Vaping nicotine as a never-smoker, why not?
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IOW they turned it over to BT, who controls the market they allow. It's not so much about Nanny's as money
Haven't read anything but the first post but yes, I believe nicotine is good (the benefits out weight the con's)
My doctor even suggested that I should up my nic to deal with my ADHD, I vape 18mg on an RDA at .2ohms on a squonker and don't plan to go down
Love my nic and caffeine
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Even worse.. It's really disgusting how easily and far lobbying and slipping cash to the right people can go in making governments make rules way against their people's best interest.
I'm not really sure what sort of insanity is going on in the countries that have banned e-cigs... I do know that in the US, they won't be banned, because they are far too lucrative a money-source for that -- our gov't would NEVER miss a chance to gouge some more money out of its citizens -- it could be killing 3 toddlers a week and if it still made money, the US wouldn't ban it. Take that to the BANK!
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There's a lot of "do as I say, not as I do" floating around in here, and that's just sad.
Folks with similar interests should work together not against each other. The more vapers that stand together the stronger the movement is. Sorry I'm not good enough to be able to stand united with you, having never been a smoker. I'd be willing to bet when legislation comes down you'll be asking for my help then...
Fortunately that incredibly hypocritical view is only shared by a few, which is hilarious that the few hypocrites view everyone else as a "lunatic fringe."
Folks with similar interests should work together not against each other. The more vapers that stand together the stronger the movement is. Sorry I'm not good enough to be able to stand united with you, having never been a smoker. I'd be willing to bet when legislation comes down you'll be asking for my help then...
Fortunately that incredibly hypocritical view is only shared by a few, which is hilarious that the few hypocrites view everyone else as a "lunatic fringe."
Many things affect blood pressure. Even genetics. Coping out one thing is crazy. Change your diet. Diet and genetics play a bigger role. The evil smoking trend is what ticks me off.
Trying to equate nicotine as the evil smoking component is ludicrious. I would rather point out the arsenic in cigarettes. You may feel free to choose any one of the other 4000 to 6000 component of a smoke.
I will however agree that there is no long term studies on vaping. That should not take away from my desire or choice to vape nicotine laced pg/vg or any other competent human being choice.
So previously I posted about my emotional reaction to never smokers vaping nicotine in context of if it were my daughter. And I stand by my sentiment that I simply don't want to see anyone pick up any unnecessary dependency or habit whether it's addiction or lifestyle.
But the bottom line for me is, we should each be free to make our own decisions. We currently do not have the hindsight of an entire generation of never smokers vaping nicotine to have conclusive data either way. We have conclusions based on the best science available today but we don't have hard evidence. And looking back in history there are many examples of initial suppositions being proved otherwise after being able to look at a generation following a practice.
So we don't really know, and most of us won't still be here by the time we do. So what's to argue about? Everyone can only do the best for themselves with the best data currently available. If you think never smokers vaping nicotine reduce your rights, get involved. Be an activist, help form legislation. If you think it's simply stupid from a health standpoint, try to influence the young people in your life. If you think it's awesome, go for it and accept that some people will judge you and shrug it off.
There is no choice in life you can make, no position in life you can take, that someone else isn't willing to argue to the death about. So do you.
Cheese and crackers. I have purple hair and on the daily someone wants to argue it. They think the dye and bleach is unhealthy, that at my age it shows poor judgement, that I must be lying about having gainful employment where I am well regarded. Over hair. So with vaping it is so much more. No side will win. Everyone is convinced they are right. So just do you.
But the bottom line for me is, we should each be free to make our own decisions. We currently do not have the hindsight of an entire generation of never smokers vaping nicotine to have conclusive data either way. We have conclusions based on the best science available today but we don't have hard evidence. And looking back in history there are many examples of initial suppositions being proved otherwise after being able to look at a generation following a practice.
So we don't really know, and most of us won't still be here by the time we do. So what's to argue about? Everyone can only do the best for themselves with the best data currently available. If you think never smokers vaping nicotine reduce your rights, get involved. Be an activist, help form legislation. If you think it's simply stupid from a health standpoint, try to influence the young people in your life. If you think it's awesome, go for it and accept that some people will judge you and shrug it off.
There is no choice in life you can make, no position in life you can take, that someone else isn't willing to argue to the death about. So do you.
Cheese and crackers. I have purple hair and on the daily someone wants to argue it. They think the dye and bleach is unhealthy, that at my age it shows poor judgement, that I must be lying about having gainful employment where I am well regarded. Over hair. So with vaping it is so much more. No side will win. Everyone is convinced they are right. So just do you.
Mine was pretty much opposite. When I first switched to vaping I had been borderline on my test. Doc did not seem worried. My dad side of the family does have high blood pressure running all over it. So it didn't surprise me. I was also working 70 hour work weeks with a high stress load.
After a year of vaping the doc said my blood pressure wads down. Of course I wasn't working 70 hours at the time.
I haven't been back in a year and a half. The dreaded 50 year test is scaring the beezebuz out of me.
Someone wondered why their blood pressure is elevated when they vape. Nicotine raises blood pressure...
https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/sites/default/files/documents/harm-reduction-nicotine-addiction.pdf
Nicotine Itself Isn't The Real Villain - Forbes
Posting these here to read (for those that would like to), not necessarily to say "yo, look what I believe!" So if anyone wants to debate the contents, we can do that, but I am not an author of any of this. I am reading through it myself and it's so far (both links) are a good read.
Nicotine Itself Isn't The Real Villain - Forbes
Posting these here to read (for those that would like to), not necessarily to say "yo, look what I believe!" So if anyone wants to debate the contents, we can do that, but I am not an author of any of this. I am reading through it myself and it's so far (both links) are a good read.
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I respectfully disagree...
Yes, there is money to be made from vaping. However, it's much more lucrative for the government to maintain the status quo, or to paraphrase Dimitris the VapinGreek, the industry based on death.
Two of the biggest lobbies in the US are Tobacco and Pharma. They provide billions to the government in terms of tax revenues, as well as campaign contributions, kick-backs, etc. Both are heavily against the current vaping norm; Tobacco for obvious reasons, Pharma because they earn billions of dollars up front on smoking cessation medications (which typically don't work very well), and billions more on the back end, treating those with cancer, emphysema, and all of the other health issues caused by traditional cigarette smoking.
The worst part is THEY'RE ALREADY WINNING. Look at Indiana, and look at what happened to the vape expo in New Jersey. They have deep pockets, and can afford to keep the fight going for a long time. They have the savvy to pick of cities and states, one by one, so that by the time it reaches the federal level, it won't even matter anymore.
Sorry to hi-jack, I know I'm way off topic...
Interesting...
As per your second link
Although nicotine is an addictive substance, e-cigarette vapor appears to be less addictive than cigarette smoke.
Less addictive doesn't mean not addictive, as the activists profess. Add in the act of vaping, and I stand by my premise that e-cigs are addictive to many vapers...
I store mine is the freezer. As I understand nicotine degrades over time but then is lengthened by dark storage, airtight and cold. My high pgs never freeze and the high vgs just get thinker but does not freeze. Room temperature sets them all normal. Considering my base is all almost a year old I may be vaping lesser nic. Honestly I don't notice.
The last I read people have said 2 years in the freezer. I have not kept up on it because I am happy with my selection of storage but I believe the diy section may have the updated answers.
As do other things in life. We experience life in many different forms and fashions. Some raise bp in some but not others.
I realize that was his question. When quitting smoking a body goes through drastic changes. Merely stating nicotine raises bp diminishes the rest of the body. Nicotine is metabolized through the body pretty quickly. The chemicals in smokes all play a role in perfecting the quickness and length that the nicotine stays. One cannot leave that out.
One would also need to state how much nicotine does it take? Will eating a tomato raise you bp. It contains nicotine.
Like some stated.. delivery of the nicotine is important.
Back to the vegetable and nicotine myth... It is like 200 lbs, or something crazy like that, of tomatoes to get the same nicotine from 1 ml of 2.4% e-liquid...
Most vapers in America are overweight, so it stands to reason they probably aren't in the greatest cardiovascular health to begin with...
Okay, so are you saying you agree with that article? If so, then you admit that the nicotine consumption between the two are not equal? And if you are so quick to feel that article validates your stance, I recommend you keep reading.
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I'll admit that the article does say that, but the thesis of the article is that nicotine, in and of itself, is ultimately of no real health concern and actually of benefit, thus making your platform rather unstable. So yeah, you got your "addictive" comment, and I got my:
"Nicotine is a mild stimulant and poses negligible risks in healthy people. It enhances the performance of some tasks, especially those involving vigilance and rapid visual cue processing. It can also sharpen memory, concentration and attention in the short term...."
"As a result, researchers can be far more definitive when they conclude that gum, patches, lozenges, inhalers, and sprays – all of which contain medicinal nicotine — are not carcinogenic and do not increase the risk of heart attack or stroke, even in people with pre-existing cardiac disease...."
"In his interview with Nocera, Zeller said that 'when nicotine is attached to smoke particles, it will kill.' Conversely, when there is no smoke, nicotine alone will be far safer, even a net benefit...."
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