It sounds to me like the rules will nip that right in the bud.
And right quick, if the FDA should decide to go after them for doing so.
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And right quick, if the FDA should decide to go after them for doing so.
The Best thing to do is to Start a Thread in the DIY Sub-Forum and explain that you are New. You will receive Tons of Help/Advice.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/forums/diy-e-liquid.38/
Else this thread will become Clogged up with DIY Recommendations and Suggestions.
I think also thay we need a battle cry, bumperstickers, t-shirts, mabey flags, something about vaping saved my life.
How many lives vaping can save, ect.
Thanks to all the vaping community, YOU have saved my life!
How many lives vaping can save, ect.
Thanks to all the vaping community, YOU have saved my life!
Unfortunately, I believe you are Correct DC.
And this Topic is what prompted me to Post this Earlier in this Thread.
All of the materials that DIYers use are not going to suddenly be regulated like crystal .... components. Suggesting so is sensationalism. For starters, DIYers (people who make their own juice, their own mods, and rebuild their own atomizers) represent such a small percentage of users that it wouldn't even be worth their time to do so.
Its no secret one of the driving forces behind state law makers all out war on vaping is the loss of tax revenue. Tobacco taxes are a massive money maker for federal and state government, generating billions a year.
The federal government alone collects over $15 billion a year from tobacco taxes. In fiscal 2015 it is estimated state governments will collect a combined $25 billion annually from tobacco excise taxes. Some states in particlar have sky high taxes attached to cigarette purchases, in New York state the tax alone for a pack of cigarettes is $4.35. Ironically with the $25 billion collected by states, they will only spend a combined $490 million on smoking prevention and cessation programs. Which as noted $70 million of which will be allocated towards the ridiculous anti vaping propaganda that has arisen this year.
Although tobacco is a major money maker for the government, the resulting health care cost of smoking is exponentially greater. Smoking related illnesses account for $170 billion a year in health care costs. Over $80 Billion of which is paid for by our medicare and medicaid system, along with an additional $23 Billion a year spent by the VA fund.
To put that in context, the average median price for a pack of cigarettes is $6.35 but the total health care cost per pack sold is $35.
According to a new study by Scott J. Moody a leading contributor for State Budget Solutions, Vaping could potentially save our medicaid system billions a year. Using data from 2012, Moody`s researchconcluded “ The potential savings of e-cig adoption, and the resulting tobacco smoking cessation and harm reduction, could have been up to $48 billion in 2012. This savings is 87% higher than all state cigarette tax collections and tobacco settlement collections ($24.4 billion) collection in that same year.”
Law makers continue to cite the rise of vaping among underage children the real reason they have set the vape industry in their cross hairs. Yet as we have pointed out, the data also shows underage smoking rates to be in single digits for the first time in a generation and continuing to decline.
The healthcare savings greatly exceeds the tax revenue lost, not to mention the number of lives which would be saved.Along with siphoning off the $70 billion a year in cigarette profits from big tobacco into the hands of vape industry entrepreneurs who are creating jobs.
Is it any wonder that Big Tobacco and the health care industry both would oppose something so simple and beneficial as Vaping.
Vaping saved my life and it could save the lives of millions more
The federal government alone collects over $15 billion a year from tobacco taxes. In fiscal 2015 it is estimated state governments will collect a combined $25 billion annually from tobacco excise taxes. Some states in particlar have sky high taxes attached to cigarette purchases, in New York state the tax alone for a pack of cigarettes is $4.35. Ironically with the $25 billion collected by states, they will only spend a combined $490 million on smoking prevention and cessation programs. Which as noted $70 million of which will be allocated towards the ridiculous anti vaping propaganda that has arisen this year.
Although tobacco is a major money maker for the government, the resulting health care cost of smoking is exponentially greater. Smoking related illnesses account for $170 billion a year in health care costs. Over $80 Billion of which is paid for by our medicare and medicaid system, along with an additional $23 Billion a year spent by the VA fund.
To put that in context, the average median price for a pack of cigarettes is $6.35 but the total health care cost per pack sold is $35.
According to a new study by Scott J. Moody a leading contributor for State Budget Solutions, Vaping could potentially save our medicaid system billions a year. Using data from 2012, Moody`s researchconcluded “ The potential savings of e-cig adoption, and the resulting tobacco smoking cessation and harm reduction, could have been up to $48 billion in 2012. This savings is 87% higher than all state cigarette tax collections and tobacco settlement collections ($24.4 billion) collection in that same year.”
Law makers continue to cite the rise of vaping among underage children the real reason they have set the vape industry in their cross hairs. Yet as we have pointed out, the data also shows underage smoking rates to be in single digits for the first time in a generation and continuing to decline.
The healthcare savings greatly exceeds the tax revenue lost, not to mention the number of lives which would be saved.Along with siphoning off the $70 billion a year in cigarette profits from big tobacco into the hands of vape industry entrepreneurs who are creating jobs.
Is it any wonder that Big Tobacco and the health care industry both would oppose something so simple and beneficial as Vaping.
Vaping saved my life and it could save the lives of millions more
The Gathering on the White House lawn is looking more and more like reality. Looking forward to meeting most of you!
Guys...I am not a US citizen and I don't live in the US..I am Egyptian and I have to say that this upcoming legislation will not only affect you guys in the US but also our lives here in Egypt. The minute the US adopts a legislation that restricts or limits vaping in any way it will inspire similar and probably more stupid regulations in other countries around the world. In case you don't know, there are dozens of countries, my own included, that blindly copy FDA regulations. In our case it will be much worse for several reasons. First we don't live in a democracy by any chance and we have very limited opportunities to discuss regulations and legislation. Second, cigarettes are much cheaper in Egypt and other developing countries than they are in the US. A pack of Marlboros costs $3 in Egypt, including taxes(low production costs, low labor costs,..etc.), and local brands cost much less, with the result that Egypt has one of the highest prevalence rates of smoking worldwide. Still cigarettes are the goose that lays golden eggs for our bureaucrats since cigarettes can be taxed ad infinitum. Egyptian vapers have been told very bluntly that our Ministry of Health will never allow vaping products inside the country because they cause a threat to "sovereign revenues". That's why we end up smuggling vaping products, juices, even e-juice DIY ingredients and paying 3 or 4 times the prices you guys pay in the US.
For me and for thousands other than me vaping has been and still is a life savior...LITERALLY. I've been having severe problems with my coronary arteries since I was 30..(I started smoking at 15) and now I'm 48 with 8 stents scattered throughout my arteries. It was my cardiologist who actually encouraged me to try vaping nearly two years ago..and thanks to vaping I am in a much better shape. Actually, I can't remember being healthier. He (my cardiologist) even asked me for suggestions on vaping gear that he can recommend to his patients and relatives or things that he can pick up for his friends during his next visit to the US (he is a prominent member of the American Heart Association).
I apologize for the lengthy message..but I needed to tell you that this will not just affect you guys..it will affect the lives of many more people around the globe. Once this piece of legislation or regulation is passed it will be very difficult to reverse..and ignorance and stupidity are contagious! So if there is anything I can do or a way I can contribute to your/our cause please let me know.
For me and for thousands other than me vaping has been and still is a life savior...LITERALLY. I've been having severe problems with my coronary arteries since I was 30..(I started smoking at 15) and now I'm 48 with 8 stents scattered throughout my arteries. It was my cardiologist who actually encouraged me to try vaping nearly two years ago..and thanks to vaping I am in a much better shape. Actually, I can't remember being healthier. He (my cardiologist) even asked me for suggestions on vaping gear that he can recommend to his patients and relatives or things that he can pick up for his friends during his next visit to the US (he is a prominent member of the American Heart Association).
I apologize for the lengthy message..but I needed to tell you that this will not just affect you guys..it will affect the lives of many more people around the globe. Once this piece of legislation or regulation is passed it will be very difficult to reverse..and ignorance and stupidity are contagious! So if there is anything I can do or a way I can contribute to your/our cause please let me know.
Whereas the Implications to things like Standard Batteries Cells, Metal Alloy Wire, and Cotton Pads/Balls is not much in Question.
The Ramifications to e-Liquids that contain Nicotine and to Nicotine Base is something that people should be paying the Upmost Attention to.
Just think of the time and money they've spent so far on this crap. I'm pretty sure they're serious.
It sounds worse. The FDA is out of control and only Congress can stop it now.
Yes! I did and hope everyone else has or will as well. Thanks for getting the word out!Everyone who's reading this thread - make sure you go to the casaa Call to Action
Not sure how may folks heard of this, I was kind of surprised. Tobacco free nicotine e-juice.
I'm sure they will put language in the bill to cover this too.....
I'm sure they will put language in the bill to cover this too.....
I think vaping debate should become a major topic for 2016 presidential election!
Total number of smoker in the U.S. 45 million
Total number of e-cigarette smokers 2.5 million
Percent of U.S. adults who have tried e-cigarettes 6.7 %
I am not even sure if these numbers are accurate... Can you imagine how far such debate can go?
Total number of smoker in the U.S. 45 million
Total number of e-cigarette smokers 2.5 million
Percent of U.S. adults who have tried e-cigarettes 6.7 %
I am not even sure if these numbers are accurate... Can you imagine how far such debate can go?
Yes, the "other stuff" is becoming legal in some states, but it is being highly regulated, controlled by the government, and taxed. When you have a closet socialist in the white house what can you expect but the government to control every aspect of our lives. They tell us what we can eat, what we can drink, what we can smoke, what firearms we can own and how those firearms can and cannot operate. Now they are stinking their finger in the vaping pie. Anything that they believe they can profit off of they will try to regulate.
I agree. I would imagine that, logically, e-liquid would be at the very top of their list of priorities because that is what the consumers are actually addicted to. It also happens to be the easiest item to control. But I have seen a few posts here where people are asking if the materials you just listed will also be heavily controlled, and a few responders have told them, with authority and certainty, that they probably will. Now I'm all for the cause at hand here, but throwing senseless sensationalism and paranoia into the mix doesn't serve to help our cause. Also, I think the hobbyist vapers here on ECF tend to forget that we represent a minority of vapers. In all likelihood, we are just a blip on the FDA's radar. They don't know this technology like we do. By not understanding this industry, they could only hope to try and then fail to stop us. It's the folks who are just starting, or would have switched over in the future, who are really at immediate risk here. But in my estimation, they will never be able to close all of the back doors that we will find to keep doing this how we do it.
I love Nude Nicotine--their nic bases are of exceptional quality and clarity, and they offer them specially bottled for long-term storage (with argon gas).
http://www.nudenicotine.com/product/nude-armor-100mgml-nicotine-base-extended-shelf-life/
Before you order a big bottle, I suggest you request a 15 ml free sample--you just pay 2 bucks for shipping.
http://www.nudenicotine.com/nicotine-sample-request/
If you want to DIY, visit our DIY forum for more information; read the stickies about safety and different flavorings and recipes. There's nothing wrong with vaping unflavored, BTW--I like it myself, once in awhile, when I get tired of even my favorite flavors.
Good luck.
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