and tastes a tad more natural. But I certainly have used and enjoyed silica quite a bit, unless your a factory worker, there's nothing to worry about .

 

[katking]

I bought medical grade titanium on line. Can't find the link, but that is what I searched for on line. Won't try it until my titanium Steam Turbine gets here. Am going to build with ceramic wicks I got from kidneypuncher. Will be interesting

 

[imeothanasis]

Tree, your last post is reassuring But.....

Microfibers of silica, smoke of cotton if it gets burned, and metal oxides are very dangerous stuff. The reason is that breathing human system is very sensitive and its not like our stomach. It can be damaged very easy in short or long terms. We are not only talking for a short amount of time because analog cigarettes dont damage you in a short period of time. Analogs need years to make you feel sick and that is what may happen with all of these ingredients we vape all day. Maybe I am wrong and damage may happen sooner but it will happen. Thats why we have to eliminate ALL the harmful factors of vaping. The factors are: wires, wick, liquids, burn taste. If we eliminate the danger of wire then we have 3 to go. And if we vape tested liquids from serious factories we have 2 to go. (I also vape unflavored liquids because flavor is one more serious factor on vaping but I dont want to say anything about that right now). And if we dont burn cotton (cotton is a material that seems ok if it DOESNT get burned), we have 1 to go. And finally if we can avoid somehow the very harmful burn taste we will have made the perfect smoking habbit.

Raising the temperature to a high level on a metal, you change its structure. Changing its structure means that we are talking about a totally different material. A simple example is the water. The water has 1 molecule of hydrogen and 1 atom of oxygen. The result of this connection is not hydrogen, not oxygen, its water.

If you burn your metals you produce a sooo different material than your original metal. Its like comparing SS and brass witch are totally different materials.

So, we cant risk all the time by inhaling whatever comes around. And if you notice, we are not just risking, we already know that oxides are dangerous and very harmful. Internet is your guide on this. We dont live at 1920 where we trusted the proffesionals that most of them were ignorant. We have via internet all the info we need.



ps........... guys, dont ask me about facts, because you ask me to give you 1000 links about metal oxides and biocompatible materials. You can find them very easy by yourself

 

[snork]

Interesting thread, dumb questions: The metals we use in vaping, whichever metals, are heated to extreme temperatures during their creation, true? What is inherently different when you heat them after the fact?