TV Bashing Thread!

[stover.p]

I am Soooooo naive!!!
I didn't realize this was for the vendor Tasty Vaper (tv) I thot we could bi%%# about stupid ... shows on TV!!!!!
OMG, I need to really pay attention more!!

It's ok we all have our blonde moments.............even blondes, like I was a few years ago

 

[Ru42]

I have never purchased from TV. I have had no personal issues with TV. I am a person from the outside looking in and I do have a question. You like to be direct so please be direct about one issue I have read and as a potential future customer I would like addressed.

What happened in one of the recent co-ops? I have read many complaints about the END juice; light color, light taste, cross contamination taste, stringy stuff on the inside. Seems to be that something went wrong somewhere.

Please note the words 'end juice' and somewhere. I am not saying TV is necessarily at fault. But from pictures and commentaries I read something seems to have happened somewhere.

To date, please correct me if I am wrong, you have never made a public statement on what happened. While in all honesty TV might be 100% innocent in what happened - - as a business owner and your product line on the line, I would like to hear what you have say. A person could read the reports and their initial reaction might be 'I will never order TV juice' only because your name was attached to it. As a business professional, I know I would want to investigate if someone was doing something to one of my products and that it caused me/my company harm.

What happened (fact) in the co-op; to the best of your ability.
What may have happened to the best of your speculation.

I am not attacking you nor is this a whine. Nor do I expect you to attack someone else. Just people coming together to try and determine what happened. I think a lot of people got some bad juice and you are paying for it. You need to set the record straight from your end or at least that is my opinion.

Some ideas for you going forward with other co-ops.
1. Make sure you know who is leading a co-op

2. Make sure they know what procedures to do in splitting up juice (cleanliness, cross contamination, shake, steep time, etc. You would know better then I what precautions they would have to take to make sure good product is being sent out. I am not saying you have to hold their hands (it can be as simple as 1 five minute phone call) - but a little time invested on your end might pay huge dividends for you on the back side.

3. Some speculation was that maybe the juice was split up too fast. You might make it a requirements that when you make a co-op batch you will complete the batch but will not send it to the op leader for 1 week (or whatever time period you feel is needed to make sure your juice is the best it can be when split up.)

Just some ideas, use or discard as you wish.

 

[r3dgh0s7]

I'd be amazed if you got a reply, Ru. Last I heard was he wont take questions or even discuss co-ops since it wasnt directly from them. I do understand where you are coming from though.

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

Well, the reason I don't take co-op questions, is because I'm not qualified to answer co-op questions. There are two individuals who handle the co-ops and neither of them are Tasty Vapor employees. So you'd be better off asking the people who are operating the co-ops.

The only thing we do is mix the liquids for the co-op. How it's handled after it leaves here, how it was re-bottled, what was added, etc., that's all out of our hands. So I don't understand what heat anybody expects us to take over co-ops.

If liquids are re-handled by any third party, in any way, we're not going to assume responsibility for it.

 

[Sallana]

Only thing I'll say is I would love to see my tracking number on my tasty vapor online order history. Other than that excellent service thus far. Can't vouch for the product just yet as I haven't received it. (tomorrow)

First of all.. They send you a confirmation e-mail with a tracking number which you can write down or just not delete the e-mail.

Second of all, it's good to know that you had ordered from TV around the exact same time you claimed need to my 100+ ML of TV juice I was giving away. I hope you enjoy all that.

 

[keyzygirl]

Wow,thats not right.

 

[Ru42]

Well, the reason I don't take co-op questions, is because I'm not qualified to answer co-op questions. There are two individuals who handle the co-ops and neither of them are Tasty Vapor employees. So you'd be better off asking the people who are operating the co-ops.

The only thing we do is mix the liquids for the co-op. How it's handled after it leaves here, how it was re-bottled, what was added, etc., that's all out of our hands. So I don't understand what heat anybody expects us to take over co-ops.

If liquids are re-handled by any third party, in any way, we're not going to assume responsibility for it.

Well, you completely missed my point or chose to ignore it. I do not expect you to take heat for it nor do I expect you to take any financial responsibility to fix what was done (unless obviously the fault was something you did).

But as a professional I thought you would be interested that somebody may have damaged your product. I know if it was my business I would want to get some answers and then be able to reassure my customers. Also, I would want to put steps in place to make sure someone doesn't harm my product again.

I read your post and I get 'I did my part, it went out my door, I don't care what happened after that point.'

Well, take ECF as a fine example. Are they responsible for what any forum vendor on here does? No, of course not. Nor does any human being in their right mine expect ECF to fix the issue out of their own pockets. But when they learn of a vendor who has done something seriously wrong they look into it and work on a fix. Why do they do that? Because a supplier on here reflects back on the management team of ECF; not directly (as in ECF has no direct control) but indirectly since that vendor is a 'forum supplier.' ECF wants to protect their name and reputation.

Likewise you have no direct control on what a co-op leader is going to do to your juices. But indirectly, when they mess with your juices it does reflect back on you. You can choose to be proactive and protect your name and customers or you can shrug your shoulders and just say there is nothing I can do. ECF does the former and it seems you have chosen the later.

Of course TV is yours to run how you want. I thought I would create an opening for you to address a situation that happened and sullied your name.

 

[FreeFlow]

by that logic I can sell some TV juice in the classifieds and take a piss in it and the buyer can blame Geoff and TV at fault for garbage juice

Well, you completely missed my point or chose to ignore it. I do not expect you to take heat for it nor do I expect you to take any financial responsibility to fix what was done (unless obviously the fault was something you did).

But as a professional I thought you would be interested that somebody may have damaged your product. I know if it was my business I would want to get some answers and then be able to reassure my customers. Also, I would want to put steps in place to make sure someone doesn't harm my product again.

I read your post and I get 'I did my part, it went out my door, I don't care what happened after that point.'

Well, take ECF as a fine example. Are they responsible for what any forum vendor on here does? No, of course not. Nor does any human being in their right mine expect ECF to fix the issue out of their own pockets. But when they learn of a vendor who has done something seriously wrong they look into it and work on a fix. Why do they do that? Because a supplier on here reflects back on the management team of ECF; not directly (as in ECF has no direct control) but indirectly since that vendor is a 'forum supplier.' ECF wants to protect their name and reputation.

Likewise you have no direct control on what a co-op leader is going to do to your juices. But indirectly, when they mess with your juices it does reflect back on you. You can choose to be proactive and protect your name and customers or you can shrug your shoulders and just say there is nothing I can do. ECF does the former and it seems you have chosen the later.

Of course TV is yours to run how you want. I thought I would create an opening for you to address a situation that happened and sullied your name.

 

[Ru42]

by that logic I can sell some TV juice in the classifieds and take a piss in it and the buyer can blame Geoff and TV at fault for garbage juice

Please tell me your intelligence wouldn't really make such a stupid leap of logic and that you are just posting this to be some sort of troll.

On a side note, I am NOT blaming Geoff for what the co-op leaders might or might not have done. I do think on his end he could have done more AFTER the fact to 1)reassure his customers and 2) try to put in steps to prevent it from happening again.

Geoff created this thread to try and find some 'nuggets' to improve. I tossed out a couple and he can choose to consider or not consider them. His choice. I tried to shed some light on where he is getting bad press.

As I said in the beginning, I have no personal beef directly or indirectly with Geoff and/or TV.

 

[romping]

Now I´m very confused. I have been vaping for 6 months. I started out with awesome vapor which was very good. I saw a weekly offering at vaporbomb for blueberry and bought a bunch of bottles at 10 bucks a pop. That vaporbomb blueberry is the best stuff I have ever vaped at 20% VG. Amazing. Then when i reordered different flavors, the liquid had apparently been changed to a pharmacy grade VG and seemed to run a bit more out of the atomizer creating a bit of a mess. I am now about to order some more liquid and have been researching and the TV concept of buying a high level of PC by the ounce and mixing with doublers seemed to make alot of financial sense. Lot´s of liquid for a great price. So now where do I buy my juice? I would give my left nut for more of that thick and vapory Vaporbomb blueberry juice. I´m worried I will get more runny juice if I do though. If I buy TV, will I get chest pains? Will I get a bunch of runny juice too? Help!!! I need to restock soon!

 

[jcdrgnfly]

Not to worry Ru42, both VQ and myself will not be running any more co-ops. We both enjoy Tasty Vapor far too much to threaten Geoff's business in any way.

I apologize for any problems my running a co-op has given you, Geoff. I will remain simply a faithful customer from now on

Please tell me your intelligence wouldn't really make such a stupid leap of logic and that you are just posting this to be some sort of troll.

On a side note, I am NOT blaming Geoff for what the co-op leaders might or might not have done. I do think on his end he could have done more AFTER the fact to 1)reassure his customers and 2) try to put in steps to prevent it from happening again.

Geoff created this thread to try and find some 'nuggets' to improve. I tossed out a couple and he can choose to consider or not consider them. His choice. I tried to shed some light on where he is getting bad press.

As I said in the beginning, I have no personal beef directly or indirectly with Geoff and/or TV.

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

Romping, let's NOT turn an individual's medical situation into an overall fear-mongering thread.

Everybody reacts differently to certain things, as well as certain individuals having reactions to nicotine, some to PG, some to VG and some find they can't even use vaping products at all. But it should NEVER be so blindly assumed that because one person experiences something, that everybody will experience the same thing.

 

[Ru42]

Whoa - slow down.

1) If you have a VB issue protocol is to take it up in their forum. I know you are making a comparison but just saying.

2) I have nothing bad to say about TV juice and a person's chect pains related to TV juice is unlikely. My guess it was a coincidence.

3) If I recall correctly, more VG = thicker juice. (Someone please correct me if I am wrong.) So, order it that way. I use mainly 50/50 juice and I do not have running issues. Maybe a post in one of the help sections of the forum can give you better thoughts on how to fix it.

4) Buy from TV. There are great reviews and may loyal customers. Part of the fun/challenge is finding out what you like from a vendor.

 

[Zenfrogs]

It seems to me that when a person participates in a co-op like such as this where juice is purchased in bulk and then portioned out by non TV employee into secondary containers (hopefully new) that there is quite a bit of room for error, contamination, etc and that by participation they accept that risk. I do not see how it is any different than purchasing from the classifieds. The fact is when we make purchases like these we don’t know where/who it is coming from, how it was stored, etc.I don’t see what they could possibly do to police the co-op samples except put an end to any future ones (which I am not suggesting in any way). It just seems logical that once it has left TV hands it isn’t their responsibility. just saying...

 

[uba egar320]

I got some TV tobacco several months back and wasn't crazy about it. I broke it back out a week or so ago and have been vaping it at5v, and can't put it down. I swear this stuff has aged or something. Pretty awesome IMO.

 

[haileymadison]

Now I´m very confused. I have been vaping for 6 months. I started out with awesome vapor which was very good. I saw a weekly offering at vaporbomb for blueberry and bought a bunch of bottles at 10 bucks a pop. That vaporbomb blueberry is the best stuff I have ever vaped at 20% VG. Amazing. Then when i reordered different flavors, the liquid had apparently been changed to a pharmacy grade VG and seemed to run a bit more out of the atomizer creating a bit of a mess. I am now about to order some more liquid and have been researching and the TV concept of buying a high level of PC by the ounce and mixing with doublers seemed to make alot of financial sense. Lot´s of liquid for a great price. So now where do I buy my juice? I would give my left nut for more of that thick and vapory Vaporbomb blueberry juice. I´m worried I will get more runny juice if I do though. If I buy TV, will I get chest pains? Will I get a bunch of runny juice too? Help!!! I need to restock soon!

Well, let me start by saying that I have been vaping TV juices for 6 months also. I have received 17 orders at the cost of $800.00 in that time period. I have never ever been dissatisfied with any of my juices. Yes, I have bought flavors that I was not fond of, but I had absolutely no problem trading any of them.

 

[AngusATAT]

Well, take ECF as a fine example. Are they responsible for what any forum vendor on here does? No, of course not. Nor does any human being in their right mine expect ECF to fix the issue out of their own pockets. But when they learn of a vendor who has done something seriously wrong they look into it and work on a fix. Why do they do that? Because a supplier on here reflects back on the management team of ECF; not directly (as in ECF has no direct control) but indirectly since that vendor is a 'forum supplier.' ECF wants to protect their name and reputation.

Actually, we do so to protect our members. We don't really give a thought about how it makes us look, as people will form their own opinions about us.

The problem with juice co-ops is... anyone can do them, and with pretty much any vendor. There really is no way for Geoff to control what happens once he puts the package in the mail. These co-ops are, and always will be an "at your own risk" activity. You're trusting someone other than the vendor with something you are going to be putting in your body. Now, I trust that Tasty Vapor is going to be mixing any juice I order in a clean, professional manner. Do I trust some unknown person I only know from an online forum to do the same in their kitchen or living room? Not so much. Now, if the co-ops were for full, unopened bottles of juice, I'd be much more at ease with participating. Of course, this is my personal opinion.

 

[blackwalk]

Well, you completely missed my point or chose to ignore it. I do not expect you to take heat for it nor do I expect you to take any financial responsibility to fix what was done (unless obviously the fault was something you did).

But as a professional I thought you would be interested that somebody may have damaged your product. I know if it was my business I would want to get some answers and then be able to reassure my customers. Also, I would want to put steps in place to make sure someone doesn't harm my product again.

I read your post and I get 'I did my part, it went out my door, I don't care what happened after that point.'

Well, take ECF as a fine example. Are they responsible for what any forum vendor on here does? No, of course not. Nor does any human being in their right mine expect ECF to fix the issue out of their own pockets. But when they learn of a vendor who has done something seriously wrong they look into it and work on a fix. Why do they do that? Because a supplier on here reflects back on the management team of ECF; not directly (as in ECF has no direct control) but indirectly since that vendor is a 'forum supplier.' ECF wants to protect their name and reputation.

Likewise you have no direct control on what a co-op leader is going to do to your juices. But indirectly, when they mess with your juices it does reflect back on you. You can choose to be proactive and protect your name and customers or you can shrug your shoulders and just say there is nothing I can do. ECF does the former and it seems you have chosen the later.

Of course TV is yours to run how you want. I thought I would create an opening for you to address a situation that happened and sullied your name.

Time is money, especially in a small business, so addressing these issues is taking a financial hit. The real danger to getting involved is the slippery slope problem.

Okay, I've sold juice to person x, they rebottled and sold. Is the vendor still on the hook? Well, the receipient of the coop juices samples the flavors and then forwards them on to someone else and now they are cross-contaminated. Is the vendor still on the hook? Should the vendor spend his valuable time tracing the lineage of the juice to try and figure out where the problem occured?

If a coop is formed on a different forum (outside of ECF) and there are issues, should he be responsible for those as well? Even though he didn't know a coop was being formed? From a business standpoint, getting involved does not payoff in any way.

Personally, I would simply look at the responses of the participants of the coop in question. They are overwhelmingly positive. That's not to say there weren't some issues, but it did not appear that the problem was consistent.

 

[blackwalk]

On a side note, I am NOT blaming Geoff for what the co-op leaders might or might not have done. I do think on his end he could have done more AFTER the fact to 1)reassure his customers and 2) try to put in steps to prevent it from happening again.

I think the overall positive response was reassuring to customers. I researched the previous co-ops before I got into one last month. I did see some complaints, but not many. IIRC, there were 2-3 people with issues vs 10-15 with very positive comments.

Did anyone actually survey all of the participants? IIRC, all of the names were listed on the co-op thread. How many actually had problems and what were they?

 

[FreeFlow]

Please tell me your intelligence wouldn't really make such a stupid leap of logic and that you are just posting this to be some sort of troll.

k, look, a co-op is EXACTLY like selling something in the classifieds. I don't see why Geoff should have any kind of responsibility. If TV was running the co-op and mixing it all up for everyone then sure. But he's just filling a single order.