FDA TVECA post table of contents for Deeming Final Rule

[Kent C]

And sorry to all for the 'diversion' with Zoidman. For me - and this is more me than Zoidman, conversations with him is like speaking to someone in a Foreign language - much is 'lost in translation'. I suspect, for some, the same goes for me. My intent is always to be as clear as possible. I don't always achieve that.

That said, as many others have stated or implied, this is a political discussion - it's what has driven the deeming and the opposition to it. The first action in solving problems is to identify the problem. If one doesn't do that, you'll never solve it. But gov't is force - so even if you are exact on identifying the problem, the power to coerce wins over reason and consent, until you get enough in numbers to change that.

 

[Kent C]

Malaysia just handed vaping over to pharma.

Wonder if they handed cigarettes over to pharma? It would follow.... guessing they haven't.

 

[haleysdadda]

And sorry to all for the 'diversion' with Zoidman. For me - and this is more me than Zoidman, conversations with him is like speaking to someone in a Foreign language - much is 'lost in translation'. I suspect, for some, the same goes for me. My intent is always to be as clear as possible. I don't always achieve that.

That said, as many others have stated or implied, this is a political discussion - it's what has driven the deeming and the opposition to it. The first action in solving problems is to identify the problem. If one doesn't do that, you'll never solve it. But gov't is force - so even if you are exact on identifying the problem, the power to coerce wins over reason and consent, until you get enough in numbers to change that.

I finally couldn't take it anymore!HUH? I've been really trying to understand you & @zoiDman thru this whole thread. I have failed miserably! You two are too existentialistic for me. Could you please make your posts more plain old country folk friendly? I really believe I would appreciate your posts if I understood them. Only a High School gradiate here! LOL!

 

[zoiDman]

And sorry to all for the 'diversion' with Zoidman. For me - and this is more me than Zoidman, conversations with him is like speaking to someone in a Foreign language - much is 'lost in translation'. I suspect, for some, the same goes for me. My intent is always to be as clear as possible. I don't always achieve that.

That said, as many others have stated or implied, this is a political discussion - it's what has driven the deeming and the opposition to it. The first action in solving problems is to identify the problem. If one doesn't do that, you'll never solve it. But gov't is force - so even if you are exact on identifying the problem, the power to coerce wins over reason and consent, until you get enough in numbers to change that.

Are you still trying to make This all about Your Political Views?

 

[Kent C]

Are you still trying to make This all about Your Political Views?

No. Not 'mine' - just that it is political. Pretty generic explanation of the situation, but if you want to continue the attack you're on your own.

 

[zoiDman]

No. Not 'mine' - just that it is political. Pretty generic explanation of the situation, but if you want to continue the attack you're on your own.

No Attack Kent. Just asking a Question.

Not Sure how Turning this (every) Thread into a Political Debate, or Dividing Vapers based on Beliefs, is going to Help Us in Fighting against Unreasonable Regulations? But I'm sure you are going to Tell Us.

 

[Kent C]

No Attack Kent. Just asking a Question.

I answered your question - No.

 

[SeniorBoy]

Please excuse the on topic post!!!!

lol
sar
joke

IF you think Hamburg was conflicted or Zeller is conflicted, I've got a surprise for some of YOU! Meet Dr. Robert Califf!! THE most conflicted senior executive at the FDA. Bought and paid for 100000000000000000000000 times over by BP.

His confirmation hearing occurs next week. POTUS nominated him as the next Commissioner of the FDA. We have an opportunity to voice our objections to this nomination and I hope and pray we do. Please!

One quote from his fan club: "In October, the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, the largest global AIDS organization, called upon the president to pull Califf’s nomination after charging the heart doctor with “pimping for the pharmaceutical industry’s efforts to avoid regulation.”

Source

EDIT:

Hearing @ Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee
Members @ Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee

 

[Stubby]

No. Not 'mine' - just that it is political. Pretty generic explanation of the situation, but if you want to continue the attack you're on your own.

I essentially stopped coming to advocacy threads because I know all I am going to read are your endless libertarian rants. You really have come unglued on this. It does nothing to help and can only hurt advocacy by turning this into nothing more then a spring board for your political views. It would be a safe bet that others are also turned off by your fanaticism as there have been numerous other complaints.

I have said this before to you, but will repeat it. I have been around a long time and it's a good bet that no one knows my political leanings. I have political views, I just find it completely unnecessary to push them on to other people as I know it would do nothing to help the cause. It just creates unnecessary devision and conflict. Nothing good can come out of your rants.

 

[Kent C]

Meet Dr. Robert Califf!! THE most conflicted senior executive at the FDA.

Please excuse the on topic post!!!!

lol
sar
joke


TVECA post table of contents for Deeming Final Rule

 

[haleysdadda]

Please excuse the on topic post!!!!

lol
sar
joke

IF you think Hamburg was conflicted or Zeller is conflicted, I've got a surprise for some of YOU! Meet Dr. Robert Califf!! THE most conflicted senior executive at the FDA. Bought and paid for 100000000000000000000000 times over by BP.

His confirmation hearing occurs next week. POTUS nominated him as the next Commissioner of the FDA. We have an opportunity to voice our objections to this nomination and I hope and pray we do. Please!

One quote from his fan club: "In October, the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, the largest global AIDS organization, called upon the president to pull Califf’s nomination after charging the heart doctor with “pimping for the pharmaceutical industry’s efforts to avoid regulation.”

Source

Thank you for getting back on topic! Is there a moderator that can remove @Kent C & @zoiDman from this thread? Enough guys!

 

[2coils]

Unfortunately.....It is a political issue. Big government knows what is best for us with all of their top down regulation of everything. We all know about Big Business, Big Pharma, lobbyists, Non Profits, special interest groups etc...It is about EVERYTHING EXCEPT OUR HEALTH. I have never been so bitter. The population as a whole trust FDA, CDC, Tobacco Free Kids, ACS....list goes on and on.
A change in leadership is mandatory at this point.

Government has taken over in a big way!

 

[bigdancehawk]

"Finalizing this rule cannot wait until 2016."

What I find somewhat Comical about statement like this is "Why does it have to be Done by the End of 2015?". Seems like the Importance would be placed on Doing a review Right. Not on doing a review Fast.

It has to be done to protect the cheeeldrin.

 

[navigator2011]

Is there a moderator that can remove @Kent C & @zoiDman from this thread? Enough guys!

Oh, don't say that--let's not stifle free speech and an open sharing of diverse ideas. Just because some may not like what they hear doesn't mean there isn't value in what's being said.

 

[haleysdadda]

Oh, don't say that--let's not stifle free speech and an open sharing of diverse ideas. Just because some may not like what they hear doesn't mean there isn't value in what's being said.

It's not about liking what I hear it's about trying to understand it! All I can really see is two children bickering!

 

[zoiDman]

Thank you for getting back on topic! Is there a moderator that can remove @Kent C & @zoiDman from this thread? Enough guys!

Use the "Report Post" in the Lower Left Hand Corner of a Post if you consider something to Not Be Appropriate.

I thought that everything was Settled yesterday. And there was No Need for Any Further Back-n-Forth. But it seems that Someone wanted to Bring things Up Again by making Post #1181.

 

[navigator2011]

It's not about liking what I hear it's about trying to understand it! All I can really see is two children bickering!

Ah, but there is hidden knowledge and meaning within the bickering.

 

[zoiDman]

...

A change in leadership is mandatory at this point.

Government has taken over in a big way!

I agree. And there will be a Change in Leadership.

But Unfortunately, that (or any) change will Not Happen until After Deeming is Finalized. So we are kinda Stuck with the Political Players we have Now for the Deeming Process.

 

[navigator2011]

Use the "Report Post" in the Lower Left Hand Corner of a Post if you consider something to Not Be Appropriate.

No ... don't click the button ... we don't need our speech governed ...

 

[haleysdadda]

It's not about liking what I hear it's about trying to understand it! All I can really see is two children bickering!

I thought that everything was Settled yesterday. And there was No Need for Any Further Back-n-Forth. But it seems that Someone wanted to Bring things Up Again by making Post #1181.

@navigator2011 And my point gets proven!