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Pyrate

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Ive discovered something interesting about the "Second Hand Vapor" issue.

I have a cat that is a serious lap cat. When I smoked cigarettes she wouldnt even be in the room, let alone in my lap, when I smoked.
Yet now that I vape, she will climb right into my lap while I do it. Even if I blow a cloud in her face she wont leave.

She hated cigarette smoke, but has no problems with vapor.


*addendum- I dont make it a habit of blowing vapor in others faces.
 

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Never. Twin two year olds and I'll never do it in the same room. Ever. 99% says it's harmless. But it's MY choice to risk that 1%. Doing it with them there would be incredibly selfish and irrrsponsible.

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I have no issue with your decision. Stating that going the other way (I assume with common sense) is selfish and irresponsible, I have a problem with that characterization. Since you mentioned risk as a motivating factor, I hope you also decide to home-school your children, never have them in a moving automobile, never let them play any sport or climb a tree. Also, I have to assume you would never drink coffee, soda, alcohol or eat at a fast food restaurant in their presence.
 
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I've been around this forum for a while now and this question keeps coming up time and time again. The OP asks a question "what do you think of..." and people state their opinion. If we leave it at that then it stays objective, but when the posters start defending theirs, then it becomes a topic from debate class and goes on and on.

We're all free to make our own decisions, and hopefully old enough. The information and discussions are still in previous threads so I don't think the OP really wants an answer because he/she could have the myriad of opinions from time immemorial. If the OP has not done research to see if the question has been asked before, then I invite him/her to spend some time perusing older threads.

If on the other hand, the purpose of the original posting is to amass a ridiculous number of replies (maybe they get some kind of award at the end for the most replies) then go ahead and keep arguing.
 

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Since you mentioned risk as a motivating factor, I hope you also decide to home-school your children, never have them in a moving automobile, never let them play any sport or climb a tree. Also, I have to assume you would never drink coffee, soda, alcohol or eat at a fast food restaurant in their presence.

This is reductionist and flatly ignoring much of what I said. I outright stated that everything comes with a risk. You have to weigh risk vs. benefit and make decisions accordingly.

Do I put my children in a car/truck and drive them somewhere?
Risk: Tiny risk of an auto accident.
Benefit: We have to go places, buy groceries, go to doctor appointments, and play at the park
[For me, the benefit clearly outweighs the risk]

Do I send my children to public school?
Risk: They'll be bullied or some maniac will shoot up the school.
Benefit: A proper, rounded (in theory) education, the acquisition of social skills, and the ability to make lifelong friendships.
[For me, the benefit outweighs the risk]

Do I expose my children to my vapor?
Risk: Very small, but nonzero, risk of toxic substances harming them, either in the short term or long.
Benefit: I don't have to delay my own gratification, or inconvenience myself by walking out of the room.
[Benefit of vaping around them is almost nonexistant and entirely selfish, and therefore not worth the risk]

You see how these choices are not all the same. They're not parallel. We're all forced to expose our children to risks. My position is that we're not forced to exposing them to NEEDLESS risks, and that's exactly what this is. The degree of risk is unknown. Most of us here think it's small. If we DIDN'T think it was small, we wouldn't be vaping at all. But "small" is not zero. No matter how much one tries to rationalize or justify, it simply is not zero. There is too much unknown. So my point is this: Why expose them to the risk when the only benefit of doing so is that you're not inconvenienced?
 

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We're all free to make our own decisions, and hopefully old enough. The information and discussions are still in previous threads so I don't think the OP really wants an answer because he/she could have the myriad of opinions from time immemorial. If the OP has not done research to see if the question has been asked before, then I invite him/her to spend some time perusing older threads.
I think we give the OP the benefit of the doubt here. He/she is likely wrestling with his or her own vaping boundaries and wanted to start a discussion on that point. Sure, it's ground that's probably been trod before, but this is a forum. If we never revisited a topic, it'd get boring fast. ;)
 

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I have a two and a half year old and I vape around her. If she is sitting next to me or laying on me watching a movie I won't vape. But if she is playing and I am on the couch yes I do. She has asked what it was and I have told her "it is Daddy's treatment". She used to get daily treatments for asthma like symptoms and it was a fog kind of machine so she accepted that and doesn't pay much attention to it or me when I am vaping. She just thinks that Daddy is getting a treatment. Her Grandparents (Just Papa now) smoke and she avoids them when they are smoking LOL. They at least only smoke outside and I quit in July so she knows what smoking is and she now knows that I don't do it anymore

I don't Vape in the car with her in it though, just to confined for me to feel comfortable....

I never smoked in my home, I was a smoker that hated the smell.

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Ive discovered something interesting about the "Second Hand Vapor" issue.

I have a cat that is a serious lap cat. When I smoked cigarettes she wouldnt even be in the room, let alone in my lap, when I smoked.
Yet now that I vape, she will climb right into my lap while I do it. Even if I blow a cloud in her face she wont leave.

She hated cigarette smoke, but has no problems with vapor.


*addendum- I dont make it a habit of blowing vapor in others faces.

my pet rats love it too :)
They always come up to my PV, sniff the top and then try to gnaw on my drip tip :D

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Show me the study that conclusively rules out any danger of exposure. Not suggestive, but conclusive.

Show me the study that conclusively rules out any danger when drinking bottled water.
Or giving it to pet rats to drink, as a matter of fact :)
 
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my pet rats love it too :)

Hey I used to have pet rats when I was in college. Very underrated pet, IMHO.

Show me the study that conclusively rules out any danger when drinking bottled water.
Or giving it to pet rats to drink, as a matter of fact :)
Of course, that was a reply to someone claiming that studies "prove" that it's safe. All I'm doing is asking the poster to provide evidence of that claim (which he/she won't, since it doesn't exist). I'm basically calling bullspit on the claim that was made.
 

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Hey, aceswired. I respect the decision you have made for yourself and your family. I would never judge you for it, or disparage you for doing what you feel is right in your heart.

I think calling people and their decisions "selfish" is where the rub is...

Maybe you can just accept their decision is different from yours and you can respect the choices they have made for themselves.

Happy Vaping.
 

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I think calling people and their decisions "selfish" is where the rub is...
I'm not calling anyone out. I've been very careful to frame my argument in the shape that I feel it would be a selfish decision on my part. But this is a topic where we're discussing opinions on vaping around children. That's my opinion. I understand the nature of the forum and that this might not be a popular opinion among some folks here. But I don't think that's a reason not to voice it.
 

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Lets face it, cig smoke stinks. Cats have a very good sense of smell.

And yet they still hang around cats.


I've been around this forum for a while now and this question keeps coming up time and time again. The OP asks a question "what do you think of..." and people state their opinion. If we leave it at that then it stays objective, but when the posters start defending theirs, then it becomes a topic from debate class and goes on and on.

We're all free to make our own decisions, and hopefully old enough. The information and discussions are still in previous threads so I don't think the OP really wants an answer because he/she could have the myriad of opinions from time immemorial. If the OP has not done research to see if the question has been asked before, then I invite him/her to spend some time perusing older threads.

If on the other hand, the purpose of the original posting is to amass a ridiculous number of replies (maybe they get some kind of award at the end for the most replies) then go ahead and keep arguing.


I think it's when someone defends theirs by cutting down every other position without any need to have defended their position.

Like, "This is my position. To do anything else would be _______."

You can defend your position by actually defending it. Like, "There are no studies to show that second hand vapor is harmful."
It's when attacking is confused with defense that the problems arise.


Show me the study that conclusively rules out any danger of exposure. Not suggestive, but conclusive.

You demand the impossible.
You can't prove something is completely safe without spending an infinite amount of time watching it.
 

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Yeah, the selfish and irresponsible thing got to me. It really didn't need to be tacked on to the statement. The opinion stated before that last line would've been sufficient.

I bit and am sorry that I did.

We all make our choices. I feel it is perfectly safe or I would not vape just as I didn't smoke. My husband has allergies and smoke really bothered him. Vapor does absolutely nothing that irritates any of his many allergies. Even in enclosed spaces like sitting next to him in a car with windows up.

Ooooh. Here is a study https://web.archive.org/web/2013100.../SiteData/docs/ms08/f90349264250e603/ms08.pdf
 

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Never. Twin two year olds and I'll never do it in the same room. Ever. 99% says it's harmless. But it's MY choice to risk that 1%. Doing it with them there would be incredibly selfish and irrrsponsible.

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Are you sure about your last post? I see what you are trying to say, but do you see how other posters would feel that you are calling their choices "selfish and irrrsponsible"?
 

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And yet they still hang around cats.

I have had just about enough of your anti-cat rhetoric, canine.


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Never. Twin two year olds and I'll never do it in the same room. Ever. 99% says it's harmless. But it's MY choice to risk that 1%. Doing it with them there would be incredibly selfish and irrrsponsible.

Sent from my YP-G1 using Tapatalk 2

This is reductionist and flatly ignoring much of what I said. I outright stated that everything comes with a risk. You have to weigh risk vs. benefit and make decisions accordingly.

Do I put my children in a car/truck and drive them somewhere?
Risk: Tiny risk of an auto accident.
Benefit: We have to go places, buy groceries, go to doctor appointments, and play at the park
[For me, the benefit clearly outweighs the risk]

Do I send my children to public school?
Risk: They'll be bullied or some maniac will shoot up the school.
Benefit: A proper, rounded (in theory) education, the acquisition of social skills, and the ability to make lifelong friendships.
[For me, the benefit outweighs the risk]

Do I expose my children to my vapor?
Risk: Very small, but nonzero, risk of toxic substances harming them, either in the short term or long.
Benefit: I don't have to delay my own gratification, or inconvenience myself by walking out of the room.
[Benefit of vaping around them is almost nonexistant and entirely selfish, and therefore not worth the risk]

You see how these choices are not all the same. They're not parallel. We're all forced to expose our children to risks. My position is that we're not forced to exposing them to NEEDLESS risks, and that's exactly what this is. The degree of risk is unknown. Most of us here think it's small. If we DIDN'T think it was small, we wouldn't be vaping at all. But "small" is not zero. No matter how much one tries to rationalize or justify, it simply is not zero. There is too much unknown. So my point is this: Why expose them to the risk when the only benefit of doing so is that you're not inconvenienced?

As I stated in my original response to your post, I have a problem with your statement that implies that anyone who vapes respectfully and with common sense around kids are selfish and irresponsible. I have no issue with your decision not to vape around your children.

I also believe that statistically, based on accident studies compared to the latest vaping study, that you expose your child to a greater risk by having them in a moving vehicle than by vaping within their line of sight. I also stated I have no problem with your decision, only with your highly negative characterization of someone who vapes respectfully in the general vicinity of a child. I already posted the Drexel University study on exhaled vapor. I would suggest reading it.
 
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