Vapor cloud = better vaping?

[Preloader]

If I witness this happening at my B&M, I do my best to quietly acknowledge to my customers that THAT isn't what vaping is about. THAT is a hobbyist having fun. YOU'RE just wanting to quit smoking, and it works. You don't need THAT for this to work...

I shouldn't say they are ALL like that. But it seems like a majority. As a noob, the most helpful least condescending response I got was:

"Start simple, and spend lots of time doing research and reading reviews before you start spending bigger money on impressive hardware."

Did I listen? Nope. But I still respect that answer more than any other I have gotten.

 

[ScandaLeX]

I want flavor and clouds of vapor--in that order.
I am not interested in any kind of throat hit because it makes me cough.

I cant lie--the HUGE cloud of vapor is a LOT of fun to me.
The devil in me gets a kick out of people looking at me like I'm doing something I shouldn't be doing UNTIL they want to do it too.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I've never enjoyed a "real" cigar, a la the one you mentioned, but I do know what you're talking about. Although this isn't quite exactly the point I was making.

Those sub-ohm coil RSST vapers love their clouds, but at the expense of their wallet. All that cloud = juice. Whenever I bust out my bottle of Honey Pearry to refill my carto tank, the RSST'ers mumble/grumble. Ain't my fault, yo.

It seems that most people against clouds, and talking of wasted juice, have never enjoyed a good cigar. I dare anyone to sit and inhale one of my Monte Cristos, but they have a flavor that is only described as "perfect." They will also put you in nic overload if you are not careful, and that is without inhaling. Is the smoke wasted? Nope.

I haven't had a cigar since I started vaping. I still intend to have one on the rare occasion. But I vape in a similar fashion to smoking a cigar- not all of the vapor is inhaled. This maximizes flavor, provides a moderate level of TH, and produces clouds.

 

[Preloader]

There is a lot of talk of flavor over façade here. Are we talking flavor strength or flavor quality? I have a few TV juices that have too much flavor. The quality is just fine, but the thick strength is overbearing and I tap out of the ring after only a couple draws.

I tend to like the subtle strengths. I couldn't AllDayVape a strong flavor, regardless of cloud size. But I hear people knocking juice vendors for having weak flavor strength.

 

[CommaHolly]

There is a lot of talk of flavor over façade here. Are we talking flavor strength or flavor quality? I have a few TV juices that have too much flavor. The quality is just fine, but the thick strength is overbearing and I tap out of the ring after only a couple draws.

I tend to like the subtle strengths. I couldn't AllDayVape a strong flavor, regardless of cloud size. But I hear people knocking juice vendors for having weak flavor strength.

I'm the opposite,,,,,,,,I like to really TASTE my juices, and tend to DIY at 14-20%

hence the reason DIY is wonderful LOL

 

[dr g]

Visible vapor/clouds of some type are part of vaping. The amount is a personal choice but the point is NOT only to provide nicotine. Otherwise the gum, patch or inhaler would work just as well.

Part of the enjoyment of tobacco is the smoke and part of the enjoyment of vaping is the vapor.

Also FYI visible clouds are mostly water vapor, drawn from you and the environment.

 

[Rocketpunk]

While I appreciate the DIY'ers ethics and skills, I also think hanging it over other people's heads can be a little off-putting, as well. I pay people money because I like their juice, I can get their juice, and I can help fund a flavor mixologist, one who is far better than I will ever be. If it came down to the apocalypse, I'd learn to DIY. But I will never, ever be able to recreate my favorite vendor's flavors.

In the meantime, enjoy your own juices while I choose to enjoy mine.

 

[grandmato5]

I was content until it all made sense..
I agree to disagree, once you go obnoxious its hard to vape anything else.. Flavors th, and nic delivery explode

The thing is, it didn't explode for me. Those huge clouds don't improve my vaping experience. I'm perfectly fine that it did for you as long as you're doing it safely Like I said before, we all have different preferences and THAT is what makes vaping work for so many of us. IF we all only had ONE way to vape, whatever that way was, there would be a whole lot less veteran vapors

Enjoy your clouds

 

[Preloader]

If I had a lack of DIY hobbies I would love to learn to mix my own juice. Hell, I wish I could find the time to play video games like most of my middle aged friends But I'm pre consumed with DIY drag-racing and home repair. Both of which were heavily smoking associated. The act of vaping itself is almost a full time hobby already.

That may have sounded polarized against DIY mixers, but I don't mean it that way, just defending why it may not be a realistic choice for some of us.

Edit: my first and foremost DIY hobby

 

[SissySpike]

Lets turn it around maybe Im to young cause I enjoy tweaking my atts getting the best clouds and flavor I possibly can from them. I mean why would you settle for a little when you can have alot why short change your self?

Do you want a road side diner frozen flavorless chicken fried steak , or a big ol fat Texas Land and Cattle T Bone So big and juicy your full after half but you eat it all any way cause its so good.

There is no right answer both sides can spin it to make the other look undesirable but if your happy why do you care what makes the next guy happy?

 

[Mohamed]

I think the vapor is more of a psychological aspect...you still feel like you are smoking. I struggled with gum and the patch, etc; but while vaping I still feal like "I'm smoking". It's part of the hand and mouth oral fixation. You still get the "I'm exhaling something. Look I can blow rings etc." The more similar something is the easier it is to substitute for something else.

 

[CommaHolly]

While I appreciate the DIY'ers ethics and skills, I also think hanging it over other people's heads can be a little off-putting, as well. I pay people money because I like their juice, I can get their juice, and I can help fund a flavor mixologist, one who is far better than I will ever be. If it came down to the apocalypse, I'd learn to DIY. But I will never, ever be able to recreate my favorite vendor's flavors.

In the meantime, enjoy your own juices while I choose to enjoy mine.

I didn't mean you were wrong to support venders,,,,,I meant to speak for myself more than anything. My apologies.

 

[Penn]

Some of the more enjoyable threads here are the ones that draw the cloud chasers out in defense mode. The reason I enjoy it - It always brings to my mind the reaction of the kids in South Park to bikers with loud exhaust.

FYI - I used to be a biker but never bought into the whole loud pipes thing. The feeling of a leaning though a good bend doesn't change if it the bike is loud.

Also - that is not water vapor you are exhaling.

 

[ut1205]

The larger the vapor cloud that surrounds everyone in the room the more ammunition you have given to the "anti smoker - anti vapers".

 

[State Of Zen]

Excellent point. The new B&M vape shop by me has several cleros pre-filled so that people can sample flavors. They assemble the clearo onto a little 650 mAh Ego. The flavors come out quite well, and new vapors can see right away that they don't "need" the other gadgetry to vape pleasantly. They also don't push and upsell. I really like that shop. Great folks, honest, friendly and helpful to new vapers. I have sent several people their way, and will continue to do so.

It also helps to just not be a douche bag when vaping in public. I sit with the smokers, and don't blow the vape around families and kids. Courtesy is becoming a lost habit in our culture, in general.

This. I am fortunate enough to have a B&M whose staff aren't pushy to upsell nor make you feel inadequate if you have more basic equipment as well. Granted, in time I did upgrade, but that was my decision, not something I felt "shamed" into by a B&M staff member. I too, will refer people their way.

 

[SissySpike]

The larger the vapor cloud that surrounds everyone in the room the more ammunition you have given to the "anti smoker - anti vapers".

Not true many anti or ANTZ have never even seen a person vaping and have made up their minds you are lost and need to save you from your self.

The Self-righteousness and controlling do gooders do not need excuses to reign their wrath down upon you. They rise to power out of self justification to do good.

Hide and skulk if you will but that only gives them more power. The only way is to confront them head on and not allow them to have control over you.

 

[Rocketpunk]

I didn't mean you were wrong to support venders,,,,,I meant to speak for myself more than anything. My apologies.

S'all good in heyah.

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[Penn]

Not true many anti or ANTZ have never even seen a person vaping and have made up their minds you are lost and need to save you from your self.

The Self-righteousness and controlling do gooders do not need excuses to reign their wrath down upon you. They rise to power out of self justification to do good.

Hide and skulk if you will but that only gives them more power. The only way is to confront them head on and not allow them to have control over you.

He didn't say it is a reason for them to be anti. It's more ammunition to justify bans in public places.

 

[ScandaLeX]

As I continue to read this thread I feel the initial question has gotten lost.
What does clouds of vapor have to do with DIY'ers vs B&M stores?

Also, based on the original post, why would the amount of juice someone else uses or waste even be of any concern?

If I go through a 10ml bottle in a day that produced VERY LITTLE vapor vs a 10ml bottle that produced a LOT of vapor, the end result will be I'm down a 10ml bottle either way.

 

[ScottM]

It is possible to exhale clouds, and be polite. The antis' are going to be anti, regardless. COntrolling how you vape, where you vape, when you vape, or what you vape is their aim. Sounds like they controlling the how in some cases.