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Vaping for nicotine advantages?
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Welcome Mosspa, 47 year smoker here, now a confirmed vaper. You may have to wait until you have a couple more posts till you can uploads. I think you need 5 posts to add links. My best friend's husband has Alzheimer and my neighbor's daughter has Parkinsons. I am very interested in your thoughts.
Interesting stuff mosspa. Personally, I cannot believe that someone would purposely introduce a drug into their body but you make an interesting case. I will have to read the article you posted. The article could possibly answer the question I was going to pose to you, that question being, is nicotine used in any type of typical treatment or medication, other than addiction?
Your observation on the rats is interesting as well. It may actually explain why many vapors reduce their nicotine intake over time as well as unknowingly do it by vaping less.
I do find your method of introducing nicotine to your body a little odd though. While vaping does not affect the lungs like a cigarette, it does have some affect. As a smoker who has struggled with quitting all of my life, I strive to want only air in my lungs one day. To see an adult, who no longer experiences adolescent peer pressure make a conscious decision to introduce something to their lungs is mind-boggling to me. Snus would do the same thing for you and would be more convenient. Simply taking the liquid you bought and ingesting it by mouth would also be easier I would think.
Don't get me wrong, I am not "judging", to each their own I say, I am just trying to understand.
Your observation on the rats is interesting as well. It may actually explain why many vapors reduce their nicotine intake over time as well as unknowingly do it by vaping less.
I do find your method of introducing nicotine to your body a little odd though. While vaping does not affect the lungs like a cigarette, it does have some affect. As a smoker who has struggled with quitting all of my life, I strive to want only air in my lungs one day. To see an adult, who no longer experiences adolescent peer pressure make a conscious decision to introduce something to their lungs is mind-boggling to me. Snus would do the same thing for you and would be more convenient. Simply taking the liquid you bought and ingesting it by mouth would also be easier I would think.
Don't get me wrong, I am not "judging", to each their own I say, I am just trying to understand.
Welcome back. I hoped you would come back and comment about any withdrawal symptoms and you've answered the way my reading of the science predicts, no withdrawal symptoms. The reason why the topic is important is because there is a claim that nicotine is "highly" addictive and therefore children must be kept away from it at all times at all costs. Denying access to kids trying to avoid or quit smoking is a bad idea if nicotine is as harmless as we believe.
Your academic credetials plus first hand experience as a never smoker who is using nicotine seems about perfect for an essay or blog about your one man experiment flesed out with the research you've found that is relevent to your experience. Those of us who are politically active on e-cig issues would love to have a link to what you should be able to write on this topic.
I believe parents should be the ones to decide if their kids can possess e-cigs off school property. The crucial issue seems to be nicotine addiction. If that one can be demolished it's a good thing for kids. No kid should be required by law to wait until he's 18 to quit smoking.
P.S. I corresponded with a never smoker who started vaping in hopes that the flavors would curb his appetite. He couldn't report positive results about that but he said he experienced zero withdrawal symptoms.
Your academic credetials plus first hand experience as a never smoker who is using nicotine seems about perfect for an essay or blog about your one man experiment flesed out with the research you've found that is relevent to your experience. Those of us who are politically active on e-cig issues would love to have a link to what you should be able to write on this topic.
I believe parents should be the ones to decide if their kids can possess e-cigs off school property. The crucial issue seems to be nicotine addiction. If that one can be demolished it's a good thing for kids. No kid should be required by law to wait until he's 18 to quit smoking.
P.S. I corresponded with a never smoker who started vaping in hopes that the flavors would curb his appetite. He couldn't report positive results about that but he said he experienced zero withdrawal symptoms.
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Oh crap! I smoked for 40+ years and still suffer from CRS! I quit the cigs 6 months ago when I started vaping 18 mg juice and my wife would tell you my CRS has certainly not improved. It scares the bejeebers out of me where the CRS might be if I gave up nic altogether! Uh, where was I going with this?????
Oh, yeah! And the essential tremors are still becoming more bothersome.....and now I have to give up eating peas!
mix them into your mashed potatoes.... it works for me
You have to have 5 posts in to upload, and I'm pretty sure it's only for pics not zip files - too much chance of nasty characters uploading dodgy stuff. Once you get your 5 posts in though you'll be able to post links if you can upload it elsewhere. And welcome - an interesting story you've told. I look forward to hearing more.
Yes, but, apparently, until I get access to post a zip file, I can't answer the question is a few short sentences
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While I agree with you, there hasn't been (and with reasonable predictability) there will not be any studies done on persons under 18 yrs. The learning studies with animals suggest that it might actually be reasonable to introduce young people to nicotine, but without any kind of scientific information on the effects of nicotine in young humans, it probably should be avoided
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", is nicotine used in any type of typical treatment or medication, other than addiction?"
yes, this is the most convincing article I've found that is a quick read.
Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's | Tampa Bay Times
yes, this is the most convincing article I've found that is a quick read.
Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's | Tampa Bay Times
Now that I have achieved the requisite 5 posts I'll try to remember to post the zip file on Monday when I am in my office at school. Just hope I vape before I get to school
I started vaping to help my anxiety. It helps to relax me both physically and mentally. The euphoria did wear off and now I find it makes me sleepy after a while but does wonders for my anxiety. I used to really struggle with my muscles tightening due to anxiety to the severe extent of causing my face to pull to one side like a stroke during panic attacks. Since vaping I haven't had a single panic attack and no more facial pulling due to anxiety. I used to have several a week to the point it would affect my vision in the eye on which the facial pulling occurred. I was looking at possibly having to get a service dog. I had bad reactions to most pharmaceuticals I tried but since I picked up vaping I haven't had the anxiety.
and now I find it makes me sleepy after a while but does wonders for my anxiety. I used to really struggle with my muscles tightening due to anxiety to the severe extent of causing my face to pull to one side like a stroke during panic attacks. Since vaping I haven't had a single panic attack and no more facial pulling due to anxiety. I used to have several a week to the point it would affect my vision in the eye on which the facial pulling occurred. I was looking at possibly having to get a service dog. I had bad reactions to most pharmaceuticals I tried but since I picked up vaping I haven't had the anxiety.
Ps. I am not addicted to vaping any more than I am to coffee. I might get a little cranky without it because I want to but if I left my ecig at home for the day I wouldn't go nuts. And no I was never a smoker. Not even one cig.
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That there were no withdrawal symptoms doesn't surprise me since there is no scientifically validated reason to believe that one should suspect withdrawal symptoms from removal if nicotine. I an intrigued, however, in the flavor --> appetite reduction hypothesis. Since the reasonable conclusion from evaluation of the scientific evidence would suggest that overeating results from the same habit formation structure as 'addiction to smoking' (i.e., the smoking habit is similar to the overeating habit, hence 'smoking addiction' being equivalent to 'food addiction'), in some weird way your friend may be on the right track (i.e., substitution of nicotine ingestion as a surrogate for eating). I got my start in neuroscience research looking at brain mechanisms involved in feeding and energy balance and learning. From that perspective, it makes a lot of sense that habit strength can be reduced from a substitution of one unconditioned stimulus for another one that is much less likely to produce bodily harm (assuming that he is healthy other than as an over eater). I suggest that your friend continue to try to achieve the habit substitution. It is worth a try and it does have a reasonable degree of construct validity (i.e., over eating is a habit and smoking is a habit, substitution of eating with vaping [as a surrogate for smoking] in accordance with the Rescorla-Wagner model of classical conditioning would predict that your friend's expectancy of a positive outcome through vaping should yield positive results in that eating reduction should occur as the nicotine unconditioned stimulus gains more valence in comparison to the eating unconditioned stimulus) Hey, I couldn't resist that given that I gave the Rescorla-Wagner lecture last Thursday in my Psychology of Learning class
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I started vaping to help my anxiety. It helps to relax me both physically and mentally. The euphoria did wear off
I looked into the scientific literature on nicotine and sleep and didn't find any references that might corroborate my statement about nicotine and sleep in my OP. However, yours is another testimonial (even though it may well be a placebo effect) that nicotine doesn't necessarily disrupt sleep, and may even enhance it. Remember, placebos can have powerful 'real' effects. However, the anxiolytic capacities of, presumably, nicotine are pretty well documented, especially in long-time smokers. If it is working for you, GREAT!
Yea I find my sleep is much sounder and I don't have the racing thoughts that would keep me up all night. I fall right to sleep.
From my own experience and from the scientific literature, nicotine introduction in a 'virgin' seriously screws with balance until tolerance to those effects is achieved. My wife could readily tell when I started vaping, at first, because of my somewhat uncoordinated gate. It's been a couple months now and I show no such effects (and my wife no longer notices). Also, there is a pretty good amount of evidence that nicotine can enhance motor performance (i.e., even to the degree that banning its use comes up occasionally in professional sports). Animal studies demonstrate that nicotine improves performance on 'plus-maze' tasks, and decreases latency to achieve reinforcement on tasks that involve complex motor coordination and dexterity. So, yes. Nicotine can probably make a difference.
I'm starting to think that this sleep effect may be especially pronounced in 'racing thoughts' insomniacs, which I am one.
So many kids are already vaping that a survey might be sufficient. In Micigan, where I live, it is legal for minors to buy and posess vaping gear. Survey's are asking kids if they tried e-cigs but not asking if they are becoming habitual users or for how long. There seems to be some science that finds that 50% of kids who try cigarettes become habitual users. The percentage for e-cig use by kids who never smoked should be much lower. Or why not ask some kids who are using but never smoked to stop using for some days an ask them to report withdrawal symptoms if any? I don't see any ethical issues when possession is legal and there are already users and the experiment requests abstinance, not the reverse.
Then start out by experimenting on yourself, get some flavored e liquid (my preferences are coffee and chocolate). The flavors can be very intense. I've seen other reports of people who believe vaping flavors curbs their appetite. There are going to be a bunch of people in this forum who will have perceptions about it. I've never had a weight problem but I think vaping curbs my appetite somewhat. I know I'm a lot more comfortable with hunger pangs if I'm vaping but I can't say whether that reduced my calories enough to create a weight losing deficit over time.
The most important thing flavors do is make cigarette smoke taste awful which is a crucial part of using vaping to quit smoking, protect against relapsing, and almost certainly discourages kids who start with vaping and then try smoking.
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