only from my and fellow vapers experience - even everyday vaping for years is not making you feel like a dying skunk (smoking cigs does for example).
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it's far better than no proof )
do you have at least such proofs on vaping being harmful for your lungs? Like you personally was vaping for 2 years and now you have popcorn lungs
Word of mouth is in no way proof. YOU post proof of scientific research that vaping cannot/will not cause any damage.
But it was you guys who started saying that it's harmful so it's you who need to proof it with a reliable research I guess 
Since neither one of us is a scientist I see no reason to continue down this road.
But it was you guys who started saying that it's harmful so it's you who need to proof it with a reliable research I guess
Vaping is about harm reduction over smoking. Eating fatty foods will kill you. Eating lighter foods with less fat and cholesterol will kill you more slowly. It's all about harm reduction.
BTW, emissions from fossil fuel vehicles, contaminants in the air we breathe, and a numerous list of other items in our environment kill us slowly. None of us will leave life alive. Even your genetic makeup places a number on your longevity. Some are fortunate to have a clean gene pool and others aren't so lucky.
if we continue the list we'll end up saying that living is killing you slowly. I guess the important thing is to know if vaping is damaging your health more than it gives you (joy, taste, stress relief etc) or not. And for me so far it gives more. I never felt bad after vaping, never had lung problems after vaping etc.
Good god where is the specific correlation? !!! P l e a s e, please…stop using the word "harmful" in relationship to vaping, in any volume. Forty years from now you won't know whether harm came from your fav flavored candy or chronic lack of sleep. The "harm" is no more provable than the negative. We are our own worst enemies when it comes to bias.
Our bodies know what to do with water and the trace elements evident from flavorings barely registering are comparable to environmental air. Glycerols irritate the respiratory tract so I guess we should just stay indoors and not breathe. I'm disgusted with a pc proctored doctored universe lecturing us about suicide prone cessation alternatives while dehumanizing us for our choices.
What we lack is community which is what we originally had in vaping. It's been destroyed everywhere by the nanny state with our increasing tolerance for it. Now that is lethal.
Good luck.
Our bodies know what to do with water and the trace elements evident from flavorings barely registering are comparable to environmental air. Glycerols irritate the respiratory tract so I guess we should just stay indoors and not breathe. I'm disgusted with a pc proctored doctored universe lecturing us about suicide prone cessation alternatives while dehumanizing us for our choices.
What we lack is community which is what we originally had in vaping. It's been destroyed everywhere by the nanny state with our increasing tolerance for it. Now that is lethal.
Good luck.
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Long term (over ten years) scientific studies on the danger/safety of electronic cigarettes are unavailable. Vaping is a relatively new practice, and scientific studies with an adequate number of subjects over the appropriate amount of time have yet to be completed and analyzed.But it was you guys who started saying that it's harmful so it's you who need to proof it with a reliable research I guess
The earliest studies on vaping were short term with small test groups sponsored by BP and BT, and the results were twisted and biased against e-cigarettes to fit their personal financial agenda.
We know from older scientific studies that smoke and inhaling the products of combustion are dangerous to our health. The studies on vapor and inhaling its byproducts are at best short term but look "promising" as a "safer" (not "safe") alternative to smoking.
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We all have an unknown expiration date that changes as we live our life well or carelessly. All we can say is that as far as we know from available information and experience we will likely live longer vaping than we would have when we smoked. Vaping has been estimated to be 95% safer than smoking by the British royal college of physicians, but there's always unknown factors that could rear their ugly heads.
I do know that while vaping I can maintain 98% and 99% Oxygen saturation during fairly heavy exercise. When I smoked I huffed and puffed during exercise. My lungs are clear of unwanted artifacts according to X-rays and CT Scans I've had in the last few years.
Royal College Of Physicians Says E-Cigarettes Can 'Prevent Almost All The Harm From Smoking'
At least, in my imagination of a perfect world, vaping should die along with smoking. This should be a way to end smoking and then die out with the current users. But then again, it's not a perfect world.
The fun colored packaging of products, television shows and vaping tricks makes it look so much fun to vape, even without nicotine! I must admit I am also entertained watching youtube videos of vape tricks and product reviews. But vaping trick on national television? I think is a big no! The question is, is it right to use this kind of marketing that's almost the same as selling legos to children. I mean, the colorful marketing and the idea that this is fun. It's attracting very young audiences.
The fun colored packaging of products, television shows and vaping tricks makes it look so much fun to vape, even without nicotine! I must admit I am also entertained watching youtube videos of vape tricks and product reviews. But vaping trick on national television? I think is a big no! The question is, is it right to use this kind of marketing that's almost the same as selling legos to children. I mean, the colorful marketing and the idea that this is fun. It's attracting very young audiences.
As long as we are considering Individual Anecdotal Evidence and then making some Implied correlation at the Population Level, shouldn't we at least throw in How one would feel if they Didn't Vape at all as compared to Smoking?
Is vaping 100% safe? Probably not... Is it 100% safer than smoking? Probably so....
There will always be studies and those studies can often contradict each other. I made the choice to quit smoking 10-years ago and I feel much better. Before I'd get winded walking up stairs, I'd cough up a lung 1st thing in the morning ect.... I no longer have either of those issues and I feel 100% healthier....
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There will always be studies and those studies can often contradict each other. I made the choice to quit smoking 10-years ago and I feel much better. Before I'd get winded walking up stairs, I'd cough up a lung 1st thing in the morning ect.... I no longer have either of those issues and I feel 100% healthier....
My .02
Yes I still vape . we all do things that aren't good for us, but still do them. Unfortunately I was addicted to cigs and was not strong enough to just quit cold Turkey, so I tried vaping. Because my health improved and I honestly feel better, I continue to vape because I'm an addict. I'm not proud of being addicted to vaping , but it is what it is, but I definitely dont think it's good for me, so I dont really think it's strange whatsoever. Everyday people do things that aren't good for them, but still do them and imo the important thing is that you realize this, so you maybe control it a bit or do things to offset it. I have offset my addiction to smoking by vaping and like I said, I do think it's way better, but still not good to do...do you seriously think that inhaling vapor all day every day for years will be totally safe?
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I do think this is a much more valid point because we are not meant to actually do it...
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I sort of agree with you. I think some of the advertising for vape products took a wrong turn and didn't take into account how that advertising could influence teens and pre-teens.
I used to work in a vape shop a few years ago and we would often sponsor vape meets which included contests for cloud chasing. Personally, I never approved of the contests because I felt it contradicted the real reason that we should be vaping instead of smoking. I didn't think vaping should be considered a competitive sport, but I was in the minority.
Where do we draw the line? There is probably more underage harm caused by trick skate boarding and bicycle tricks than any caused by vaping, yet these are on national television and You Tube. Should these two activities be banned because they are potentially dangerous to teen's health?
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So shooting people in the face, sawing them to pieces with a handsaw, beating them to a pulp, horrible monsters from nightmares - no problem with any of that.
What's that, a vape trick?
Adults are not color blind, the fact that colors are used on packages doesn't indicate marketing to children. I don't think a complete list of products that have a colored package and are exclusively marketed to adults would even fit on this page. It's a very poor argument, not buying it.
Seems more like the old "spoiling the youth" shtick we know from rock'n'roll, tv, hip hop, comics,video games etc, just the latest update of it.
Are they doing anything fun that's not scientifically proven to be 100% harmless?
Proving that something is harmless is an impossible standard. Not even medical drugs are proven to be harmless before they're thrown on the market. Let alone any of the things we eat or drink. Why insist on an impossible standard for vaping and nothing else?
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