Too Many Jan Join Dates Asking About Sub Ohm

[Miira]

Create a sub-ohm safety sticky and encourage veterans to answer all sub-ohm questions with a link to said sticky?

I don't think this can be completely blamed on noobs. How many veterans have answered, "What should I buy to get started" questions with "Provari"? We've been encouraging noobs to skip ahead for a long time. Can't really be upset about it now.

 

[Myk]

The sky has been falling since I first signed on here from one thing or another.

All it was going to take is some _________ to _____ their _________ ________.
Yep, it's surely going to happen any second now.

 

[Akasticker]

I just don't get why people don't just do more to educate people about all these problems with sub ohm vaping instead of just complaining and making useless threads... Smh guys sub ohm is part of the vaping world and probably isn't going away. And there is always gonna be some idiot who doesn't educate himself and "blows himself up" .. Just part of life. It's better to just educate and make sure people are using the right equipment and batteries.

 

[Ryedan]

Create a sub-ohm safety sticky and encourage veterans to answer all sub-ohm questions with a link to said sticky?

I don't think this can be completely blamed on noobs. How many veterans have answered, "What should I buy to get started" questions with "Provari"? We've been encouraging noobs to skip ahead for a long time. Can't really be upset about it now.

The Provari thing is not a safety issue. This is different.

It's not that simple or it would probably be solved already. You can't just answer everyone's question with a link. Some people are not going to follow it and some questions need custom responses. Then there are the inexperienced ECF'ers trying to help. And if you say no talk of sub-ohms until you meet our requirements, people are going to go back to YouTube.

 

[Ryedan]

The sky has been falling since I first signed on here from one thing or another.

All it was going to take is some _________ to _____ their _________ ________.
Yep, it's surely going to happen any second now.

There's that too Myk. How bad can the issue really be if all these people are being really unsafe but no-one has been injured yet. I realize that doesn't mean things will not go bad later today, but I think it's a valid question.

 

[patkin]

They want this but don't have the money or the know how.

 

[dchest02]

I have encountered a few "cloud chasers" that have replied that I don't get it because I haven't done it, and once I do it, I won't go back.

My reply to them is that I've never done it because I have never tried to because vaping to me isn't about exhaling a cumulus cloud every drag, it's about nicotine replacement.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems as though at least some of the people chasing clouds are only vaping for that reason, which to me would be the wrong reason.

 

[sawlight]

I just don't get why people don't just do more to educate people about all these problems with sub ohm vaping instead of just complaining and making useless threads... Smh guys sub ohm is part of the vaping world and probably isn't going away. And there is always gonna be some idiot who doesn't educate himself and "blows himself up" .. Just part of life. It's better to just educate and make sure people are using the right equipment and batteries.

We honestly do try! Myself and others are in the new members area trying to stop the bad habits as fast as we can and educate people, BUT we can't be on here 24/7 to do that, and when someone comes in and gives them misinformation as Gospel, it takes several of us to get them to understand it wasn't the right information!
Then there are more and more and more of these threads every day, it's getting hard to catch them all!

 

[Topacka]

I don't think that the acquisition of knowledge should be kept from anybody, about anything, ever..

That said, everybody should be cautioned into thinking about their safety first, but, just like when we all started smoking, it being "dangerous" and "definitely going to kill you" did not stop a single cigarette smoker from trying and subsequently becoming addicted to them in their reckless abandon. If the knowledge is not freely available and "in your face" and somebody coming here with the hopes of gaining a greater understanding for their potentially dangerous behavior they are GOING to partake in, is met with an overwhelming backlash of "you just joined this arbitrary website yesterday so you clearly know nothing" and long term vaper elitism, they're going to leave, and that's no good.

Personally I would rather have the uneducated come here, and leave educated.

It's never going to be a 100% success rate, there will always be people who get angry because you say that what they are doing could hurt them and they need to learn more. Those people, are never going to go away. But there needs to be less of an attitude of vaping elitism (which I personally have encountered because I am a new member and apparently my post count is directly related to how long I've been vaping and how much knowledge I have) and more of an attitude of harm reduction.

If you want to change the world, the first thing you have to change is yourself.

 

[danimal40]

so I built dual coils at .6 each is it ok if I use this remote control car battery its 6000 mAh so Im ok right

 

[danimal40]

on a serious note. I go on every sub ohm or mech thread and post for them to buy either the sony or efest 30a battery. At least that lets me feel a little better that they wont blow themselves up. Hopefully

 

[Ryedan]

I don't think that the acquisition of knowledge should be kept from anybody, about anything, ever..

That said, everybody should be cautioned into thinking about their safety first, but, just like when we all started smoking, it being "dangerous" and "definitely going to kill you" did not stop a single cigarette smoker from trying and subsequently becoming addicted to them in their reckless abandon. If the knowledge is not freely available and "in your face" and somebody coming here with the hopes of gaining a greater understanding for their potentially dangerous behavior they are GOING to partake in, is met with an overwhelming backlash of "you just joined this arbitrary website yesterday so you clearly know nothing" and long term vaper elitism, they're going to leave, and that's no good.

Personally I would rather have the uneducated come here, and leave educated.

It's never going to be a 100% success rate, there will always be people who get angry because you say that what they are doing could hurt them and they need to learn more. Those people, are never going to go away. But there needs to be less of an attitude of vaping elitism (which I personally have encountered because I am a new member and apparently my post count is directly related to how long I've been vaping and how much knowledge I have) and more of an attitude of harm reduction.

If you want to change the world, the first thing you have to change is yourself.

Great post, some very good points and food for thought.

 

[shorestyle]

on a serious note. I go on every sub ohm or mech thread and post for them to buy either the sony or efest 30a battery. At least that lets me feel a little better that they wont blow themselves up. Hopefully

I like those purple ones. Can never seem to find a vendor that's in stock though.

 

[Baditude]

I actually approached one of the moderators about this issue a few months back. I didn't like seeing all of the sub-ohm topics in the New Members forum either; it just didn't seem appropriate to me. Some of the stories were just down right scarey bad. With noobs giving other noobs bad advice.

I was approached by said moderator not long after that asking for my input for a sort of users guide which ECF was hoping to put together to put in the ECF Library as a resource. Since I don't actually do sub-ohm vaping, I wasn't entirely comfortable to make a piece specifically about sub-ohms, but I did offer my blogs on batteries and information resources for RBA's to be included if thought to be applicable.

That was a couple of months ago, and I've not read of any progress report on the project. I don't even know who's supposed to be putting all of this info together.

 

[danimal40]

I like those purple ones. Can never seem to find a vendor that's in stock though.

I bought 2 off 101vape the day they got them in. I charged them but Im not using them until my 3 efest 1600 30a die.

 

[BillyWJ]

What scares me even more is they refuse to listen to sound advice when we try and fill in the gaps in thier knowledge and teach them the safety.

And, you know what? When I was 17, I was the same way. Life doesn't have crash pads, and some people insist on learning the hard way. I learned some pretty good lessons by doing it wrong, they'll be the same.

That doesn't mean we as a community can't address it, however.

 

[Ryedan]

I actually approached one of the moderators about this issue a few months back. I didn't like seeing all of the sub-ohm topics in the New Members forum either; it just didn't seem appropriate to me. Some of the stories were just down right scarey bad.

I was approached by said moderator not long after that asking for my input for a sort of users guide which ECF was hoping to put together to put in the ECF Library as a resource. Since I don't actually do sub-ohm vaping, I wasn't entirely comfortable to make a piece specifically about sub-ohms, but I did offer my blogs on batteries and information resources for RBA's to be included if thought to be applicable.

That was a couple of months ago, and I've not read of any progress report on the project. I don't even know who's supposed to be putting all of this info together.

IMO that's a great idea. I have the feeling all the pertinent information is here already, it just needs someone, or preferably a small group of people, to agree on what is safe, what works and put it together.

 

[meanckz]

maybe we can petition PBusardo, GrimmGreen, Rip Tripper and maybe some of the other known youtube reviewers to add a warning to their broadcasts, when it concerns those topics.

 

[Baditude]

maybe we can petition PBusardo, GrimmGreen, Rip Tripper and maybe some of the other known youtube reviewers to add a warning to their broadcasts, when it concerns those topics.

A cranky PBusardo already did a rant on cloud chasers and sub-ohms at the beginning of this video:

 

[rurwin]

I was a scaredy risk-averse kid. I have never broken a bone or received a significant injury.

Vapour? Pah! I was exhaling six foot long plumes of solid vapour over thirty years ago. I was doing it at significant risk to my teeth, my mouth and possibly my life, using liquid nitrogen. (It's safe enough if you keep it moving and spit as soon as you feel it bite or you reach the end of your exhale. Don't try this.)

I've also set fire to my bedroom, almost blown a friend's hand off with a firework, and almost been blinded by the same friend and an air gun.

But if anyone had suggested then that I would be addicted to cigarettes for twenty years, I wouldn't have believed I would ever be such an idiot.

There will always be fools. They generally survive, albeit with stories they won't tell their grandchildren, and they educate themselves. All we can do is to tell them there's danger.