Vaping for nicotine advantages?

[SlickWilly]

This is an important consideration.
A VERY important one.

Case and point, that's why I responded the way I did. Take someone who doesn't know better, coming to this thread today for the first time, like me, they may very well not read the entire thread or even the first post, and how old is this thread now? I think statements saying 48 mg is fine without putting it into context is just plain wrong, you should be more careful how you say things, not everyone is a rocket scientist.

 

[DaveSignal]

I have always noticed positive effects from nicotine, ever since I have been addicted to it, which is about 20 years. It makes me feel good. It improves my performance at all things. Work is more enjoyable with nicotine. Relaxing at home is more enjoyable with nicotine. And it gives me something great to look forward to every day. If there are additional health benefits, that is wonderful, but I am perfectly contented with nicotine as is, even without those other benefits.

 

[satchvai]

Fortunately the human body has great built in systems to react to overdosing, such as nausea, dizziness, etc.. There are also wide variances in the way that different humans metabolize different compound, nicotine being one of them. I'm one of those that is extremely sensitive to any chemical compound and 3-6mg is more than enough nic for me. A friend of mine who has been vaping 2 years dual tanks 36mg Cinnaicide with no ill effects. Accusing the OP of sending out misinformation doesn't really bother me personally sense we have much more evolved ways of dealing with bad advice.

 

[DavidOck]

Seems to me it's apples and horses at this time. Can't even get a good fruit salad out of that combo!

Mosspa is equating his/her nic intake at 45 to smoking on a "puff per puff" analysis. And has specifically stated also that he/she is vaping for the benefits of nic, not to quit smoking. And has said that to get the same nic, on a puff per puff basis, into the blood, that's what it takes.

Many (most?) of us here are vaping to not smoke, and are probably more "addicted" to the process (and the other crud in cigs!) than to the nic.

Personally, I don't vape 8 -10 draws 8 - 10 times daily. I vape frequently, and at a lower percent. Keeps me off cigs. And I vape at 18, with no particular desire to go lower. (Or higher, although it did take 24 for me to successfully make the switch.)

And while he/she could well be correct in that analysis, I, personally, have no desire to only vape, briefly, a few times daily. So using 45 mg/ml concentrations, while perhaps "mimicking" the actual nic intake of smoking, has no appeal to me.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I have always noticed positive effects from nicotine, ever since I have been addicted to it, which is about 20 years. It makes me feel good. It improves my performance at all things. Work is more enjoyable with nicotine. Relaxing at home is more enjoyable with nicotine. And it gives me something great to look forward to every day. If there are additional health benefits, that is wonderful, but I am perfectly contented with nicotine as is, even without those other benefits.

How do you know about positive effects of nicotine? As an addict (and I am also an addict) you feel better when you are feeding your addiction.

 

[DC2]

How do you know about positive effects of nicotine? As an addict (and I am also an addict) you feel better when you are feeding your addiction.

When someone throws out the term "addict" willy-nilly, my flags go up fast.
And my guns get loaded.

As far as the positive effects of nicotine, they're not hard to find.
Google will help you out in a matter of seconds.

If you consider yourself an addict, that's fine.
But just make sure to speak for yourself.

 

[Alien Traveler]

When someone throws out the term "addict" willy-nilly, my flags go up fast.
And my guns get loaded.

As far as the positive effects of nicotine, they're not hard to find.
Google will help you out in a matter of seconds.

If you consider yourself an addict, that's fine.
But just make sure to speak for yourself.

Thanks for letting me to consider myself an addict.

 

[DC2]

Thanks for letting me to consider myself an addict.

Thanks for not labeling me one.

By the way, did you Google up nicotine health benefits yet?

I can help with that...
Let me google that for you

 

[DaveSignal]

How do you know about positive effects of nicotine? As an addict (and I am also an addict) you feel better when you are feeding your addiction.

I agree with this. But I don't think there are any significant negative health issues resulting from nicotine addiction. Therefore, the benefit of feeling great seems to be an unmistakably positive effect to me. Its awesome, and I recommend it. The non-vapers are missing out.

 

[SlickWilly]

Whew, rough crowd here.

 

[mosspa]

I'd be interested in reading this peer reviewed research, lets see a copy of your credentials since you threw them out there.
Do you understand what you say seems ridiculous to many here?
To say that a non nicotine user can / should or it would be safe for them to pick up, start or even vape on 45mg/ml is ludicrous. And very easily could be dangerous to anyone.

What if they didn't understand or missed the part about 2 gen evod / smoktech equivalent?
Do you not understand that many start off with substantially more efficient delivery systems?

When I vape 3 puffs of 12 mg/ml my ears ring, 3 more headache, 3 more heart races sweat forms, 3 more sweat profusely, 3 more stomach distress & other obvious signs of nicotine OD occur.
Why? because Ive reduced down from 36mg/ml to 6mg/ml over a period of years.
I was a 2 -3 pack per day smoker.

I really don't understand how you can take 88 - 132 vapes of 45mg/ml per day and not feel
some serious side effects.

A doctors recommendation that a new vaper or non smoker can start vaping at 45mg/ml nic and it is fine for most people,,, seems legit.
Sounds more like advice from an interweb dr or a trojan horse.

Well, the peer-reviewed research is cited in various palaces in this thread. I am not going to show anybody any credentials, since only people who have no idea what they are talking about want to see them. You can choose to believe I am who I say I am, or not.

Congratulations on cutting down on the nicotine. It was a waste of time, but I suppose it does save some cash.

My first e-cigs were Vuse cigalikes. I believe their ejuice is 48 mg/ml. The reason I chose them was because of the high concentraton of nicotine.

 

[mosspa]

I agree with this. But I don't think there are any significant negative health issues resulting from nicotine addiction. Therefore, the benefit of feeling great seems to be an unmistakably positive effect to me. Its awesome, and I recommend it. The non-vapers are missing out.

Nobody has systematically demonstrated nicotine 'addiction', There is not one peer-reviewed study that supports the conclusion that nicotine leads to any kind of dependence.

 

[mosspa]

This is an important consideration.
A VERY important one.

I agree, but say, somebody was to drip 45 mg'ml at, say 20W. That first hit would probably clue them in to the fast that they probably shouldn't do it again. I doubt that any single inhalation of the juice would have lasting negative consequences since the LD50 appears to be some very large amount.

 

[Wow1420]

I really don't understand how you can take 88 - 132 vapes of 45mg/ml per day and not feel
some serious side effects.

That's probably not very much liquid for 110 +/- puffs. I'd guess well under 1ml/day. Which would put mosspa's nicotine per day right in the median range How much nicotine do you use in a day? | E-Cigarette Forum
I don't see why people want to make a big deal of that. Heck, we have people reporting over 200mg / day My Nicotine Factor = 48, What's Yours | Page 3 | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[DaveSignal]

Nobody has systematically demonstrated nicotine 'addiction', There is not one peer-reviewed study that supports the conclusion that nicotine leads to any kind of dependence.

I don't think I said that anyone else was dependent on vaping. I said that I am dependent. I don't leave the house with out it. I vape every day. The time that I leave the house and run out of vapor is a time that I am upset. I try to find spots to vape sneakily sometimes when I am somewhere it is not condoned. Before vaping, I used to do the same things with cigarettes and Swedish snus. Patches work for me too (the step-1 nicoderm patches), and I have some in my bag just in case, but they are not as enjoyable as vaping and I don't get the same great feeling of inhaling the nicotine cloud directly into my lungs.

But I do know that I am most likely an extreme case. It is possible that I am the only one with this dependency. But, I enjoy it greatly. It really is wonderful that I have found something that I enjoy so much. I would be surprised if there is no one else who feels this way.

 

[Rossum]

It is possible that I am the only one with this dependency.

No, I can assure you that you aren't. One hour without nic is tolerable, but I've yet to make it past two hours someplace I can't vape (typically a pressurized aluminum cylinder going 500+ mph) w/o reaching for a piece of gum.

 

[jeremyongws]

i transitioned from exclusively cigarettes to 12mg, 9mg and 6mg

 

[3rdEarth]

I'm a university student and vape for the novelty of it as well as the nicotine buzz when studying late night sessions. Studying medicine in university requires a lot of time spent studying and nicotine helps me perform at my peak when studying.

 

[mosspa]

I'm a university student and vape for the novelty of it as well as the nicotine buzz when studying late night sessions. Studying medicine in university requires a lot of time spent studying and nicotine helps me perform at my peak when studying.

It's good to see that you weren't coerced into using nicotine this way by some diabolical neuroscience professor

 

[NealBJr]

I'd be interested in reading this peer reviewed research, lets see a copy of your credentials since you threw them out there.
Do you understand what you say seems ridiculous to many here?
To say that a non nicotine user can / should or it would be safe for them to pick up, start or even vape on 45mg/ml is ludicrous. And very easily could be dangerous to anyone.

What if they didn't understand or missed the part about 2 gen evod / smoktech equivalent?
Do you not understand that many start off with substantially more efficient delivery systems?

When I vape 3 puffs of 12 mg/ml my ears ring, 3 more headache, 3 more heart races sweat forms, 3 more sweat profusely, 3 more stomach distress & other obvious signs of nicotine OD occur.
Why? because Ive reduced down from 36mg/ml to 6mg/ml over a period of years.
I was a 2 -3 pack per day smoker.

I really don't understand how you can take 88 - 132 vapes of 45mg/ml per day and not feel
some serious side effects.

A doctors recommendation that a new vaper or non smoker can start vaping at 45mg/ml nic and it is fine for most people,,, seems legit.
Sounds more like advice from an interweb dr or a trojan horse.

Just one thing to note... the nicotine content has nothing to do with nicotine intake. An evod setup running at 3.3V might deliver less nicotine than my Sigeli 100 @ 6mg/ml. Instead of the person saying he takes X amount of vapes of X amount of concentration, he should note how many milliliters of what dosage of ejuice has been vaped to get a more accurate measure. If he consumed 1ml of 48mg juice during those 100 vapes, then he's getting about a pack per day intake. If he consumed 10 ml of 48mg juice during those 100 vapes, then yes, he is doing some serious overdosing.