Underage vaping (warning - rant)

[Baditude]

So you would have children sheltered from real world temptations before sending them off to college or out to an independent life with no tools or lessons about how to resist said temptations?

I agree. As parents or guardians, we do our best (hopefully) to educate and counsel our children against harmful temptations. I was honest with my kids. I told them that I had experimented with smoking, alcohol, and some minor illicit drugs as a teen and young adult. I told them that in hindsight, I wish that I hadn't experimented. So do as I say, not as I did.

I started smoking as a social smoker, but it didn't take long before I was a full time smoker. I smoked for 35 years until I was able to quit with the help of vaping.

But kids and young adults are going to do what they do despite our good intentions. They need to make independent decisions on their own, regardless of if they are right or wrong.

 

[Letitia]

Teens are literally hardwired to push limits so when they reach adulthood they have hopefully learned where their line in the sand is. Some of my lessons learned came at a young age and I'm grateful for every one of them. When I moved out into the world I had learned my limits and had experience with how to read the signs that I had reached those limits.

 

[AXIOM_1]

you don't have any real proofs that it's wrong but still think it's wrong ... and you are still doing it?

In my case, I quit vaping several months ago and so your statement does not apply...

People smoke tobacco and many of them desire to quit but they keep doing it..... It's called having an addictive personality, not to forget about all of the toxic junk in tobacco that provides physical addiction. It's the same scenario regarding vaping. Some folks may assume it to be unhealthy but they keep doing it just like they did when they smoked (if they smoked)…. You can compare lots of things to derive a very similar analogy.... Such as why does an alcoholic drink to the point where he/she is violently ill but yet they keep doing it over and over again? Anyone with a brain stem knows they are making themselves sick by drinking, yet they keep doing it. The world is full of people such as this. A large percentage of the population has an addictive personality.

It also does not take much imagination/intelligence to think that inhaling gobs of a thick gooey substance (VG) into your lungs on a constant basis may just do something over an extended period of time. It's simply not a natural act. If it were natural, you would have came out of the whom with a mod glued to your hand. People can try to self justify their vaping habit all they want to but common sense does not seem to be very common now days, and I for one, think it is wiser for a person to be on the side of caution.

 

[untar]

You can compare lots of things to derive a very similar analogy.... Such as why does an alcoholic drink to the point where he/she is violently ill but yet they keep doing it over and over again?

Because they get physically ill from headaches, vomiting to fever and hallucinations if they don't...
I'm not quite on board with comparing vaping to alcoholism, it's not in the same league, hell, it's not even the same game. I've gone days to over a week without vaping and didn't have any problems. No headache, no sweating, no sleep problems, nothing.

It's simply not a natural act.

If something is a natural act or not has little bearing on it being harmful or not. You can process some berries through the "natural act" of eating and still die from them being poisonous.
Then you can sit in your unnatural clothes in front of your unnatural computer and order an unnatural chair that'll be much better for your back when you sit in front of your computer

 

[Pete M]

If it were natural, you would have came out of the whom with a mod glued to your hand.

This sentence wins the thread for me just for the mental image!

 

[Jebbn]

Is this a thread where we can freely use logical fallacies and every ones cool with it?

 

[jandrew]

Is this a thread where we can freely use logical fallacies and every ones cool with it?

Logical fallacies, illogical fallacies, fallacious fallacies ...

tanstaaffl -- there ain't no such thing as a fallacy free lunch. (apologies to Heinlein)

 

[F-machine]

I agree. As parents or guardians, we do our best (hopefully) to educate and counsel our children against harmful temptations. I was honest with my kids. I told them that I had experimented with smoking, alcohol, and some minor illicit drugs as a teen and young adult. I told them that in hindsight, I wish that I hadn't experimented. So do as I say, not as I did.

I started smoking as a social smoker, but it didn't take long before I was a full time smoker. I smoked for 35 years until I was able to quit with the help of vaping.

But kids and young adults are going to do what they do despite our good intentions. They need to make independent decisions on their own, regardless of if they are right or wrong.

If you don't know they exist, you will never have the thought of doing or even trying. What's been said and done is hard to roll back. But the continuous transfer of thought is the constant re planting of seed you once had in yourself as a youth.

We may never understand each other's opinion and never be on the same page because we really are. I am in Asia and we don't think the same as you guys. It's alright though, as long as you know where the problem lies, it just goes down to how you solve it, or if you even tried.

 

[Baditude]

If you don't know they exist, you will never have the thought of doing or even trying. What's been said and done is hard to roll back. But the continuous transfer of thought is the constant re planting of seed you once had in yourself as a youth.

We may never understand each other's opinion and never be on the same page because we really are. I am in Asia and we don't think the same as you guys. It's alright though, as long as you know where the problem lies, it just goes down to how you solve it, or if you even tried.

I don't have a clue understanding what you just said, but I respect your right to express it, whatever it was.

 

[Letitia]

If you don't know they exist, you will never have the thought of doing or even trying. What's been said and done is hard to roll back. But the continuous transfer of thought is the constant re planting of seed you once had in yourself as a youth.

We may never understand each other's opinion and never be on the same page because we really are. I am in Asia and we don't think the same as you guys. It's alright though, as long as you know where the problem lies, it just goes down to how you solve it, or if you even tried.

Do your children go to a public school? If so how can you hope to shield them from temptations?

 

[United States]

This thread prompted me to send an email to a company that I had been at their e-store and the age verify thing didn't pop up.

So at least once, I have tried to play a part in ensuring youth cannot get vape stuff from them. It turns out that cookies left from the last visit had turned off the prompt.

Some re-visiting their site may be aggrevated by their correction but it seems that they are going to make one e-verify age at checkout...returning customer or not. I'm cool with that. Before, returning customers were not prompted.

 

[AttyPops]

It turns out that cookies left from the last visit had turned off the prompt.

ZOMG! E-cig sites use COOKIES to attract kids and avoid prompts? That's as bad as flavoring! The vile scum!

 

[Zazie]

Yes, he vapes. His friend Kylie Jenner vapes, too. I would guess both have a impact on influencing teens due to their celebrity status.

If whoever was the equivalent of Justin Bieber and Kylie Jenner had been vaping when I was a kid, I would have done the opposite. So I guess I would have started smoking, regardless.

Regarding the effects of vaping, I know that when I started, after not smoking at all for the previous six months and smoking minimally for years before, I started coughing more and, especially when I flirted with high VG, bringing up more phlegm (high PG made the roof of my mouth and my tongue feel the way they do after I've had some too hot soup or coffee). I have zero doubt that vaping is harder on my lungs than neither vaping nor smoking. Based on my physical response to both, however, I also have zero doubt that vaping is less hard on my lungs than smoking.

There, more oh so useful anecdotal evidence to add to the pile.

 

[vapdivrr]

Proving that something is harmless is an impossible standard. Not even medical drugs are proven to be harmless before they're thrown on the market. Let alone any of the things we eat or drink. Why insist on an impossible standard for vaping and nothing else?

Because we are not talking about something that's done once in a while or something that's in moderation, we are talking about something that's being inhaled, and in a lot of cases are being inhaled in large quantities, all day every day Were not talking about drinking 2 or 3 cups of coffee or eating too much chocolate or having a glass or 2 of wine everyday . Dont get me wrong, if I could talk every smoker in the world to vape, I would, and would feel as if I saved many lives, but the best scenario would be if all those smokers just quit cold turkey


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[vapdivrr]

Some dizzyness is probably part of it, yeah. Doesn't need to be perceived as adult like though, they put booze soaked tampons up their butts and I don't think they thought their parents (or any adult) would do that [emoji38]

Ewwww[emoji31][emoji2]

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[vapdivrr]

Lots of great views in this thread and whether you believe vaping is totally harmless or not is futile for the time being. My view is , and most probably agree, that vaping is far better then smoking, but is still not very good for us. With that, shouldn't we at least try and stipulate this rather then try an argue? Even if you believe its totally healthy, why not side that most likely , it's not good for you? What this does is this, it still would make those who want to vape instead of smoking want to and perhaps make those who never smoked, not want to. Isn't this the responsible thing to do? Just in case it turns out to be not as good as some think. I just feel that if your there saying, "well there's no proof" or "what isn't heathy" that that thinking can perhaps spread and gain in belief and sway someone who never smoked to want to try vaping. Anyways that's my thinking, better safe then sorry

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[AttyPops]

I think the whole issue is basically fiddling while Rome burns...there's a lot more serious things to worry about. That said, age verification and some controls on it are a good thing. Trouble is that the antz/FDA take it too far and become tools for BT/BPharma.

 

[F-machine]

Do your children go to a public school? If so how can you hope to shield them from temptations?

Yes, my kid attends a public school. But like I said, I am in Asia and your idea of a public school is different from what we have here. Shielding from temptation, the school does that for me. They are not even allowed to bring cash, food and any electronic device in school, unlike in some "Americanized" country or schools. I pay the school the amount I need to pay based from my income, and everything my son needs is given to him equally and identical with those who attend that school for free or pays more than we do. So you know, it's gonna be very hard for both of us to have the same idea or opinion. We are in different worlds, but I am just sharing so no big deal, and so I welcome and understand your opinion too.

 

[Eskie]

Some dizzyness is probably part of it, yeah. Doesn't need to be perceived as adult like though, they put booze soaked tampons up their butts and I don't think they thought their parents (or any adult) would do that

OK. Wait.

What?

Really?

This is a thing?

 

[smacuser]

It's called ....-chugging. lol