Vaping superiority?

[NealBJr]

That'll work........
Untill he realizes that the size of the straw from his McDonalds #1 combo is the same diameter of the cigarette... and having a cigarette at the end of a straw stuck through the cage works well.

Sounds strange, but some ppl might just do that. To me, you have to figure out why that person is not motivated to quit. He has four reasons for quitting beside him. I have three, reasons, and that is why I vape instead of smoke now.

 

[smacuser]

Never tried that.

 

[NealBJr]

Addiction is clearly more complex than just biochemical, with a significant psychological aspect. There is is quite a lot of evidence that there are some powerful synergistic relationships occurring when nicotine is delivered by tobacco smoke. I'm sure the tobacco companies have a deep understanding of this.

It's quite possible that nicotine delivered by ecigs is no more addictive than a cup of tea. Having said that I've tried not vaping for a few hours and let me tell you I was feeling pretty uncomfortable. This could either be the psychological aspects of addiction at play, or it could be that I am an ex-smoker.
Nicotine is a toxin and I'm sure we are not supposed to be inhaling it. The plants manufacture it must be really ...... off that their evolutionary strategy to stop us from consuming them has failed so miserably.

As I've dropped my nicotine levels to next to nothing, it has had almost no effect on my vaping satisfaction. I have found that the factors that really count are the visual and physical ones, like throat hit and a big ol' plume of vapor that give the sense of satisfaction. It's only when I have tired zero nic that I've started clucking, and that to me suggests it's my mind at work rather than my body.

Addiction is indeed a complex thing. I feel the word "addiction" or "addicted" is a blanket statement that has many facets. I personally believe that addiction should fall under three categories.... Mental, Physical, and both.

Mental addiction is a substance that is abused repetitively, but has no Physical addictive qualities. For example, people are addicted to gambling, sex, baby powder, their car, etc... Here's a video on three strange addictions.

Physical addictions are when you're addicted to a substance so much, that it actually affects the body to the point where the body stops producing that substance naturally. The result, is continued abuse because...well.. the body doesn't make it. I personally think Diabetes is a form of addiction that has caused an irreversible change int he body to require insulin... I am not alone is.

The worst type of addiction is both mental and physical. This is where Nicotine and many illegal drugs come into play. It is well known that nicotine in plants increases the dopamine production. This is the "satsifaction" you get from smoking. After a while, your body produces less dopamine naturally, and thus you smoke to wake you up, go to bed, and after meals and everywhere in between. It is technically a physical addiction, but the physical part is the brain. You essentially "re-write" part of your brain to crave it... like after meals, since that is when you are used to having it. So even if you do decide to go on the patch, you're fulfilling the physical part of the addiction, but not the mental part, since it "re-wrote" your needs in the brain. That is why vaping works so well... it satisfies both without the negative effects of tar buildup in the lungs.

[End of my post, but below is a story to relate to]

My mother in law was addicted to Cigarettes. After 50+ years of smoking, it began to take it's toll. She now has COPD. Since I've known her, she has tried several methods..... Wtih hypnotherapy, she would always relapse back very quickly. The patch did nothing to her... she would continue to smoke with the patch on. I suggest vaping as a way to quit, and she tried...but she went back to smoking a month later after she quit vaping. This last try, she did Chantix again. However, instead of relapsing back, I suggested an EGO/CE4 setup wtih zero nicotine in the juice. She hasn't smoked in over 5 years, and is always with her vape.. .and still at zero nic.

 

[NealBJr]

Its completely pointless to try to educate a person about vaping if they don't want to understand, I've tried believe me.
Because of all the hype in the press etcetera people will form their own opinions and you always get the hard core that think they know best, for instance, try explaining what e juice is made with, especially diy, they just won't believe you because they don't want to

Yea, we have someone in the meat department.... He says the "robot D" thing. He smokes... and when I suggested vaping, he said "heck no... I'd rather take something I know about instead of something with chemicals in it".... My internal facepalm was in it's glory when I heard that.

 

[NealBJr]

A lot of people assume you are a druggie because of vaping, I have had experience of this, before the lockdown I used to go to a pub near where I live that allowed vaping and this woman said let's sit over there cause he is on drugs, now I practice stealth vaping and only vape in public when no one is around, stay safe

I have always been open about my vaping. I have always been respectful when vaping. But I also had three drug tests in the two years after I started vaping. Our work has a "random drug test" that happens occasionally. Of course, we all realize It's when they suspect one person, so they tag on four other people and call that "random". In the 12 years I have been working there, I have been tested four times... Once during hiring, and the three after I started vaping. I haven't been tested in years since, but I believe that manager thought I should be tested. Also, as a comparison, someone else has been working with the company for 30 years.. and I think she's been tested 3 times.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

One of my friend on the other forum I visit said he had used vaping to quit cigarette,weed,cigar and shisha,it’s just so dam effective?
Last year when I was using Vape continuously for 6 month,my then gf suspected that I was high on .......,which I know I am not myself...

Dunno why you would add a bunch of weird ingredients. This big four: Nic, PG, VG, and flavour, are enough for me. It's not going to help you kick anything except tobacco unless the placebo effect is involved.

 

[Mobc1990]

Dunno why you would add a bunch of weird ingredients. This big four: Nic, PG, VG, and flavour, are enough for me. It's not going to help you kick anything except tobacco unless the placebo effect is involved.

Never add anything.Only eliquid,contain pg,big,nicotine and flavouring.Read

 

[dripster]

Addiction is indeed a complex thing. I feel the word "addiction" or "addicted" is a blanket statement that has many facets. I personally believe that addiction should fall under three categories.... Mental, Physical, and both.

Mental addiction is a substance that is abused repetitively, but has no Physical addictive qualities. For example, people are addicted to gambling, sex, baby powder, their car, etc... Here's a video on three strange addictions.

Physical addictions are when you're addicted to a substance so much, that it actually affects the body to the point where the body stops producing that substance naturally. The result, is continued abuse because...well.. the body doesn't make it. I personally think Diabetes is a form of addiction that has caused an irreversible change int he body to require insulin... I am not alone is.

The worst type of addiction is both mental and physical. This is where Nicotine and many illegal drugs come into play. It is well known that nicotine in plants increases the dopamine production. This is the "satsifaction" you get from smoking. After a while, your body produces less dopamine naturally, and thus you smoke to wake you up, go to bed, and after meals and everywhere in between. It is technically a physical addiction, but the physical part is the brain. You essentially "re-write" part of your brain to crave it... like after meals, since that is when you are used to having it. So even if you do decide to go on the patch, you're fulfilling the physical part of the addiction, but not the mental part, since it "re-wrote" your needs in the brain. That is why vaping works so well... it satisfies both without the negative effects of tar buildup in the lungs.

[End of my post, but below is a story to relate to]

My mother in law was addicted to Cigarettes. After 50+ years of smoking, it began to take it's toll. She now has COPD. Since I've known her, she has tried several methods..... Wtih hypnotherapy, she would always relapse back very quickly. The patch did nothing to her... she would continue to smoke with the patch on. I suggest vaping as a way to quit, and she tried...but she went back to smoking a month later after she quit vaping. This last try, she did Chantix again. However, instead of relapsing back, I suggested an EGO/CE4 setup wtih zero nicotine in the juice. She hasn't smoked in over 5 years, and is always with her vape.. .and still at zero nic.

To think of diabetes as a form of addiction is the farthest stretch.

 

[stols001]

Dripster do yourself a favor and let this one go wouldja?

You sit around proclaiming you "know" an addicts thought processes immediately after admitting you have no idea and have never been addicted.

Just knock it off, or better yet go to an Al-anon meeting or infinity.

Stop it, Just STOP. Otherwise you are gonna marry an addict with a personality disorder and that is the WORST.

I want you to know I am being very kind in this post.

Anna

 

[CMD-Ky]

Dripster do yourself a favor and let this one go wouldja?

You sit around proclaiming you "know" an addicts thought processes immediately after admitting you have no idea and have never been addicted.

Just knock it off, or better yet go to an Al-anon meeting or infinity.

Stop it, Just STOP. Otherwise you are gonna marry an addict with a personality disorder and that is the WORST.

I want you to know I am being very kind in this post.

Anna

I don't whether to laugh out loud or agree totally. Either way, winning post. The thread seems to have run its course.

 

[NealBJr]

To think of diabetes as a form of addiction is the farthest stretch.

Diabetes is a result of an addiction... the physical result of years of abusing sugar type products. It causes a physical dependency on insulin. Diabetes can occur naturally, but for the majority of users, it is due to an abuse of eating items that contribute to an abundance of sugar in the blood and overweight..... Again, it is hard to conceptualize, and I am not the only one who thinks this way. But when you start understanding WHAT addiction is and how complicated the matter is, you can start to understand. It's not as simple as *take product A, use it, and become addicted to A, then get off of product A and he is all better".... addiction isn't that simple and easy.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Diabetes is a result of an addiction... the physical result of years of abusing sugar type products. It causes a physical dependency on insulin. Diabetes can occur naturally, but for the majority of users, it is due to an abuse of eating items that contribute to an abundance of sugar in the blood and overweight..... Again, it is hard to conceptualize, and I am not the only one who thinks this way. But when you start understanding WHAT addiction is and how complicated the matter is, you can start to understand. It's not as simple as *take product A, use it, and become addicted to A, then get off of product A and he is all better".... addiction isn't that simple and easy.

Kin I get me a chek fer that 'diction?

 

[NealBJr]

Dunno why you would add a bunch of weird ingredients. This big four: Nic, PG, VG, and flavour, are enough for me. It's not going to help you kick anything except tobacco unless the placebo effect is involved.

I was talking on my company's reddit, and I mentioned the Placebo effect as a cause for something, and it got so many downvotes. Very few people actually believe in the Placebo effect.

 

[NealBJr]

Kin I get me a chek fer that 'diction?

Type 2 Diabetes An Addiction?....the first link that came up.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I was talking on my company's reddit, and I mentioned the Placebo effect as a cause for something, and it got so many downvotes. Very few people actually believe in the Placebo effect.

I am the poster old man for the placebo effect. I know it is real.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Type 2 Diabetes An Addiction?....the first link that came up.

Get it in the DSM, some one wants to bill for treatment. Color me a skeptic, not a scoffer, but definitely a skeptic. I am particularly skeptical when "studies suggest" and then fail to tell us how much sugar per day per kilo of body weight these animals received or what else they were given to consume. It reminds me of the cyclamate studies that got it banned on 1970.

 

[stols001]

OMG I am the CHAMPION of the placebo effect, harnessing one's own body to heal with zero SIDE EFFECTS. It's the bomb and I use it whenever I can.

I also believe you need to really LOVE and TRUST your medical provider. Medicine can be so different depending on which hand it is dispensed from.

I firmly believe this may be the reason some doctors are better than others and it may have little to do with diagnostic skill ALTHOUGH it also helps if what your doc prescribes is like, legit. I mean, there are limits to the above theory.

Anna

 

[dripster]

Diabetes is a result of an addiction... the physical result of years of abusing sugar type products. It causes a physical dependency on insulin. Diabetes can occur naturally, but for the majority of users, it is due to an abuse of eating items that contribute to an abundance of sugar in the blood and overweight..... Again, it is hard to conceptualize, and I am not the only one who thinks this way. But when you start understanding WHAT addiction is and how complicated the matter is, you can start to understand. It's not as simple as *take product A, use it, and become addicted to A, then get off of product A and he is all better".... addiction isn't that simple and easy.

Diabetes is NOT a result of an addiction. I happen to be diabetic myself, and, I know being an addict increases the risk of becoming diabetic. I have been addicted to smoking. I understand what addiction is, what the thought process of an addict is like. I understand it enough to know that every physical addiction is also a mental addiction, which means that every addiction that isn't a physical addiction MUST therefore be categorized under "mental addiction". There simply aren't three different types. I got very close to becoming mentally addicted when I was younger. I know the thought process, and in fact knowing the thought process is how I was able to keep myself from going in too far. I know the difference between the two types of addiction. Having had long, deep conversations with various addicts for years while I was still sober enough to be able to understand and learn from them and doing a lot of reading about this particular subject is how I managed to put most of the pieces together. I don't claim to be an expert, nor claim to have all the answers. I just happen to know a lot of things. Case in point: where in this thread did I claim that addiction is simple and easy? Enough said.

 

[Ryedan]

OMG I am the CHAMPION of the placebo effect, harnessing one's own body to heal with zero SIDE EFFECTS. It's the bomb and I use it whenever I can.

I was going to post very much along the same line as you did here Anna. IMO if someone can benefit from a treatment that has no potentially negative side effects, that's a win all the way.

Now, if I could just get it to work on me

 

[NealBJr]

Diabetes is NOT a result of an addiction. I happen to be diabetic myself, and, I know being an addict increases the risk of becoming diabetic. I have been addicted to smoking. I understand what addiction is, what the thought process of an addict is like. I understand it enough to know that every physical addiction is also a mental addiction, which means that every addiction that isn't a physical addiction MUST therefore be categorized under "mental addiction". There simply aren't three different types. I got very close to becoming mentally addicted when I was younger. I know the thought process, and in fact knowing the thought process is how I was able to keep myself from going in too far. I know the difference between the two types of addiction. Having had long, deep conversations with various addicts for years while I was still sober enough to be able to understand and learn from them and doing a lot of reading about this particular subject is how I managed to put most of the pieces together. I don't claim to be an expert, nor claim to have all the answers. I just happen to know a lot of things. Case in point: where in this thread did I claim that addiction is simple and easy? Enough said.

...then if you are a diabetic.....why didn't you just cut down on the amount of sugar intake... it's that simple...right? When you were Pre-diabetic....Did you cut down then? No, you let it get to full grown diabetes.

Sometimes you are an addict and don't realize it. Just because the substance is considered safe, natural, and non habit forming does not mean you cannot get addicted to it. Also, denial beyond proof is a true form of addiction.