Too Many Jan Join Dates Asking About Sub Ohm
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I see this everyday on just about any forum. Its the new bloods coming onto a car forum looking for the best "stance" with ridiculously stretched tires or super high HP without actually researching the pitfalls for both scenarios. I see it on the mobile device forums (tablets, phones) as well when they throw a custom OS and not know why it isn't working as advertised. Hell, with any hobby that something can be modified, there will ALWAYS be that new kid that wants the biggest and baddest that very moment without the education to support it. Should we shun them? Not at all. Like has already been said, they can be warned but something in their dna makes them the next best candidate for a Darwin award. Nothing can be done about it. The best we can do is try and educate until we're blue in the face but if it doesn't register in their thick, hollow skulls, oh well. We tried.
OK, 5 pages into this thread and I can't keep reading... Maybe I am going to get flamed for this, but there seems to be a few things that are really erking me on this thread and board (a lot of the time).
The level of pretentiousness that is exuding from post after post is maddening. It seems that just because you are a noob on this forum, you must be a noob to vaping in general. People are basing someone's knowledge level on their join date. Hate to burst your bubble, but a lot of people don't seek out forums until they need help.
Secondly I don't own a provari or a dna or an reo... Just a basic chi, a king and a hammer... Am I still cool enough to be a part of this clique? I understand that a lot of the people on this forum have a relationship with one another, and that like minds flock together but it seems like some people on this site see my king with a .35 ohm as a sub par unit...
oh well...
The level of pretentiousness that is exuding from post after post is maddening. It seems that just because you are a noob on this forum, you must be a noob to vaping in general. People are basing someone's knowledge level on their join date. Hate to burst your bubble, but a lot of people don't seek out forums until they need help.
Secondly I don't own a provari or a dna or an reo... Just a basic chi, a king and a hammer... Am I still cool enough to be a part of this clique? I understand that a lot of the people on this forum have a relationship with one another, and that like minds flock together but it seems like some people on this site see my king with a .35 ohm as a sub par unit...
oh well...
i do agree that no one should wake up one day and say i think ill vape sub ohm at square one. ALLOT of research on personal equipment and safety is needed to be done before sub ohm vaping should be done.
that being said natural selection and general disregard to safety is a hell of a way to find out that you didn't do enough research and not much we can do about that mindset
that being said natural selection and general disregard to safety is a hell of a way to find out that you didn't do enough research and not much we can do about that mindset
no one is talking of new members, just new vapers wanting to dive in the deep water without knowing how to swim first...
I too was a new vaper 11 months ago and just by reading everything on the new members sub I went from egos to a zmax at first... I did see a lot of threads and post about the dangers of sub ohms and rbas and knew they where for the advanced users and knew I wasn't one then
after some time and a lot of learning I went into rdas with my zmax then after that I jumped into the water (with my full scuba suit) with mechs sub-ohms and knowledge.
looking back I think I did it the right way not because I'm cautious but because at that time there where much more "sub-ohms are dangerous"posts than "give me the clouds"posts. right now the ratio has been reversed and that do worries me. every time there is one newbie asking about the clouds there are 2-3 helpful post buried on 20 irresponsible posts from guys that don't understand it either. this is alarming
I know nothing about cloud chasing. I haven't even successfully rebuilt an atty. So, when I see those threads I don't even venture onto them as I have nothing to contribute and don't need to learn as I have no interest in it. However, if there was a forum here devoted to it with the same kind of warnings that are in the DIY and Moding forums, I would post a link to it if I was the first on the thread with that knowledge. Has anyone checked out youtube for a good video I could post a link to?
Edit: this guy pretty well says it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU8gupEWycw
What he says about elitism or snobbery is right. I experienced it way back as a noob when it appeared some were looking down on me because I wanted info on Joye Ego kits or cartos.
while I was looking, I saw that some vendors are pushing cloud chasing kits... so some of this is capitalist driven.
Thanks Baditude, I just saw your post with the P Busardo video.
Edit: this guy pretty well says it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU8gupEWycw
What he says about elitism or snobbery is right. I experienced it way back as a noob when it appeared some were looking down on me because I wanted info on Joye Ego kits or cartos.
while I was looking, I saw that some vendors are pushing cloud chasing kits... so some of this is capitalist driven.
Thanks Baditude, I just saw your post with the P Busardo video.
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But post count is the only way we have of knowing any ones level of skill right now. Yes, there have been many that come through here that are VERY educated on what they are doing, and it becomes apparent quickly when discussing things with them. But until a skill level can be established, we have to assume they know nothing. I think if you were to spend some time in the new members section, a couple days to a week, answering some of their questions and I think you will see where we are coming from!
I have several mechanical's, a Nemesis clone, an Altoids tin mod, a BB and a Vmod, I've got nothing against them and use them regularly.
I've got nothing against sub ohm vaping either, I've tried it, don't like it myself, but would like to see it done safely. I don't think it's too much for us, as a community, to come together and advocate that, is it?
Not to be condescending, but the title implies this... "Too many Jan Join Dates..."
from what I've seen many of the people we would like to educate and enlighten are not open to being educated and enlightened......
yes, but driving a car and raising a kid are legal. vaping is still struggling in that area...... and IMHO this type of thing is not helping at all....
people have to want to be educated, from what I've seen, many do not care what is said - they think already know better.............
smoking cigs I suppose will kill you...in 50 years....I don't recall hearing about cigs blowing up in your face.........
this is my only issue with the sub ohm crowd. I wish the trend would have waited until we had the legalities of ecigs wrapped up. people seem to forget or not know that we are still under threat of regulation or banning. so in my view they are threatening my right to vape.....
I know i am repeating myself, but again, cars are legal already....
if someone wants to risk blowing themselves up, I don't care. but please wait until we get the legal stuff out of the way
and if (or when) someone does blow their face off hopefully we can find posts here to prove they went against advice so ecigs don't get completely banned.
and just a little fyi, when on the computer I vape using a 650 ego, SR (disposable) atty, 50/50 liquid and I am always waving the vapor away from the computer screen so I can see it..........just saying..............
Was there something in this thread that insulted you personally? I don't understand your anger in this response.
You missed the mark on the example I was using. Stretched tires will not pass annual inspections nor does the stupid drive height of mm's from the ground. Those type of things are illegal in most states. That's where the "stance" term I used comes from. I'm sure you've seen those people scraping down the street over the last few years. If you're going to pick apart posts, at least have an idea of what you are picking apart. Thanks.
Disclaimer-The above is not meant to start to a fight so don't take it that way.
ok, I don't know about cars....and I didn't know that stuff. and I am willing to admit if I am wrong. perhaps I should have said "cars are already legal and stretched tires are already illegal........"
my point is that ecigs are still in a state of flux....
you would not have needed that disclaimer if you had not put in that last sentence ..........I was responding to a thread, not picking something apart. and I still stand by my post
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Saw I have to disagree a bit with you. Post count is not even something I look at. It is post CONTENT I look at to judge someones level. "Are they missing key information on the topic at hand" is the question I ask myself.
My gut instinct is that it's slightly less likely with guns than it is with vaping devices because guns even when working normally go "bang!" pretty loud anyway and most people get more shy the bigger and louder the gun to begin with. A normal, full-power .44 mag quiets the line at most indoor ranges and with hard grips and a short barrel can make your hand sting, too.
I don't think anyone thinks of any inherent "risk" with a shorted 2.5 amp hour battery because they just don't know what can happen nor do they understand the energies involved in releasing it all at once or how nasty a lithium fire is.
Overall I think it speaks to the amount of technological development still to be done in vaping. When you can get a device that produces a lot of vapor without gunking or not working for at least a week or more without the risk of fire or a minor in electro-mechanical engineering I think fewer people will quit getting frustrated with balky attachments and stop reaching for the next step. We don't hear a lot of people blowing up their house with stills because it's pretty easy to get a bottle of whisky that just works.
I'm very direct with how I come across to people. Most have to get a feel for how I am. That's why I added the disclaimer.
Anyway, I agree. The vaping habit/ hobby is in an odd place. Like I said before, there are those that will listen to no amount of advice from the experienced. Let them dig their own grave. Hell, that's how many rules/ laws/ regulations come to fruition anyway. Someone screwed up and the masses want something to protect them.
The problem with this is only producing a few educational videos (regardless of how professional and informative) will leave a monstrous amount of cracks for noobs to fall through. I love this guys videos but I've never seen this one.
I truly think there should be a required, standardized video to be shown at the beginning of ecig YouTube vids. Obviously it wouldn't need to apply to every sort (juice reviews, etc). It could even be a quick heads up regarding the dangers. Would be pretty sweet is some of the 'big names' would cast it.
Im just curious where all this cloud chasing came from! I started vaping to quit killing myself with analogs. I never once bought a pack of marl lights and a pack of another brand and made "cloud" selfies videos of myself to post on instagram or youtube comparing the two cigarettes. I vape to enjoy it and to live alot longer.
While I understand what you are saying, most times I run across people with less than 3 posts, and most times it's just one post. "I'm having trouble getting flavor from my .3 ohm build" "Which battery for my sub ohm build?" Things like this, with little more information to go off of.
Something similar to this might be a great idea to "require" beside the initial number of posts before you can go to the General Forum? Hey, everybody loves a video, ok, most people like videos because you're using more than just 1 sense (visual) vs. 2 (visual, audio).
I don't see how it would be demeaning to seasoned vapers just joining or too much info for a total newbie to vaping.
Just my
but I'm the kind of person who reads all the warning and cautions for anything I'm about to embark on.....well, except emus 25+ years ago, which should have had labels on them saying "Proceed at Your Own Risk", "Welcome to the New Frontier of Strange Injuries that land you in the ER", and "No One REALLY knows anything about Emus so You Are On Your Own", but nobody, in the US, KNEW or was willing to give ACCURATE instructions on what can be an extremely dangerous creature.
I think at the end of the day, it's ultimately going to be up to the individual to decide for them self. I am new. 2 months vaping. I am very interested in trying sub ohm vaping. Where I am different from some? I have had my supplies here to start rebuilding Kanger heads for about a week. I haven't made it any further then double boiling my organic cotton so far. Why, some people may ask. Although I have about 100+ hours at least reading here, reading elsewhere, and watching YouTube, and asking questions, I don't feel 100% ready. I have read Baditude's battery safety at least more then a few times, but still don't know it front and back. This makes me wait. Really has no bearing on building Kanger heads to 1.8+ ohm readings, but a better understanding of advanced methods, leads to better experience for simpler things.
I in no way advocate anyone, new or not, to build sub ohm setups if they don't have rudimentary knowledge of OHMS LAW. The person needs to understand differences between knock off batteries, and genuine ones. IMO these are not topics that can be learned in just a couple months. I have seen many "vets" try to point these new people in the right direction, but then not five minutes later the person post's a new thread about why there Ultrafire knock off is dead after a half hour. I think, IMO, pointing these people to the information is all that can really be done. People will do whatever they choose at the end of the day.
I personally say... Just like the Facebook post we have all seen... Remove the all the warning labels and let natural selection weed it out. If only it could be so simple.
Just my thought on the matter.
I in no way advocate anyone, new or not, to build sub ohm setups if they don't have rudimentary knowledge of OHMS LAW. The person needs to understand differences between knock off batteries, and genuine ones. IMO these are not topics that can be learned in just a couple months. I have seen many "vets" try to point these new people in the right direction, but then not five minutes later the person post's a new thread about why there Ultrafire knock off is dead after a half hour. I think, IMO, pointing these people to the information is all that can really be done. People will do whatever they choose at the end of the day.
I personally say... Just like the Facebook post we have all seen... Remove the all the warning labels and let natural selection weed it out. If only it could be so simple.
Just my thought on the matter.
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