Going to have to catch up later but Nude Nic doesn't use argon gas anymore. They use a pierceable cap, no gas.
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Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see this as the end of vaping as we know it like some people claim it to be. It could change the game for sure as it may force some smaller companies to go under and I can imagine the cost of compliance will be passed on to us, but nothing I read makes me believe that Walgreens will have to start locking up organic cotton with the cold medicine and the police will have kanthal sniffing dogs.
I'm more concerned about what is going on at the state level. My "representatives' at the state capitol are working overtime to get this stuff classified as tobacco products so they can hit us with the tobacco tax and a$20 bottle of juice will cost $30.
Have you read the FULL European Directive and EU guidelines?
What's already happening now in some places and WILL happen next year ( May 2016 deadline for minimum enforcement of EU directives for EU countries) in a lot more places and what MAY happen afterwards in the near future is pretty nasty and completely ON PARR with the proposed US regulations!
The EU guidelines mention the obligation for all devices to give a constant EQUAL output (no more VW or VV) all MODS are likely to be banned.Atomizers would have to insure that each "puff" distributed an equal amount of nicotine and of every ingredient contained in the eliquid(impossible or nearly so,I would guess ?).
As in the US proposal, all "new equipment" and eliquids would have to request authorization to be commercialized at least 6 months beforehand, at each minor change a new authorization must be requested= the documentation required would include tons of administrative paperwork & extensive lab studies that would make the whole procedure way too costly for small & medium level companies...
eliquid will be limited to 10ml bottles and not more than 20mg nicotine .
Clearomizers= not more that 2ml and must be sealed and unleakable which will outlaw 99% of all clearos presently on the market...
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The US proposals are not very different from the FULL EU Guidelines!
The rules that will go into effect next May in the EU are only the FIRST step ,with certain MINIMUM obligations but each EU country is free to go BEYOND those MINIMUM guidelines if they so choose.... .
Apart from Forum-readers,most vapers here in France arent even AWARE of all this and dont even suspect what is going to come down on them next May (at the latest).
Theyre still at the level= "oh no...this is a free country...THEY cant stop me from vaping...ha-ha how ridiculous...that could NEVER happen!" (SURPRIZE ! it's already voted and going into effect in six months!)
France has a considerable amount of vapers and vape- related businesses, and yet when it was still possible to DO SOMETHING( like signing the petition AGAINST these EU Directives...which would have been aborted had a predetermined % of EU residents signed !) unfortunately VERY FEW DID!
NONE of the vape stores even bothered to mention it to their customers!
And yet, as an example,on the Paris street where I live there are... 11 B&M vape shops, all opened within the last 2-3 years, there are also 4 pharmacies, 4 bakeries, 3 butchers, 2 newsagents...)
There are at present over 2000 vape companies in FR .
Once the EU directive is implemented studies estimate that that number will be reduced to only TEN major companies who will have the financial clout to stay in business.
Now it's no longer possible to fight the EU Directive (TPD) that will go into effect next May (the "first step".... with a set of minimum requirements).
I urge anyone who lives in a country where the regulations are still at proposal-level to FIGHT IT WHILE THEY CAN (US, GB? others...
Dont say it CANT happen...its ALREADY happening here in Europe!Even in Europe/EU we can still fight to stop it from getting even WORSE (and to perhaps limit actual enforcement once certain regs are established)
PLEASE,everyone, dont think it CANT happen!
Even things most people consider "safe" are not necessarily so .....For ex,in GB a major drug store/chain who sells large 1L bottles of VG has purposely added ingredients that have rendered it "unvape-able" but that should not disturb "regular" customers. (adding lemon or lavender "perfumes" is one of their ways...)
Great. Oh well, I look forward to all the mech mod build plans and juice recipes involving nicorette lozenges and McCormick extracts!
Here you go. Been there done that.
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I liked the Altoid box mods:
Going to have to catch up later but Nude Nic doesn't use argon gas anymore. They use a pierceable cap, no gas.
Really? I didn't know that...
From their website:
"We use 99.9% pure medical-grade Argon gas to displace all oxygen within the bottle before sealing."
I have 2l of the armor in 36mg in my man cave mini fridge freezer. Probably going to add 2l more. 1l was 84 bucks total so really not bad in my opinion. I went with the 36 for safetys sake. As it is i think that using 5ml of 6mg a day i have 6.5 years worth. (36/6 = 6. 6 x 2000 (how much the base can be diluted to get desired 6mg) = 12000ml. 12000 / 5 = 2400 days or 6.5 years) i include this math since i'm only beginning to research diy liquid, so a sanity check if you will.
I did not try it first, i will use some kind of flavouring and trusted the overall good reviews they had and liked it was well set up for long term storage.
I feel bad for other apartment/flat dwellers who don't have space in freezer or garage to put one. I just am fortunate i had space in the second bedroom.
Of course if there is a real major calamity of some kind i will be screwed but there's only so much i can do.
I have some backup mods and such too, though i am not going to get a safe or anything.
The whole thing is just so so arrrgggggg.
LOL, that's awesome! Now we just need a name for moonshine juice!Here you go. Been there done that.
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I liked the Altoid box mods:
Are you looking at the v1? On mine it says, at the end:
When shipped, no argon will be necessary to purge the empty volume inside the bottle as a vacuum system in the laboratory will remove all atmospheric content (vacuum) prior to shipment...
I did miss the part about the vacuum seal when I looked two days ago.
http://www.nudenicotine.com/product/nude-armor-v2-nicotine-base-extended-shelf-life/
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Katya, I been stocking up from NN too....good stuff, like you said, unflavored is actually good...!
Good to see so many positive opinions. I just didn't want to go through and sample a bunch of bases, which may be very lazy but there you go lol.
Just to complete the scenery, here in Spain we're trying to counteract a draft of regulation which, over all the facts correctly stated by cllmda, it dares to ban all publicity-related activities of vaping. In a surprising and disturbing twist, Spanish regulators have proposed to ban public meetings and hangouts of vapers, any kind of publicity and marketing related to vaping in any media, and any kind of defence of vaping (as it were a criminal offense), effectively going far beyond today and future regulations for tobacco. It carries us back in time to darker times of dictatorial regimes. All for the allegedly sake of public health, as if they were fully convinced that vaping is far worse than smoking.
We've been astonished by this, specially as it is running up in parallel with recent news about British and French proposals to alleviate the expected punishment over vaping industry which comes from the EU directives, as they are starting to consider vaping a valid smoking-cessation strategy and are likely bound to prescribe e-cigs to heavy-tainted smokers who cannot get out of the tobacco by any other means.
It is happening, and it has several shades according to the level of protection of each ruler over the tobacco industry, or, if you like to say so, the pressure applied by lobbies here and there, Big Tobacco and Health Industry related. It's like they have surmised that the last train to stop the vaping industry and the constant leak of smokers to vaping is now, and they are rising the stakes at their maximum. Because of that, every regulatory proposal has some minimal grounds which effectively kill the vaping industry and leaves us, the vapers, with a grim future, and smokers with one even darker.
Because of the last paragraph stated, it is also some criminal attack over 'we, the people', in whichever country it is happening. It's a global dilemma, in the short time, comparable to the global warming as it renders a heavy death toll if we (as active vapers today) and the civil society (as the ultimate interested in avoid that toll) do not do anything, exactly as the global warming could do in the next decades.
But, for reasons I cannot fully understand, we've got very little media impact, and even in our ranks we are not able to move them..... Recent WHO statements about processed meats do have it though....Not so old biased and gutter press releases had it.......
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For me vaping is one of the best surprise gifts I have ever received. When i started I thought it would just be 6 months and a okay way to quit the camels. i had no idea that I would end up enjoying it far more than I ever enjoyed smoking. There's no practical way I can accumulate supplies for the rest of my life over the next year. But if I can have a really enjoyable few years / decade of saying goodbye to smoking then I'll be happy.
The fact that regulation will likely make it unpractical at some point, and deny the same experience to current smokers is really sad to me.
Sigh. Not trying to sound all doom and gloom, but it does seem like short of a miracle of the legal kind, this may be the beginning if the end of the best period of vaping. Hopefully, I will be very wrong.
The fact that regulation will likely make it unpractical at some point, and deny the same experience to current smokers is really sad to me.
Sigh. Not trying to sound all doom and gloom, but it does seem like short of a miracle of the legal kind, this may be the beginning if the end of the best period of vaping. Hopefully, I will be very wrong.
There should have been a trade association a long time ago. Manufacturers and businesses who we spend our hard earned money with could have had this handled already. But no.....we always hear "Im here to help the community" its utter bull balls.
Its too late now. I blame all the major US based manufacturers of hardware and juice for this blow we will take. It was their fight, not the consumers. A small percentage of us will continue forward as we did before China got involved and flooded the market with gear. The rest unfortunately will return to smoking, and the "new vaper" will be a lost memory in a short time.
I for one am very disappointed for supporting unprofessional and immoral manufacturers like I did.
Its too late now. I blame all the major US based manufacturers of hardware and juice for this blow we will take. It was their fight, not the consumers. A small percentage of us will continue forward as we did before China got involved and flooded the market with gear. The rest unfortunately will return to smoking, and the "new vaper" will be a lost memory in a short time.
I for one am very disappointed for supporting unprofessional and immoral manufacturers like I did.
This from another post and another FDA 'resource' which explains how the agency can do anything wrt a regulated product. Doesn't matter what the manufacture/vendor says what it's use is for, how it's promoted, what the label says, iow even an attempt to sell something like no-nic eliquid or flavoring.... but the FDA can take into account any circumstances surrounding the distribution of the product - circumstantial evidence, hearsay, overheard comments or observed use.
In determining a product’s intended use, the Agency may look to “any . . . relevant
source,” including but not limited to the product’s labeling, promotional claims, and advertising
(see, e.g., Action on Smoking and Health v. Harris, 655 F.2d 236, 239 (D.C. Cir. 1980); United
States v. Storage Spaces Designated Nos. “8” and “49,” 777 F.2d 1363, 1366 (9th Cir. 1985),
Hanson v. United States, 417 F. Supp. 30, 35 (D. Minn.), aff’d, 540 F.2d 947 (8th Cir. 1976)).
For example, FDA may take into account any claim or statement made by or on behalf of a
manufacturer that explicitly or implicitly promotes a product for a particular use (see, e.g.,
§ 201.128 (drugs), § 801.4 (devices)).
This:
“any . . . relevant source,” including but not limited to the product’s labeling, promotional claims, and advertising"
And:
"To establish a product’s intended use, FDA is not bound by the manufacturer or
distributor’s subjective claims of intent, but rather can consider objective evidence, which may
include a variety of direct and circumstantial evidence. Thus, FDA may also take into account
any circumstances surrounding the distribution of the product or the context in which it is sold
(see id.; see also U.S. v. Travia, 180 F.Supp.2d 115, 119 (D.D.C. 2001))."
In determining a product’s intended use, the Agency may look to “any . . . relevant
source,” including but not limited to the product’s labeling, promotional claims, and advertising
(see, e.g., Action on Smoking and Health v. Harris, 655 F.2d 236, 239 (D.C. Cir. 1980); United
States v. Storage Spaces Designated Nos. “8” and “49,” 777 F.2d 1363, 1366 (9th Cir. 1985),
Hanson v. United States, 417 F. Supp. 30, 35 (D. Minn.), aff’d, 540 F.2d 947 (8th Cir. 1976)).
For example, FDA may take into account any claim or statement made by or on behalf of a
manufacturer that explicitly or implicitly promotes a product for a particular use (see, e.g.,
§ 201.128 (drugs), § 801.4 (devices)).
This:
“any . . . relevant source,” including but not limited to the product’s labeling, promotional claims, and advertising"
And:
"To establish a product’s intended use, FDA is not bound by the manufacturer or
distributor’s subjective claims of intent, but rather can consider objective evidence, which may
include a variety of direct and circumstantial evidence. Thus, FDA may also take into account
any circumstances surrounding the distribution of the product or the context in which it is sold
(see id.; see also U.S. v. Travia, 180 F.Supp.2d 115, 119 (D.D.C. 2001))."
Well today I have been an ex smoker for one year. In 3 days I will hit my one year vapersary. This is very bad news, and I am not a happy camper right now. The micro managing scum bags don't give a flip about what you say. They have an agenda, and it is plain to see. Yes, do what you can. If this goes down, at least you can say you tried to make a difference. I haven't had one cigarette in a whole year. Vaping kept me from smoking. Now they want to take it all away. I've written so many letters to these people. I will do another. But they really need to get off their power trip box. It is very old and tiresome. Let me live my life as I see fit, and leave me alone. You can bet I have been off of cigarettes long enough now, that Big Tobacco can kiss it. They won't get one red cent from me.
The Items that I Listed are Not going anywhere. The FDA is Not going to be Regulating 18650 Batteries or Cotton Balls if they are Not Marketed to be used Specifically for an e-Cigarette.
But Do Not Fool Yourself when it comes to the FDA Not Knowing what is going on.
The FDA reads this Forum more than Most Vaper's do. And is Very Knowledgeable as to what is Posted here and the Industry in General.
I Don't Know where people starting getting the Concept that the FDA's goal is to Restrict Cotton Balls or Kanthal Sales came from? And It is Divergent from what should be on People's minds.
The FDA is Going to Regulate How and what Can be Marketed as an e-Cigarette or an e-Cigarette Component. And the FDA is going to Regulate the Sale and Distribution of Nicotine.
I can't wait to see what they do when they find out we can make a suitable wick from the dryer lint off of Egyptian cotton sheets 
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