TWO Years into Vapping AND.....
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The difference between the two is one will lead to a slow misserable death where you die gasping for air and end up on a machine breathing for you. I watched my father die such a death and the last ten years could barely walk to a car. I just spent 14 day and nights in ICU with my brother and my best friend for 70 years, as he was on a machine with a pipe stuck down his throat breathing for him, until he died, all because we loved to smoke. He spent his last few years with an oxygen bottle with him 24 hrs a day and didn't get to do the things he enjoyed like fishing or golfing. I was lucky I was able to quit at different times adding up to 15 years smoke free but started smoking again. I too was diagnosed with COPD and told I had to quit so I thought I would just be able to quit again but this time I couldn't until I started vaping. I have been free of cigarettes for 17 months now and know I will never return to smoking. My lungs have improved 100% and hopefully I can spend my last years better than my dad and brother. Smoking is the worst possible decision you can make for yourself and your family. vaping is 1000 times better than smoking even if you don't enjoy it as much and doing this half and half isn't going to help you much. I hope somebody gets something out of this post because it is a matter of life and a miserable death! We all have to die sometime but a smokers death is about as bad as it gets.
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I still have a nagging feeling that vaping isn't as safe as I hope it is. What I do know is, even if it's 50% better for you than smoking, then I'll stick with it.
I wont smoke a cigarette again, if vaping is banned then I'll use NRT, food, hypnosis, banging my head against a wall, shouting (a lot) but smoking scares me now and I wish I'd never started in the first place.
Sorry this is a bit off topic but I started smoking because I wanted to, It was entirely my fault I was young and stupid and now hopefully age has brought me at least a little bit of wisdom.
If people want to smoke and vape then go for it, I'll not preach, but I now do not smoke and will never smoke again.
I wont smoke a cigarette again, if vaping is banned then I'll use NRT, food, hypnosis, banging my head against a wall, shouting (a lot) but smoking scares me now and I wish I'd never started in the first place.
Sorry this is a bit off topic but I started smoking because I wanted to, It was entirely my fault I was young and stupid and now hopefully age has brought me at least a little bit of wisdom.
If people want to smoke and vape then go for it, I'll not preach, but I now do not smoke and will never smoke again.
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Lol. I liked Damulta from his first video - I don't think I was in the majority at that time. He has his way...
And Freud would have somehow connected vaping to sex. Hell maybe it is all about sex. The eGo-T makes me feel sexy.
Oh.. that comment may come up again. lol Bookmarked
Lol. I liked Damulta from his first video - I don't think I was in the majority
at that time. He has his way... And Freud would have somehow connected vaping to sex. Hell maybe it is all about sex. The eGo-T makes me feel sexy.
Oh.. that comment may come up again. lol Bookmarked
You should really cut the habit man. I'm not saying to just smoke e-cigs, but your heavily addicted to nicotine and need cut down.
It's a terrible thing to be a hardcore vapor and smoker, that's very bad. Pick one and stay with it, the combination defeats the whole purpose of e-cigs right?
It's a terrible thing to be a hardcore vapor and smoker, that's very bad. Pick one and stay with it, the combination defeats the whole purpose of e-cigs right?
I smoked for 36 years, and I'm still amazed that I could stop. My husband used to get really aggravated with me, I couldn't do ANYTHING without lighting a cigarette first. Sorting laundry, putting the dishes away, getting the mail, gardening, holding the ladder for him...I had to grab a smoke first. Vaping is better for ME. I feel better, and if it isn't safe, I really do believe that it was designed to be a SAFER alternative, and physically I do feel better. Product testing is something all vapers would benefit from, but vaping already makes me feel better, so it has to be better than the alternative.
My husband, he still smokes, has no interest at all in vaping. What has really changed for me is that up until I found vaping, whenever I tried to quit and he would light a cigarette, I wanted one...no...I HAD to have one. Now when he lights up a Marlboro Menthol Gold/Light, whatever, I have absolutely no desire to have any part of it. No craving, no desire, just a slight repulsed shudder I have to squelch because I don't want to be one of "those" ex-smokers.
WOW I actually do think of myself as an ex-smoker.
I feel the same way about vaping. Im not sure how safe it is for me and I liked to smoke. I was a 2 pack a day smoker for 30 years until I found these e-cigs 6 weeks ago. I have had a cigarette about every 4 days just because I wanted to know how bad they tasted. My last cig was two days ago. It burned my tounge, tasted kinda like pepper and tasted like the first time I lite one. It was horrible so I know my taste buds and most importantly I have recovered. I have been mixing and matching my juices and I never really know how much nicotine I have in my ego. Until this morning, I made a batch with 0 nic and have smoked it all day. I dont understand it but I have no withdrawal symptoms, no cravings for cigarettes and no strong desire to vape. I'll reward myself tommorow with a little nicotine but I know in my heart that this e-cig will be going away too, probably sooner than I was expecting it to. Good luck to you and everybody else trying to kick the demon in the $%#.
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You should really cut the habit man. I'm not saying to just smoke e-cigs, but your heavily addicted to nicotine and need cut down.
It's a terrible thing to be a hardcore vapor and smoker, that's very bad. Pick one and stay with it, the combination defeats the whole purpose of e-cigs right?
No offense but I am sure the OP like the rest of us don't like to be lectured on how much they smoke/vape.
Of course having a nicotine addiction isn't the best thing for your body - especially when smoking cigarettes to get the nicotine. I would imagine most vapors are highly addicted to nicotine (note that cigarettes have additional ingredients to allow more nicotine in the system) if we weren't highly addicted to it, we'd probably just give it up right? (Nic-Free juice)
To say something like, 'Pick one and stick with because using both defeats the purpose of e-cigs' is grounds for calling the e-cig a smoking cessation product. When in fact, it's not (supposed to be). It's an alternative to smoking. So, if someone like the OP smokes cigarettes sparingly and vapes the e-cig just the same, then he/she isn't defeating any 'purpose' nor are they doing more harm to theirselves had they decided to only smoke cigarettes. I would imagine the amount of nicotine absorbed from vaping is so tiny compared to that of a cigarette, to use both would only make the human body feel as if it were smoking a little more of the cigarette (rather than a complete double dosage of nicotine)
In conclusion - if someone cut their smoking habit from a 2 PAD to a 1/2 PAD and filled the remaining time with vaping, I'd imagine that they're getting significantly less nicotine in their system than before. Then again, I am merely assuming with the limited knowledge I possess.
I'm not trying to lecture anyone, He smokes a PACK a day and vapes 36mg... um...? That's not "sparingly". E cigarettes probably will or are making his addiction worse. The point of e-cigarettes is to have an alternative IMO. There is a difference between 2-3 cigarettes a day and a pack.
And Like I said I wasn't lecturing him, I was saying that he should really cut down. Do you think the OP will stay at one pack a day? Because from what I've experienced, the amount of cigarettes smoked goes up over time.
I'm not saying "omg cigarettes are bad blah blah blah, your going to die", I'm saying that his addiction is pretty steep, and if you can't see that I'm sorry.
There is little improvement by "cutting down" and there is NO improvement starting up again.
Okay, first off let me say I'm sorry. I didn't mean to sound hostile or condenscending. If I did, I appologize again. But really good sir, telling someone they should cut down is sorta lecturing them. Perhaps not on the dangers of cigarette smoking (though you do mention that he's using too much nicotine) but telling someone how much they should or shouldn't smoke/vape is lecturing, I am sorry.
You claim that e-cigs are making his addiction worse but I would disagree. Worse than what, I ask? Nothing will make anyone's addiction to nicotine worse than a cigarette will, period. While I agree that there's a definite difference between a couple cigs and a p.a.d., the point wasn't the amount itself but rather a decrease in the overall use of cigarettes because of the e-cig. OP says that he uses the e-cig at work and sometimes at home, which no doubt replaced the usual cigarette smoking.
I would say that in those times he vapes over smoking, he's getting significantly less nicotine than when he's smoking cigarettes. And I believe that I am right, for numerous reasons. Two of them would be lack of ammonia and levulinic acid in e-juice. Both being substances that reduce the overall pH in nicotine, making it more alkalinic thus easier to pass through the tissue in the lungs and into the bloodsteam - overall allowing more nicotine to reach the brain. Cigarettes have it, ejuice does not - so I would imagine that even if he vaped 5x's as much as smoked (during the time in which he didn't smoke) he'd still be receiving less nicotine than smoking 5x's as less (than vaping).
But, once again, I meant no ill will and I hope I didn't offend you because that surely was not my intentions. I hope for the best for everyone in here, including the OP but I cannot sit here and tell him I think he's using too much nicotine because that is ultimately his choice and unless he's asking for advice on if he should cut back or not, I imagine he doesn't want to hear it.
Just my two cents.
You can say what you want, but I am in no way telling the OP what to do. I gave him/her my opinion, they haven't responded; only you. And it was in no way directed to you. If he/she wants to tell me to piss off I'd like to hear it from him/her. And the only reason I said this was because I was worried about the OP, not to "lecture" them like a child.
You can also say that technically he's/she's doing better, but the "energy" the OP is feeling will soon dwindle and he'll/she'll be back to square one. There will be no improvement if he/she keeps doing this.
I mean seriously... the OP QUIT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF! and he/she started back up again! how can one p.a.d be beneficial? he/she went from 0 to 20. So what if he vapes? Vaping isn't helping, he's/she's still smoking.
I don't know why you can't see that the combination of vaping and smoking is completely useless. What's the point? all you are is making a bad habit worse, an addiction stronger and costing yourself money.
Last time I checked, I could be wrong, but E-cigarretes were used by people who wanted to switch to a better alternative, avoid all the bad stuff from regular cigarettes, save money and respect the health of others around them.
Maybe I've been reading these websites all wrong. Maybe I didn't read the research right; where it says that ton's of people were able to quit.
I just gave my opinion, and for you to sit there and "Defend" him/her from my "lecturing" even though I only meant good is beyond me.
BTW you didn't offend me, you just don't understand me.
You can also say that technically he's/she's doing better, but the "energy" the OP is feeling will soon dwindle and he'll/she'll be back to square one. There will be no improvement if he/she keeps doing this.
I mean seriously... the OP QUIT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF! and he/she started back up again! how can one p.a.d be beneficial? he/she went from 0 to 20. So what if he vapes? Vaping isn't helping, he's/she's still smoking.
I don't know why you can't see that the combination of vaping and smoking is completely useless. What's the point? all you are is making a bad habit worse, an addiction stronger and costing yourself money.
Last time I checked, I could be wrong, but E-cigarretes were used by people who wanted to switch to a better alternative, avoid all the bad stuff from regular cigarettes, save money and respect the health of others around them.
Maybe I've been reading these websites all wrong. Maybe I didn't read the research right; where it says that ton's of people were able to quit.
I just gave my opinion, and for you to sit there and "Defend" him/her from my "lecturing" even though I only meant good is beyond me.
BTW you didn't offend me, you just don't understand me.
Vaping for me, does not completely replace the satisfaction I got from smoking. It took me six weeks, cutting down immediately from 1 1/2 packs a day to 8 a day. It took 45 days to completely quit. And ultimately it took getting a bigger/better battery PV to quit completely a little over 2 years ago, now. If I could smoke with no ill side effects or vape, I would smoke. That being said, I think it does help to have a device that more closely simulates the "inhaled feel" of smoking. I will probably never be able to cut down below 18mg nic strength as I vape both 18 and 24mg strength. I only vape 2-3 flavors because I try to keep it as simple as possible and reduce the hassle level which I think is the downfall for some trying to stay off of analogs. It's also why I paid the bigger $$ for a device that is the most consistent and provides 24 hours on a charge. The ease and consistency of smoking is one of the things I miss.
But I understand the OP's comments. Smoking will always be more satisfying, more consistent and easier. I do miss it sometimes but I will never go back, I know that for sure. I don't think I could face my girls if I did.
But I understand the OP's comments. Smoking will always be more satisfying, more consistent and easier. I do miss it sometimes but I will never go back, I know that for sure. I don't think I could face my girls if I did.
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Look, I understand what you're saying, I really do. Whether or not you believe that I do, fine, no problem. No matter how you look at it, telling someone they should cut down is indeed your opinion but it is a form of lecturing - I don't believe you're doing it to coddle the OP like a child, I never said that. You're misunderstanding me.
Of course if they'd stayed away from cigarettes alltogether it would be ultimately beneficial. But I am not looking at it like that. I am looking at it like this -OP started smoking again- Smokes sometimes vapes sometimes- because of vaping, OP doesn't smoke as much as they would've without vaping- and that my friend, is beneficial. If only a little bit, but of course not nearly as much had they just ceased smoking cigarettes altogether, I do understand. I, like you, was just throwing my opinion in there. I know if it were me and I started smoking again, I really wouldn't want people telling me how much I should vape or smoke. I come here for advice, sure. But I also come here for understanding and I completely understand you intentions were only to help.
The fact that you cannot see that using an electronic cigarette to minimalize smoking cigarettes (even if the minimal is a pack a day - what if instead of using the electronic cigarette, the OP smoked 2 packs a day? Would that be better than smoking one pack a day and vaping? Most likely not.) as being useful (using both at the same time for example), well I should stop trying to convince why it is, you don't see it or want to. And that's okay, as you said, the comment wasn't for me and really isn't my business.
E-Cigarettes are being used by people for all types of reasons. Some to quit smoking (though this isn't its "purpose"), some like my mother and apparently the OP to cut down their normal daily cigarette smoking, and some as a complete alternative altogether. It's not simply used for one thing only, regardless of whatever it's advertised as.
You're right, you weren't talking to me I was merely giving my opinion, which apparently isn't needed so after this post, I'll leave it alone. Once again, though you don't say it's so, I appogize if you're reading a negative vibe off of me. It's hard to express one's self in text and I really am trying to empathize with what you're saying, even if that feeling isn't mutual.
Look, I understand what you're saying, I really do. Whether or not you believe that I do, fine, no problem. No matter how you look at it, telling someone they should cut down is indeed your opinion but it is a form of lecturing - I don't believe you're doing it to coddle the OP like a child, I never said that. You're misunderstanding me.
Of course if they'd stayed away from cigarettes alltogether it would be ultimately beneficial. But I am not looking at it like that. I am looking at it like this -OP started smoking again- Smokes sometimes vapes sometimes- because of vaping, OP doesn't smoke as much as they would've without vaping- and that my friend, is beneficial. If only a little bit, but of course not nearly as much had they just ceased smoking cigarettes altogether, I do understand. I, like you, was just throwing my opinion in there. I know if it were me and I started smoking again, I really wouldn't want people telling me how much I should vape or smoke. I come here for advice, sure. But I also come here for understanding and I completely understand you intentions were only to help.
The fact that you cannot see that using an electronic cigarette to minimalize smoking cigarettes (even if the minimal is a pack a day - what if instead of using the electronic cigarette, the OP smoked 2 packs a day? Would that be better than smoking one pack a day and vaping? Most likely not.) as being useful (using both at the same time for example), well I should stop trying to convince why it is, you don't see it or want to. And that's okay, as you said, the comment wasn't for me and really isn't my business.
E-Cigarettes are being used by people for all types of reasons. Some to quit smoking (though this isn't its "purpose"), some like my mother and apparently the OP to cut down their normal daily cigarette smoking, and some as a complete alternative altogether. It's not simply used for one thing only, regardless of whatever it's advertised as.
You're right, you weren't talking to me I was merely giving my opinion, which apparently isn't needed so after this post, I'll leave it alone. Once again, though you don't say it's so, I appogize if you're reading a negative vibe off of me. It's hard to express one's self in text and I really am trying to empathize with what you're saying, even if that feeling isn't mutual.
what kind of PV do you use? just curious
The variable volt Darwin from Evolve, sold by nhaler.com.
.....What we have here, is a failure to communicate. You are both right in your assumptions and both make very valid points.
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