Vaping dilemmas...

[Bob63]

Hey all,

Unlike many of you, I was a closet cigarette smoker for 22 years. Yeah, I know that sounds crazy. Personally, I think smoking is a disgusting dirty habit, but I was seduced by it's pleasurable sensations throughout the body, and got hooked when I was 26 years-old. I did not want most of the people I knew to know that I smoked, so I burned lots of candles and incense in my apartment….ran the fan and opened windows alot. The things we go through for our bad habits.

Anyway, I quit about three years back because I had no choice. I was moving in with my single 85 year-old Dad, a staunch non-smoker, who would have been really, really disappointed to find out that I was smoking. My Dad can smell anything, and I just didn't have the heart to disappoint him, so I quit cold turkey. I had headaches for months, fitful sleeps, irritability, and all the other symptoms of quitting, but I really, really missed it bad. I did it for my Dad.

About a year and a half ago, I decided to give the e-cig a try. It was such a comforting feeling to feel that nicotine rush again. I wanted something that looked like a cigarette though, and not some new-fangled space age smoking device. So, I bought a disposable V2. The first night I think I overdid it though. Felt great, but afterward I felt a bit nauseous, like back when you first started smoking tobacco. I liked the look of the long, black cig though…I was a More 120 smoker when I smoked the regular cigarettes. I wished they had one that looked like a More 120!

Anyway, I immediately started noticing that my bedroom stunk like real cigarettes, and was surprised because I thought these things had no odor at all. This was not going to fly living with Dad. He was going to notice the smell (and did). After a couple of days, he mentioned to me, "What is that smell? I keep smelling something burning?" He couldn't put his finger on what it was though, but I thought, "Oh no, this is not going to work out at all."

So, I bought a disposable Blue cig because I heard they were non-odorous. I liked the Blue's, but the menthol gave me hideous headaches no matter what. Terrible migraines would set in 2-3 days after smoking one that would wipe me out for a day. And no, I wasn't smoking more than maybe 8 drags in one session for a couple of days. So, this wasn't nicotine overkill at all. I use to smoke almost 2 packs of Mores a day, and they never did this, but only on occasion.

After about one year of smoking the Blue disposables, I started having weird reactions after smoking them. Both symptoms appearing immediately after smoking them…blurred vision that would last for days, and stomach bloating/gas/soreness. One of the last times I smoked one, it gave me such bad stomach pain (upper GI, not lower, and no, I was not swallowing the smoke at all) that I quit for 3 weeks. It went away so i thought, well, I'll give them another try. The same thing happened, only this time, it lasted for about 2 months before it started to fade again. I haven't smoked anything since. it really scared me.

Surfing the net, I have read about alot of other people experiencing these same symptoms. So you can't just chalk this up to "other health" issues. It amazes me that something they advertise as being the "safe" alternative to smoking tobacco can have such terrible effects…side-effects that real tobacco never produced in me. I have no idea what they are putting in these things, but I do feel now, that vaping can be very harmful and dangerous to certain individuals…meaning, it truly is not for everyone.

So, if you are reading this and have had my same symptoms, you're not alone, and no, I seriously doubt you are experiencing symptoms from something else. I know after stopping and starting these e-cigs, that they are the culprit here, as the symptoms fades over time after stopping.

Oh, and the Blue cigs are NOT non-odorous. My Dad picked up on their smell also…hours after I had smoked one. He kept saying, "I keep smelling something that smells like dirty clothes". And no, I am very clean. He was smelling it lingering on my breath even after I had showered and brushed my teeth. It does have a stinky dirty feet/clothing smell…he's right.

The other thing I found really strange about vaping is that I didn't have the same 'craving" feeling that I had when I smoked a tobacco cigarette. It's not the same feeling at all. In fact, I never really had any cravings at all to vape, which I thought was unusual. It is nicotine, but my body didn't crave it, like cigarettes…and honestly, sometimes it was nice when smoking real cigs to satify that craving, something I have never experienced while vaping.

Anyway, I quit these things before Thanksgiving. To me, they felt poisonous, and my body didn't take to the toxins that they put in these things very well at all. Blurred vision is gone, and stomach issue is finally clearing up now. One day I may go back to tobacco cigs, but the timing isn't right now, but personally, I think there's alot they don't know about vaping, and one day we may all be surprised as to it's harmful effects…and the fact it might not be the "safe" alternative we all thought.

 

[Baditude]

First of all, welcome to the forum.

Sorry to read that your vaping experience turned out to be a downer. Vaping is a relatively new "science" and has not had time to accumulate a lot of long term scientific research. You can find the most recent research documentation at CASAA.

Unfortunately, not everyone can tolerate vaping. I've been vaping for nearly four years, and have been quite active on this forum for the same amount of time, and I've never read of anyone else who has had the same symptoms as yourself. Vaping may not be "totally safe", but the majority of vapers who have been successful in stopping smoking with vaping will testify that it has to be less harmful than smoking.

Good luck to you my friend.

 

[ismokeinbinary]

So you had bad experiences with cigalikes, the lowest quality ecig, and lump all other ecigs in with them? C'mon. Maybe if you could've given up the whole "it's gotta look like a cig!" idea you would've had a better experience. And assuming ecigs have no odor isn't the case. They don't have the odor of burning cigarettes, but the odor of the flavorings. If you vaped unflavored juice and had a real rig this thread would never have been posted. You limited yourself to a sub par experience and then lumped everything else into your "conclusions". /facepalm

 

[crxess]

Hello, Welcome and Please, when saying I read all over the web - share the links.

Medical claims are often from misunderstandings. Assumptions that a single change = a cause.
Headaches can be from to much nic consumption as can short term focus problems. Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor.
Gas can be as simple as sucking air into the stomach

As for odors, well there are other flavors available(for now) even in cig-a-likes. If it walks like a Duck, so to speak.

 

[Baditude]

I and most of the people I vape around never detect any offending odors.

Last year, due to personal circumstances, I was forced to live with my brother. He's a non-smoker and hates being around those who vape. He claims it messes up his sinuses and he dislikes the "smell". Now I either vape outdoors or in my bedroom and keep the door closed.

 

[rico942]

My next door neighbor in the adjacent apartment moved in about a month after I switched from analogs to vaping, over two years ago. During that month I had the carpets professionally cleaned, and I thoroughly steam cleaned every exposed indoor surface, including the walls and ceilings. He visited my place occasionally and never detected any smoke residue ...

This neighbor has a nose like a bloodhound and is the type who will seek out and accost smokers in public with an angry rant about "second-hand smoke". He has come home beat up more than once, but persists in his crusade. Lately he has been attacking vapers as well, with predictable results ...

After more than a year as amiable neighbors, he once saw me from a distance vaping in my car and approached to comment about the "stink", threatening to complain to the apartment manager, who is also very outspoken about the evils of tobacco, even though there is still nothing in the rental agreement prohibiting smoking. I would estimate that nearly half of the tenants here smoke analogs openly, there are butts everywhere ...

People like this neighbor have a classic Pavlovian reaction to anything that even remotely looks like tobacco smoke, they really do believe that vapor exuding from a human face equals cigarette smoke equals a direct threat, with no exceptions, and justify their irrational behavior by quoting decades of disinformation in the media ...

I now stealth vape anywhere there is even a possibility of encountering a smoke/vapor hater, and truthfully deny tobacco use when confronted by these zealots, they have no interest in the facts ...

And my neighbor still comes home from the local bars occasionally with a few scuff marks ...

 

[crxess]

My next door neighbor in the adjacent apartment moved in about a month after I switched from analogs to vaping, over two years ago. During that month I had the carpets professionally cleaned, and I thoroughly steam cleaned every exposed indoor surface, including the walls and ceilings. He visited my place occasionally and never detected any smoke residue ...

This neighbor has a nose like a bloodhound and is the type who will seek out and accost smokers in public with an angry rant about "second-hand smoke". He has come home beat up more than once, but persists in his crusade. Lately he has been attacking vapers as well, with predictable results ...

After more than a year as amiable neighbors, he once saw me from a distance vaping in my car and approached to comment about the "stink", threatening to complain to the apartment manager, who is also very outspoken about the evils of tobacco, even though there is still nothing in the rental agreement prohibiting smoking. I would estimate that nearly half of the tenants here smoke analogs openly, there are butts everywhere ...

People like this neighbor have a classic Pavlovian reaction to anything that even remotely looks like tobacco smoke, they really do believe that vapor exuding from a human face equals cigarette smoke equals a direct threat, with no exceptions, and justify their irrational behavior by quoting decades of disinformation in the media ...

I now stealth vape anywhere there is even a possibility of encountering a smoke/vapor hater, and truthfully deny tobacco use when confronted by these zealots, they have no interest in the facts ...

And my neighbor still comes home from the local bars occasionally with a few scuff marks ...

Next time you see him, ask if he Screams at Tea Kettles for Steaming
There are ANTZ with RANTZ...........then there are IDIOTS

I have Dealt with a True Full on ANTZ, a fellow Employee - He now supports the concept of using Vaping as a means to stop smoking.

 

[jensy]

Hi Bob, Welcome to the forum. Why did you join today a vaping forum if you think vaping is bad and you are no longer going to continue? Also you think at some point you will go back to cigarettes, hmmmmm, are they not proven not only to be bad but also can kill you. Do you think that could possibly be a really silly thing to say?

If you have a pizza and get gas because of the toppings does that mean all pizza is bad or just possibly it could be the jalepeno's they put on it. Next time try something else.

 

[WillyZee]

seriously now Bob ... how's Dad doing?

 

[jensy]

seriously now Bob ... how's Dad doing?

OMG you made me laugh hard.

 

[YoursTruli]

Hey all,

Unlike many of you, I was a closet cigarette smoker for 22 years. Yeah, I know that sounds crazy. Personally, I think smoking is a disgusting dirty habit, but I was seduced by it's pleasurable sensations throughout the body, and got hooked when I was 26 years-old. I did not want most of the people I knew to know that I smoked, so I burned lots of candles and incense in my apartment….ran the fan and opened windows alot. The things we go through for our bad habits.

Anyway, I quit about three years back because I had no choice. I was moving in with my single 85 year-old Dad, a staunch non-smoker, who would have been really, really disappointed to find out that I was smoking. My Dad can smell anything, and I just didn't have the heart to disappoint him, so I quit cold turkey. I had headaches for months, fitful sleeps, irritability, and all the other symptoms of quitting, but I really, really missed it bad. I did it for my Dad.

About a year and a half ago, I decided to give the e-cig a try. It was such a comforting feeling to feel that nicotine rush again. I wanted something that looked like a cigarette though, and not some new-fangled space age smoking device. So, I bought a disposable V2. The first night I think I overdid it though. Felt great, but afterward I felt a bit nauseous, like back when you first started smoking tobacco. I liked the look of the long, black cig though…I was a More 120 smoker when I smoked the regular cigarettes. I wished they had one that looked like a More 120!

Anyway, I immediately started noticing that my bedroom stunk like real cigarettes, and was surprised because I thought these things had no odor at all. This was not going to fly living with Dad. He was going to notice the smell (and did). After a couple of days, he mentioned to me, "What is that smell? I keep smelling something burning?" He couldn't put his finger on what it was though, but I thought, "Oh no, this is not going to work out at all."

So, I bought a disposable Blue cig because I heard they were non-odorous. I liked the Blue's, but the menthol gave me hideous headaches no matter what. Terrible migraines would set in 2-3 days after smoking one that would wipe me out for a day. And no, I wasn't smoking more than maybe 8 drags in one session for a couple of days. So, this wasn't nicotine overkill at all. I use to smoke almost 2 packs of Mores a day, and they never did this, but only on occasion.

After about one year of smoking the Blue disposables, I started having weird reactions after smoking them. Both symptoms appearing immediately after smoking them…blurred vision that would last for days, and stomach bloating/gas/soreness. One of the last times I smoked one, it gave me such bad stomach pain (upper GI, not lower, and no, I was not swallowing the smoke at all) that I quit for 3 weeks. It went away so i thought, well, I'll give them another try. The same thing happened, only this time, it lasted for about 2 months before it started to fade again. I haven't smoked anything since. it really scared me.

Surfing the net, I have read about alot of other people experiencing these same symptoms. So you can't just chalk this up to "other health" issues. It amazes me that something they advertise as being the "safe" alternative to smoking tobacco can have such terrible effects…side-effects that real tobacco never produced in me. I have no idea what they are putting in these things, but I do feel now, that vaping can be very harmful and dangerous to certain individuals…meaning, it truly is not for everyone.

So, if you are reading this and have had my same symptoms, you're not alone, and no, I seriously doubt you are experiencing symptoms from something else. I know after stopping and starting these e-cigs, that they are the culprit here, as the symptoms fades over time after stopping.

Oh, and the Blue cigs are NOT non-odorous. My Dad picked up on their smell also…hours after I had smoked one. He kept saying, "I keep smelling something that smells like dirty clothes". And no, I am very clean. He was smelling it lingering on my breath even after I had showered and brushed my teeth. It does have a stinky dirty feet/clothing smell…he's right.

The other thing I found really strange about vaping is that I didn't have the same 'craving" feeling that I had when I smoked a tobacco cigarette. It's not the same feeling at all. In fact, I never really had any cravings at all to vape, which I thought was unusual. It is nicotine, but my body didn't crave it, like cigarettes…and honestly, sometimes it was nice when smoking real cigs to satify that craving, something I have never experienced while vaping.

Anyway, I quit these things before Thanksgiving. To me, they felt poisonous, and my body didn't take to the toxins that they put in these things very well at all. Blurred vision is gone, and stomach issue is finally clearing up now. One day I may go back to tobacco cigs, but the timing isn't right now, but personally, I think there's alot they don't know about vaping, and one day we may all be surprised as to it's harmful effects…and the fact it might not be the "safe" alternative we all thought.

Like you I started with the cigalikes, they are what got me off the cigarettes, but unlike yourself I never experienced any of the things you have mentioned here including the cigarette or bad smell. I have been vaping now for the past 5 years without any negative issues, as a matter of fact my respiratory health has improved.
I understand some individuals can be sensitive to some of the ingredients in eliquid and that may be what your problems stemmed from, but most do not experiences this and those that do often figure out what is bothering them, adjust their eliquid accordingly and never experience any more issues. As for "but personally, I think there's alot they don't know about vaping, and one day we may all be surprised as to it's harmful effects…and the fact it might not be the "safe" alternative we all thought." there are numberous studies that say otherwise including the one by Public Health England (PHE) concludes that e-cigarettes are significantly less harmful to health than tobacco that shows ecigarettes to be 95% less harmful than smoking. E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco estimates landmark review - Press releases - GOV.UK ...there is a lot they do currently know about vaping if you care to research it.
I am not sure what your purpose is in joining an ecigarette forum since you appear to be so against it but hopefully while you are here you will educate yourself to become better informed.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Why did you join today a vaping forum if you think vaping is bad and you are no longer going to continue?

It's not that unreasonable jensy. I've been an tequila aficionado for years. I can drink that stuff by the gallons. One day last winter I decided to become a luge aficionado as well (but without the spandex. A chubby guy in spandex doesn't look good. No one overweight looks good in spandex. Can we as a nation agree that unless you are an aerobics instructor or picked to star in a Marvel action movie, you don't belong in spandex? Seriously, we have to have a license to drive a car. Can't we make it mandatory that you have to have a license wear spandex? That's regulation I can get behind. You might think wearing spandex is a victimless crime but if you can't pull it off, it's a crime against all sighted people around you! Where was I? Oh yeah...) Anyways, I was doing pretty well until I had too much tequila before a high speed luge run and I ended up flying off the course at high speed. Normally, that would be fine because you just land in fluffy blanket of snow. Unfortunately, there was a light pole near the track. In one of those slow motion "Oh crap" moments, I realized I'd never be able to get legs together in time and, well, my junk absorbed the entire blow of the impact. That sent me to the hospital for months (and into a level of soprano I'd never thought I'd be able to achieve as man.) Well, four descending surgeries and 3 months later they let me out of the hospital but forced me to wear permanent corrective underpants. As I healed, I grew frustrated about peoples lack of awareness about the dangers with light poles. I went on every light pole forum I could find and told them that light poles were bad for your junk. They didn't listen. Damn them. One day when a light pole hits their junk, they will know.

 

[Douggro]

they let me out of the hospital but forced me to wear permanent corrective underpants

They weren't, by chance, Spandex underpants?

 

[VaporDaze]

So you're telling me you're 52 years old and you aren't allowed to step outside and have a smoke even though you are a grown man...you're a closet smoker but you smoked 2 packs per day without anyone knowing...and every time you vape the Blu you have these intense reactions but yet you keep doing it for an entire year?

You aren't Bob, you're a Troll...go back under your bridge!

 

[jensy]

It's not that unreasonable jensy. I've been an tequila aficionado for years. I can drink that stuff by the gallons. One day last winter I decided to become a luge aficionado as well (but without the spandex. A chubby guy in spandex doesn't look good. No one overweight looks good in spandex. Can we as a nation agree that unless you are an aerobics instructor or picked to star in a Marvel action movie, you don't belong in spandex? Seriously, we have to have a license to drive a car. Can't we make it mandatory that you have to have a license wear spandex? That's regulation I can get behind. You might think wearing spandex is a victimless crime but if you can't pull it off, it's a crime against all sighted people around you! Where was I? Oh yeah...) Anyways, I was doing pretty well until I had too much tequila before a high speed luge run and I ended up flying off the course at high speed. Normally, that would be fine because you just land in fluffy blanket of snow. Unfortunately, there was a light pole near the track. In one of those slow motion "Oh crap" moments, I realized I'd never be able to get legs together in time and, well, my junk absorbed the entire blow of the impact. That sent me to the hospital for months (and into a level of soprano I'd never thought I'd be able to achieve as man.) Well, four descending surgeries and 3 months later they let me out of the hospital but forced me to wear permanent corrective underpants. As I healed, I grew frustrated about peoples lack of awareness about the dangers with light poles. I went on every light pole forum I could find and told them that light poles were bad for your junk. They didn't listen. Damn them. One day when a light pole hits their junk, they will know.

Oh My Gawd breathe lmao breathe. Jensy raises hand up for spandex regulation!

 

[Katcandoo]

Trollolololalalala! Happy New Year!!!

 

[sake1bs]

bob you've said you read about alot of other people experiencing these same symptoms, it's pretty surprising in all that reading you didn't come across even one person who found out a solution to their problem, whether it be overdose on nic, pg allergy or anything else. It may not be the problem you have but some research and checking some off things off the list might've helped a bit more. I've never tried a blu but the few people i know that use cigalikes stay far away from blu's for whatever reason

 

[EvilZoe]

I'm not sure why someone would join THIS forum just to post something like THAT. A VALID reason, I mean.

 

[VaporDaze]

Because reddit wouldn't listen...

 

[EvilZoe]

Because reddit wouldn't listen...

Now THAT'S pathetic....lol