Tootle Puffers, Part Three! (The Sequel of the Redux)

[DingerCPA]

I agree, and disagree, lol! Yes, it should be all about getting off cigs and what works for you, use it!
BUT I have two major problems with the cloud chasers, one is it seems like the majority of them, note I said seems like the majority, I can't prove that, seem to just want to show off and be obnoxious about how big their clouds are and heaven forbid you ask them to chill a bit! "I've got the right to vape in here, so I'm going to vape the way I want to and screw you if you don't like it!" At a cloud comp, great, go for it. At a vape shop, meh, but still tolerable. Trying to eat dinner with the fam, or sitting at a bar and you can't even see the bartender, no thanks.
Second is something that I feared years ago, before it even got this crazy, battery safety! Go spend some time in the new members section, it's scary! "Well my Noisy cricket got hot!" Ok, what's the Ohms of the build on it? "I dunno, my buddy built it, I don't know how." What battery are using, what's the amp rating? "I dunno, dude at the vape shop said they would work fine." So, you don't know the load, you don't know what load the batteries can take, I can't help you much, enjoy your short life of vaping!
Sorry, I'm cynical anymore, everyone wants to be the cool kid blowing the biggest cloud, but don't want to learn anything about how to do it right, much less safely.
Off my soapbox now.

^^^^^ AND THIS!!!!!

Hence, my comments about "EDUCATION". I have read (and replied to) a number of threads where the inexperienced/"undereducated with regards to proper building constraints" wants to throw a 0.05Ω coil on an unknown battery and doesn't understand why it's not working right (gets hot, scorches, tastes like crap).

No coil or battery is 100% SAFE. It is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to vape SAFELY and set GOOD EXAMPLES of how this can be done. I never liked cigarette smoke in MY face, so I'll try to be respectful and not blow it in YOUR face (even though it smells a heckuvalot better....) I don't want to blow MY hands or face apart because I'm trying to fire a dead short on a device (regulated or not)

So again, WE need to vape safely and we need to EDUCATE others that it's perfectly possible to vape safely.....

 

[Sir Kadly]

I agree, and disagree, lol! Yes, it should be all about getting off cigs and what works for you, use it!
BUT I have two major problems with the cloud chasers, one is it seems like the majority of them, note I said seems like the majority, I can't prove that, seem to just want to show off and be obnoxious about how big their clouds are and heaven forbid you ask them to chill a bit! "I've got the right to vape in here, so I'm going to vape the way I want to and screw you if you don't like it!" At a cloud comp, great, go for it. At a vape shop, meh, but still tolerable. Trying to eat dinner with the fam, or sitting at a bar and you can't even see the bartender, no thanks.
Second is something that I feared years ago, before it even got this crazy, battery safety! Go spend some time in the new members section, it's scary! "Well my Noisy cricket got hot!" Ok, what's the Ohms of the build on it? "I dunno, my buddy built it, I don't know how." What battery are using, what's the amp rating? "I dunno, dude at the vape shop said they would work fine." So, you don't know the load, you don't know what load the batteries can take, I can't help you much, enjoy your short life of vaping!
Sorry, I'm cynical anymore, everyone wants to be the cool kid blowing the biggest cloud, but don't want to learn anything about how to do it right, much less safely.
Off my soapbox now.

Well I agree and disagree...
First the agreement. I dislike the "Cloud Bro's" Key thing here is that I have no problem with Cloud Chasers, just "Cloud Bro's" What's the difference? The Cloud Bro's are the people who have no respect for anyone else, want to blow massive clouds everywhere "because you can't stop me, since I'm not smoking" and who give all vapers a bad image and a bad name. Many people are cloud chasers without behaving that way. And I would like to point out I have never actually seen one with my own eyes, in my part of Indiana. I've never seen someone vaping in a restaurant, and even on the streets I only see the occasional vaper, generally blowing fairly limited clouds.

Now the disagreement. That wasn't the purpose of this post. I was responding to Kat, who indicated that there is a lot of negativity from one group of vapers towards another, and I was saying that I don't see anyone being regularly belittled for their choice of vaping styles. So while I'm trying to be respectful here, next time I would appreciate it if you don't hijack my posts to make a completely unrelated and irrelevant point.

 

[sawlight]

Well I agree and disagree...
First the agreement. I dislike the "Cloud Bro's" Key thing here is that I have no problem with Cloud Chasers, just "Cloud Bro's" What's the difference? The Cloud Bro's are the people who have no respect for anyone else, want to blow massive clouds everywhere "because you can't stop me, since I'm not smoking" and who give all vapers a bad image and a bad name. Many people are cloud chasers without behaving that way. And I would like to point out I have never actually seen one with my own eyes, in my part of Indiana. I've never seen someone vaping in a restaurant, and even on the streets I only see the occasional vaper, generally blowing fairly limited clouds.

Now the disagreement. That wasn't the purpose of this post. I was responding to Kat, who indicated that there is a lot of negativity from one group of vapers towards another, and I was saying that I don't see anyone being regularly belittled for their choice of vaping styles. So while I'm trying to be respectful here, next time I would appreciate it if you don't hijack my posts to make a completely unrelated and irrelevant point.

Kat directed said question at me initially, I responded in kind and as we were having a conversation, or so I thought, about it, I interjected my opinion about the subject. So the matter of who hijacked what is highly up for debate.
But I will remember to NEVER respond to any of your posts in the future.

 

[Sir Kadly]

Kat directed said question at me initially, I responded in kind and as we were having a conversation, or so I thought, about it, I interjected my opinion about the subject. So the matter of who hijacked what is highly up for debate.
But I will remember to NEVER respond to any of your posts in the future.

I never said you couldn't reply to my posts. I have no problem with having a discussion with you. But your reply was unrelated to the subject matter, and consequently changed the subject. I was not discussing people blowing massive clouds, nor was I discussing battery safety. I was talking about how Kat wanted to let this thread drop due to arguments about vape styles.

Below is what I was responding to, even though I didn't directly reply to it initially, I fail to see where this was directed at any specific person, or where your response to my post is related.

Seems there's been a bit of chatter and a few rants lately over vape styles. So much so, that I've thought perhaps this thread has run its course. As most of you know (or hope you do) it was never started as an "us against them", or an idea to set up camps. Some of you know that I started this thread simply to find out if anyone still vaped the way I did! I found out many do.

 

[TrollDragon]

Ya know, I've always wondered, if it's 91% Russian, what's the other 9%?

Kebo released the Russian 91% to compete with the new Kayfun 3.1. They left off the 3.1's janky bottom fill port which was 9% of the RTAs size.

 

[sawlight]

The original post, I'd have to go back a ways to find it, was how I interpreted the "Us vs. Them" clash that seems to be going on now, and how I related to it after coming back to vaping after a break.
I may have even instigated part of that way back. I started a thread in the "vets" section called "I'm so sick of this sub ohm crap!" talking about how things were devolving and people were lacking the needed knowledge in battery safety to properly do so. That is where the "unrelated tangent" came from.
I do see a big swing, on the forums, with my friends that vape, in vape shops and so on, about how everyone is going to sub ohm. I even got lectured the other night in another thread talking about the "human fog machine" as to why a "tootle puffer" would even read, much less respond to a thread like that. My low builds are around .8 ohms, no where near the norm of today. So it's very much out there! It's also very hard to find atties that suit MTL without doing a lot of digging. I was watching a PBusardo video the other night, I forget which one now, but even he was discouraged with the in-fighting going on and purported hate mail he'd received because he's an MTL vaper! I can't see any sense, or purpose in that at all?
Nor do I understand that just because I don't use something, doesn't mean I can't be knowledgeable about it? I have a friend that uses mainly mechs and I don't think he's got a coil over .2 ohms. I know his gear, I know his builds, I understand the math and have a working knowledge of it. But I don't use it. Does that mean I have to hate it, or others have to hate me for that? It's seemingly almost to that point sometimes.

 

[sawlight]

Sorry I'm rambling so much, going on one hour of sleep, I need to try getting back to bed, if that helps explain anything!

 

[DavidOck]

Ya know, I've always wondered, if it's 91% Russian, what's the other 9%?
On a more serious note, what are everyone's thoughts and opinions on which of the KF/Russian style tanks (note I'd probably be looking at EHpro clones if I actually buy anything) is the best flavor chaser tank? Obviously KF v4 added top fill, but it seems like a lot of people prefer the older versions, so thought I'd ask the question.

EhPro's V2 Lite Plus. Dual air intake, otherwise the same as the rest. The V4s are ok, but hold less. (Although the glass tank may be important for those who vape crackers...)

 

[medleypat]

The original post, I'd have to go back a ways to find it, was how I interpreted the "Us vs. Them" clash that seems to be going on now, and how I related to it after coming back to vaping after a break.
I may have even instigated part of that way back. I started a thread in the "vets" section called "I'm so sick of this sub ohm crap!" talking about how things were devolving and people were lacking the needed knowledge in battery safety to properly do so. That is where the "unrelated tangent" came from.
I do see a big swing, on the forums, with my friends that vape, in vape shops and so on, about how everyone is going to sub ohm. I even got lectured the other night in another thread talking about the "human fog machine" as to why a "tootle puffer" would even read, much less respond to a thread like that. My low builds are around .8 ohms, no where near the norm of today. So it's very much out there! It's also very hard to find atties that suit MTL without doing a lot of digging. I was watching a PBusardo video the other night, I forget which one now, but even he was discouraged with the in-fighting going on and purported hate mail he'd received because he's an MTL vaper! I can't see any sense, or purpose in that at all?
Nor do I understand that just because I don't use something, doesn't mean I can't be knowledgeable about it? I have a friend that uses mainly mechs and I don't think he's got a coil over .2 ohms. I know his gear, I know his builds, I understand the math and have a working knowledge of it. But I don't use it. Does that mean I have to hate it, or others have to hate me for that? It's seemingly almost to that point sometimes.

I have to agree with someones earlier post I have not seen that on this thread everyone here seems to be vape your style

 

[sawlight]

I have to agree with someones earlier post I have not seen that on this thread everyone here seems to be vape your style

It wasn't on this thread, she was just asking me a general question. I'll go back and find the post and quote it so everyone can catch up.

 

[sawlight]

Hiya sawlight. Glad to see you back around these parts. I can only imagine coming back to vape after a few years (months, even). There is soooooooo much out now, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in not knowing half of what's out there!

I tend to stick with what works, and what's good, consistent, and tasty for me. As Krisma so astutely pointed out, there are all kinds of playgrounds out there for all of us, but the comforts of 'home' are not to be denied.

Seems there's been a bit of chatter and a few rants lately over vape styles. So much so, that I've thought perhaps this thread has run its course. As most of you know (or hope you do) it was never started as an "us against them", or an idea to set up camps. Some of you know that I started this thread simply to find out if anyone still vaped the way I did! I found out many do.

JK, your post caused me to pause. You said you "STILL" vape MTL. I wonder... do you intend to change that vape? Do you (as a relative newer vaper) have thoughts that you should or will "progress" to more "advanced" vaping? I'm kurious what you all think.

Hor d'oveuvres fer thought-vres.











Thank you (blush). I rather like it, too. The GMZ, beautiful, the tank, delights, but the tip top of the exquisite drip tip? The Kat's ME-OW!

This is what started this topic in here.

 

[LJFinFLA]

I have to agree with someones earlier post I have not seen that on this thread everyone here seems to be vape your style

Totally agree! I have not seen any in fighting in this thread regarding what style of vaping one does. I've always felt welcome here although I'm not a 100% bonfide Tootle Puffer. I think in here everyone respects everyone else. It's the reason this is one of only 3 threads that I subscribe to.

 

[Sir Kadly]

Sorry I'm rambling so much, going on one hour of sleep, I need to try getting back to bed, if that helps explain anything!

I do apologize for being testy.
I tend to stay within very specific threads so I just don't see much of the "us vs them" type comments. I assumed she was referring to MTL vs DL, or tootlepuffing vs modwomping vs cloud chasing. Also I tend to distinguish between cloud chasing and being a dumb
You do have valid points. It is harder to find gear aimed at non sub ohmers than at sub ohmers, and I do think too many newbies are pointed straight to sub ohm direct lung inhales when maybe that isn't what they need. And too many people seem to jump into vaping to look cool, and don't take the time to understand what they are doing so they buy a mech, get someone to make them a super low build, and throw in a crappy battery because some friend told 'em that's how to make the best clouds.

 

[sawlight]

I do apologize for being testy.
I tend to stay within very specific threads so I just don't see much of the "us vs them" type comments. I assumed she was referring to MTL vs DL, or tootlepuffing vs modwomping vs cloud chasing. Also I tend to distinguish between cloud chasing and being a dumb
You do have valid points. It is harder to find gear aimed at non sub ohmers than at sub ohmers, and I do think too many newbies are pointed straight to sub ohm direct lung inhales when maybe that isn't what they need. And too many people seem to jump into vaping to look cool, and don't take the time to understand what they are doing so they buy a mech, get someone to make them a super low build, and throw in a crappy battery because some friend told 'em that's how to make the best clouds.

I also apologize, I think we were both on the edge a bit over the same things!
I used to think the same as you on the cloud chasers, but the ones that do know what they are doing, are rather ingenious and a lot of the things they've come up with help with advances in other areas. The Clapton coils being a prime example.
But without some gray matter between the ears a lot of these new vapors are going to be causing us all a lot of discomfort in the way of regulations. I can see the Govmt stepping in to help save us from ourselves, if you will. We may be regulated back to Ego, or at least non-replaceable battery mods to try and keep kids from blowing hands off, or worse? Hell, if big tobacco has their way, we may be stuck buying cigalikes just from them, Blu, Markten etc.
I certainly hope it doesn't come to that, but that's why I get so worked up about this topic. It's also why I'm so preachy about battery safety. So sorry if I come across rude on that topic, but that's my reasoning.

 

[MikeyConti]

@Katdarling Ill just make a NEW thread!!!

Oh, I may blow Clouds sometimes but im a





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[Katdarling]

Bravo, all of you, and thank you, all of you. MY apologies for inadvertently opening a can o' worms. The discussions here (since my last post) have been marvelous tho.

saw, I did quote you in my post, but I really should have been more klear that I was reaching out to all of you.

I appreciate you guys and ladies so very much.

 

[DavidOck]

It is harder to find gear aimed at non sub ohmers than at sub ohmers, and I do think too many newbies are pointed straight to sub ohm direct lung inhales when maybe that isn't what they need.

But without some gray matter between the ears a lot of these new vapors are going to be causing us all a lot of discomfort in the way of regulations.

Yep.

Seems so many are jumping on the humongous clouds as fun that the initial (and, for me, ONLY) purpose was to get off cigs for something less harmful. As long as I'm an EX-smoker, everything else is dessert.

And the threat of impending regulation to sticks is why so many of us have stocked up on rebuildables, extra mods, and nic for DIY....

 

[DingerCPA]

Yep.

Seems so many are jumping on the humongous clouds as fun that the initial (and, for me, ONLY) purpose was to get off cigs for something less harmful. As long as I'm an EX-smoker, everything else is dessert.

And the threat of impending regulation to sticks is why so many of us have stocked up on rebuildables, extra mods, and nic for DIY....

Another reason I'll still shop the "Bargain Bins". Yes, I finally got a couple o' P-thingies. I didn't have to pay full price; I will have a solid device that I can use for my "tootle-range" vaping preferences. I have higher-powered mods that I can push (and even so, I don't spend a lot of time above 50W.... Just because I *have* it, doesn't mean I need to *use* it.) I have a few mechanicals. Those will keep me in "tootle- to medium-range", as I generally don't build below 0.5Ω - because that's *MY* preference.

Madame @Katdarling, it's not a bad thing for us to remind ourselves occasionally *WHY* we do this thing called "Vaping". Only time I'll prolly ever tell someone they're "doing it wrong" is if they're attempting something unsafe or something well-known to not work (such as running a 2.5Ω PT2 coil at 50W I'm guessing that wouldn't last very long....)

I do a lot of training, and I try to preface with "This is how I learned XXX, but there are often multiple ways to get from Point A to Point B" YOU find what works for YOU.

Shalom

 

[wvducklady]

Another reason I'll still shop the "Bargain Bins". Yes, I finally got a couple o' P-thingies. I didn't have to pay full price; I will have a solid device that I can use for my "tootle-range" vaping preferences. I have higher-powered mods that I can push (and even so, I don't spend a lot of time above 50W.... Just because I *have* it, doesn't mean I need to *use* it.) I have a few mechanicals. Those will keep me in "tootle- to medium-range", as I generally don't build below 0.5Ω - because that's *MY* preference.

Madame @Katdarling, it's not a bad thing for us to remind ourselves occasionally *WHY* we do this thing called "Vaping". Only time I'll prolly ever tell someone they're "doing it wrong" is if they're attempting something unsafe or something well-known to not work (such as running a 2.5Ω PT2 coil at 50W I'm guessing that wouldn't last very long....)

I do a lot of training, and I try to preface with "This is how I learned XXX, but there are often multiple ways to get from Point A to Point B" YOU find what works for YOU.

Shalom

I busted up laughing when I read, "2.5Ω PT2 coil at 50W I'm guessing that wouldn't last very long....)" That would not be a good experience....

 

[sawlight]

Bravo, all of you, and thank you, all of you. MY apologies for inadvertently opening a can o' worms. The discussions here (since my last post) have been marvelous tho.

saw, I did quote you in my post, but I really should have been more klear that I was reaching out to all of you.

I appreciate you guys and ladies so very much.

No worries Kat, just a couple of small misunderstandings and fortunately we managed to stay adult about it and sort it all out quickly.