Told to stop having a vape

[Cromeus]

I'm seeing a lot of responses encouraging lying - I'm pretty sure hiding something and then lying about it doesn't give vapers a particularly good name as a whole, but hey, maybe I don't know humans as well as I think I do.

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[Jman8]

As I've mentioned before, if I owned a restaurant, I wouldn't allow it either. It's a business decision. No different than not allowing someone to walk around Target drinking a 5th of Whiskey. Whiskey is certainly legal. Or enforcing footwear. Last I checked, being barefoot was legal too.

As I've mentioned before, I'd still openly vape in your business and likely wouldn't get caught.

If somehow I did, I'd make an appointment with you and determine if it is ignorance as to why you are disallowing it.

 

[BasicPatrick]

I might raise some eyebrows here but besides a discussion about where and when it is and is not appropriate to vape there is another issue or two that are a bit more serious than location.

We all might want to do a little thinking about the fact that many of us can't get through something as simple as a visit to the supermarket without needing a vape. If our behavior is going to mimic that of a smoker whose life is ruled by addiction to analogs can we agree its not a good thing. How about this, I NEVER tried to smoke in a supermarket…ever. ID say this need to tape in place where we would never think about a piggy is more like drug addicts hiding drug use. When I think of it from this perspective I wonder how vaping is any better than newports or even [moderated].

Then there is the thing about exhibiting this stealth vaping aka hiding our behavior in front of children and having them witness these negative interactions. Kids notice when we hide things and let's be honest, when we hide vaping its done for a reason. This is exactly what some antis are noticing and playing upon. Stealth vaping in front of children is BAD for children to see. It teaches many horrible messages.

Just like alcohol there is a time and a place and if self control is not enough to not tape when it is clearly not appropriate then the addiction to vaping IS a problem akin to drugs or analogs, just HOPEFULLY a bit safer. I can't wait for some long term independent science.

The Op is far from the only person to go though this behavior. I was recently in an airport bathroom stall hiding like some sort of criminal and ...... at myself that nothing really has changed from my tobacco use.

Im just saying that if vaping is taking over our lives then maybe it is time to ask ourselves some serious questions.

Gotta go check the mail now

 

[metrabolic]

I just don't understand why people can't just wait to vape. You would have never snuck a puff of a cigarette in a place like the grocery store. I think if you can't make it through the store with out a toot off your pv you might have a problem. Why do we feel that vaping (while it's safer then smoking as far as we know) can just be done any where. You shouldn't be up set if anyone asks you to stop.

 

[illitirit]

i dont mean to sound like an ......., but I cringe when I see people do what the OP did. Dont care if you were trying to be stealth, obviously that plan failed.

I was at a walmart where some punk guy was just walking around with his PV blowing clouds in the aisles. 2 employees confronted him and the guy was too cool for school and said its not a cigarette, so hes allowed to.

The manager came and asked him to leave.

I dont get why you guys want vaping to get banned everywhere, because if it keeps happening, it will.

Just wait 5 minutes and vape in your car for .......* sake.

 

[WillyZee]

As I've mentioned before, I'd still openly vape in your business and likely wouldn't get caught.

If somehow I did, I'd make an appointment with you and determine if it is ignorance as to why you are disallowing it.

If I owned a business or grocery store and one of my employees caught you vaping and asked you to stop ... you wouldn't have a chance to make an appointment ... I would personally escort you out of the store and ban you ... all while you were muttering ... but, but, but

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[Oggy]

Ok so heres my 2 cents. I live in a county that banned "combustibles" so that they covered all smoking. Vaping does not fall into this area so i am able to vape in public places. I have only once been asked to stop and it was at a fast food place that i stop at a couple times a week. I put my PV away for the moment. I have talked to the Manager here about vaping because she is trying to stop smoking so i new it was ok as long as i wasnt bothing other customers. Her words not mine. I asked the person that asked me to stop about this when i was back to get my order and was told "Its OK as long as im not bothering other customers." I was upset about was the attitude the lady gave me when she told me to stop and that after she went and asked she didnt come back to me with her findings.

 

[demiseone]

i would have blew a fat cloud and said ok, then keep vaping. they wont kick you out or call the cops...

 

[generic mutant]

One of the main arguments used by people trying to ban vaping:

"It's just a way of getting around the smoking ban".

Worth thinking about how your actions add to, or detract from, that perception.

 

[nicetucu]

I don't usually vape in stores. But a long shopping day in Toys R Us the other night with my wife I just whipped out my vamo with one other person in the aisle and just did a few quick (not entirely stealthy) vapes. I sensed the Hispanic fellow behind me was very curious to what I was doing , but said nothing.

I think I did maybe 4 or 5 nice pulls and put it back in my jacket. No harm no foul.

 

[Mark Anthony]

Kudos to you for just letting it be.... we sure don't need any more negative attention drawn to vapers and vaping in general.

 

[twiggums]

i dont mean to sound like an ......., but I cringe when I see people do what the OP did. Dont care if you were trying to be stealth, obviously that plan failed.

I was at a walmart where some punk guy was just walking around with his PV blowing clouds in the aisles. 2 employees confronted him and the guy was too cool for school and said its not a cigarette, so hes allowed to.

The manager came and asked him to leave.

I dont get why you guys want vaping to get banned everywhere, because if it keeps happening, it will.

Just wait 5 minutes and vape in your car for .......* sake.

But if we essentially ban it ourselves what's the difference? If its a self imposed ban all of the sudden society will do a 180 and accept it with open arms?

Vape openly and respectfully, if you're asked to stop then stop. Seems simple enough.

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[vjc0628]

Didn't we also go years and years not smoking in our own residences and/or car? Why would it suddenly make sense to vape in these locations if we wouldn't smoke there?

residences and/or car is our own property
with other peoples property
if they don't approve that is there rights


You know I smoked 27 years and never hear any one complain
ohh the inhumanity we cant smoke in a store

but since vaping I see vapors
act is if not being allowed to vape in a store
is that same as some inhumane atrocity

I don't need to vape as much as I needed to smoke
There is no need to vape in a store restaurant or anywhere else the establishment does not allow

Hey I am not opposed to stealth vaping in a theater
but doing so knowing hey its not allowed

If someone says something to me I will respectfully stop
If not I got away with something

but it is def not MY right to do so

 

[smacuser]

I'm seeing a lot of responses encouraging lying - I'm pretty sure hiding something and then lying about it doesn't give vapers a particularly good name as a whole, but hey, maybe I don't know humans as well as I think I do.

I think those comments are meant to be jokes.

Most establishments don't have a vaping policy. If an owner or employee sees someone vape, most of the time they are making a judgement call based on how they feel the patrons of that business will react.

People can't react to what they don't see.

 

[Jman8]

I just don't understand why people can't just wait to vape. You would have never snuck a puff of a cigarette in a place like the grocery store.

I would've if:
a) I thought for sure secondhand smoke caused no harm to those around me
b) if (a) were true and medical science supported this view
c) smoke exhalation didn't linger, and/or was virtually odorless
d) rules in society were such that it was about as questionable as whether I could wear cologne in the store
e) I could take 1 or 2 puffs and then just put it back in my pocket

I think if you can't make it through the store with out a toot off your pv you might have a problem.

True, or that I really enjoy it. Is that plausible in your view of this? If not, couldn't one, who is say anti, say that if you can't go a month, or year, or decade without taking a toot, then perhaps you have a problem? Again, you likely didn't smoke in your own home or car, so what is this wonderful reason that you have for vaping in your own place? Pretend your response is being given to anti or non vapor, please.

Why do we feel that vaping (while it's safer then smoking as far as we know) can just be done any where.

See my a thru e notes above, and perhaps this will answer your inquiry.

You shouldn't be up set if anyone asks you to stop.

Depends on reasoning being provided for asking me to stop. Could play same game with lots of things people do in public. I'm unlikely to be upset right there on the spot, but if it was deemed (by me) as asking to stop because of ignorance on topic of vaping or in vein of "because I said so" - it would lead me to be upset in an intellectual way. When that occurs, I'm likely to become very rationale and philosophical about things. Hope that reaction doesn't upset people. I've noticed it does sometimes upset the less mature and less rational folks amongst us.

 

[Jman8]

If I owned a business or grocery store and one of my employees caught you vaping and asked you to stop ... you wouldn't have a chance to make an appointment ... I would personally escort you out of the store and ban you ... all while you were muttering ... but, but, but

And then I'd go on a vaping forum, and let all people know that this store is utterly ridiculous in their policies on vaping. Please be aware of how utterly ridiculous they are.

And I'd still return, and I'd still vape in that store, and I wouldn't get caught.

 

[CommaHolly]

why are people suggesting answers such as,,,,

this is an inhaler for my asthma, etc,,,,,,,

it's NOT TRUE,,,,,lying gets us NO WHERE. It's not ethical,,,,,,,,and it makes me crazy.

 

[Jman8]

residences and/or car is our own property
with other peoples property
if they don't approve that is there rights

This doesn't answer the question, which again was: Didn't we also go years and years not smoking in our own residences and/or car? Why would it suddenly make sense to vape in these locations if we wouldn't smoke there?

Presumably with logic being employed of 'only okay to vape where you smoke,' then if you vape in your residence, you'd be okay with another smoking in that same place. If not, why not?

I agree that property owner gets to set the rules of own property, but I may still question property owner to determine rationale behind those rules. I'm yet to hear a good reason, or even okay reason, for not being allowed to vape in a location, even in the dialogue of this thread. Best response so far on this thread is in vein of 'because I said so.' With that as best one can give, I'm all too tempted to vape and not get caught. As that has worked often for me while vaping, I'm thinking I'll continue in that vein indefinitely, cause chances are really really low that I will get caught given how I choose to vape in public. It isn't stealth vaping, but neither is it careless, disrespectful and drawing attention to myself vaping. Given that my vapor doesn't linger and is virtually odorless, I reckon it'll be a long time before I get caught. Add in plausible stealth measures, and good luck trying to catch us.

 

[SirSteve]

Not sure about the U.K., but here in the States a business does not have to allow vaping on their property. Telling someone to eff off like has been suggested does not exactly help in getting vaping accepted. More and more vaping is lumped together with smoking, not going to get into whether this is right or wrong, just making an observation. CASAA is one group fighting for the acceptance of vaping, CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association .

Educate, don't alienate.

 

[WillyZee]

And then I'd go on a vaping forum, and let all people know that this store is utterly ridiculous in their policies on vaping. Please be aware of how utterly ridiculous they are.

And I'd still return, and I'd still vape in that store, and I wouldn't get caught.

You wouldn't be banned just for vaping ... You would be banned for disrespecting my employees and the other customers ... and I wouldn't care how many forums you went on to whine about it.

Bottom line for me is ... Nobody should be vaping in a grocery store, out of respect for the other customers.


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